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Submitted by dmsnyder on March 1, 2008 - 8:00pm Cheese Pockets
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Cheese Pockets cooling When I was growing up, there was a Jewish bakery in town. It was quite excellent, and it really set my standard for Jewish breads and pastries. My favorite pastry was what they called "cheese pockets." I have found these in Jewish bakeries in L.A., and, in searching for recipes on the web, I found one on an Israeli food blog. http://momsrecipesandmore.blogspot.com/2007/06/bookmark-using-any-bookmark-manager_28.html. There, it is identified as Hungarian in origin. In Hungarian, they are called "Turos Taska." It turns out there is a similar Czech pastry, but all the links I could find were in Czech, which I don't read. I made the recipe I'd found a few months ago. I liked the filling, but the pastry just wasn't right. So, I described my memory of cheese pockets and asked our resident "Baker for over 25 years-----Ret," Norm (nbicomputers) if he had a formula that might resemble what I remembered. He generously responded in http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/6159/coffee-cake-yeast. Today, I undertook to make cheese pockets. I used Norm's formula for the dough and his procedure. I made a few substitutions because of the ingredients I had on hand with less than satisfactory results. To my good fortune, Norm was there for me, offering fixes and very gently explaining where I had gone wrong and exactly why. I highly recommend reading that topic to anyone who is still learning to bake better, which is, hopefully, everybody on this site! You can find a running account of my struggles and errors and how Norm bailed me out at http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/6195/hi-norm-please-look. Here is the formula and procedures: Cheese Pockets Coffee Cake Dough (Formula thanks to Norm) Other flavors can be added such as lemon or orange rind grated Note: Using other size eggs or other flours will result in substantial changes in the dough consistency require adjustments in flour or water amounts. Cheese Filling Mix all ingredients well. Refrigerate until needed, up to 24 hours. Egg Wash Streusel Topping 1. Cream the sugar and butter. Mixing and Fermenting the Dough Making up the Pastries Baking Note: The pastries can be refrigerated overnight or frozen at this point. If refrigerated, allow them to rise at room temperature to 3/4 double, and proceed as above. If frozen, thaw at room temperature, allow to rise to 3/4 double, and proceed as above. David
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wow..those look
wow..those look mouth-watering! Looking forward to the review/formula!
David, I was afraid to look
I knew you must have baked yet another great something and I would want to make it too. Those cheese pockets are gorgeous. I look forward to the recipe. I hope it's too hard and I won't want to try it : > ) weavershouse
Thanks, weavershouse!
This was an interesting
This was an interesting experince for me.
David was making my formula and his first try at a sweet yeast product. we were talking on this board back an forth during the whole baking process him on the west coast and me on the east. not only were we talking but as he was baking the formula so was I. we folowed each other step by step the thread is here
http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/6195/hi-norm-please-look
these are my picks i used sliced almonds and syryp wash on mine and there is a coffee cake that is still in the oven.
i will post them tomorow,
Pro Baker for over 25 years-----Ret
Cheese pockets in parallel
i formed them using the
i formed them using the method you outlind since i was trying to duplacate what you were doing.
make the pieces square and fold in the 4 corners to the center
they should get a big jump in the oven but i think this is what happened
1-you had to remix the dough which made it a bit tougher than it should be
2- under proof would cause even greater spring and would cause the opening effect that you saw becaus the dough has not relaxed anough and the gluten is still tight.
sweet doughs like this are rich and the final proof needs to be pushed (the yeast is realy working hard)
have seen sweet doughs just stop in their tracks during final proof. next time
mix with the padel untill about 95 percent of the dough is on the padle and only a few strands and very little dough is stuck to the bottom of the mixer bowl on a kitchen aid mixer set the speed between 2 and 4 . i know that there realy is no speed 3 on the home machine (at least mine)but you can set it between speeds.
the change will be quick, around the 7 minute mark the dough will sudenly (4 or 5 rotations) pull off the sides. that does not mean it is ready i will take about another 3 or 4 minutes for full gluten development
then force the final proof by putting the pastries in a VERY warm place about 95 degrees and 95 % humidity that will realy get the yeast working and the final proof before baking will be quick
unlike bread we do not have to worry about the stone temp so put in the oven a pan of just boiled water for steam and turn the oven on at 200 for 1 or two minutes to get the temp to about 100 and then turn it off and put the pastries in the oven to proof. when their almost 3/4 proof take them out to egg wash and top them
start the oven to 350 baking temp and let the pastries finish proof covered in the kitchen
dont allow anything to touch the top of the pastries because of the warm moist proof and the egg wash the tops will be sticky ( i find that fresh yeast is a little stronger than dry and will work better rich doughs like this, danish, babka and other rich doughs.
Pro Baker for over 25 years-----Ret
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Hi there, hi David,
I am absolutely new here and I've just read your discussion about the origin of cheese pockets and available recipes. Next time you come across a Czech recipe, don't hesitate to ask me I will translate it for you with pleasure.
We have quite a few similar sweet yeast breads/desserts in Czech and in general we call them 'koláče' pronounced 'kolaache' and I have something like twenty years of experience with them. These sweet breads can be found all over the Central European area including Germany (called Kolatsche or Kuchen)/Austria/Switzerland/Slovakia/Poland.
I'll try in return your cheese pockets recipe, it sounds familar, except the cardamon in the dough, but it is always about the rates. I'll let you know.
Regards and 'dobrou chuť', Jitka
Welcome!
Hi, Jitka.
Welcome to TFL!
Thank you for your message.
I have not made cheese pockets since these. They were my favorite pastry growing up. I have not found a recipe that made a dough like the one I remember, but I have little experience with enriched doughs.
The recipes I found for Czech cheese pastries all used cottage cheese. I am sure the ones I used to get were made with what we call "hoop cheese," which has almost no fat.
If you do make these, please let us know how they turn out.
You should introduce yourself to the general TFL group and tell us about your baking experience and interests.