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50% Wholewheat Community Bake - Danni’s version

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Danni3ll3

50% Wholewheat Community Bake - Danni’s version

 

I loved all the posts on the community bake and decided to join in on the fun with a few adaptations of course! ?Here is my version:

 

Diastatic Malt

4 Days before:

  1. Soak 1 cup of Selkirk wheat berries in filtered water for 6 hours. Drain and leave on the counter rinsing every 6-8 hours. 
  2. Twenty-four hours later, hubby announces that he accidentally smashed the jar with the sprouting berries. ? After I freaked out on him ? because I won’t have enough time now to make this diastatic malt (it is Wednesday and I need it for Saturday), he runs and gets me another cup of wheat berries. I decide to give it another shot and hope that by using a very warm spot, it will speed things along. I place the soaking berries in the oven with the light on and the door cracked open (this creates a temperature of around 82F). 
  3. After 6 hours, I drain them and put them back into the warm spot and continue rinsing every few hours. A minor miracle happens ??and 48 hours later, I have sprouted berries with green shoots by Friday morning. I then dried them in the oven using the lights again with the door occasionally cracked open to let the water vapor out. The oven is about 100F with the door closed and about 82F with the door held open with a wooden spoon. It took 24 hours for the berries to be rock hard.
  4. I milled them using my Komo mill on the finest setting. This took a bit as the rootlets and the shoots did not flow smoothly into the milling chamber. I had to help things along a bit by pushing the berries into the hole at the bottom of the hopper. I certainly hope that all of this hassle making this malt will be worth it!

 

Recipe:

Makes 3 boules

 

Starter:

60 g starter

30 g unbleached all purpose flour

70 g soaked bran (explanation in directions)

30 g water at 90F

 

Main dough:

559 g high extraction Selkirk wheat flour (explanation below)

292 g Rogers Bread Flour

266 g Rogers Unbleached No Additives All Purpose flour

50 g freshly ground flax

12 g Diastatic malt

936 g water at ~90F divided (explanation below)

25 g Himalayan pink salt

30 g full fat local yogurt

158 g levain (explanation below)

 

2 Days before:

  1. Revive your starter by feeding it about 1:1:1 every 6-8 hours. I initially used plain all purpose flour but once I had milled the flour for the bread, I used the left over high extraction flour and some bran.

 

1 Day before:

  1. Mill 625 g of Selkirk wheat berries and sift to obtain 559 g of high extraction wholewheat flour and ~60 g of bran. I also had a bit of the high extraction flour left over so I used that and some of the bran to feed my seed starter in order to continue getting it up to speed.
  2. Place the high extraction whole wheat flour, bread flour, a/p flour, the flax and malt in a container and reserve.
  3. Take 30 g of bran and soak it in 40 g of water and a bit of the starter. This is to break down the bran and soften it as much as possible before using it in the levain and the dough.

 

Dough Day:

  1. Make the levain: Mix 60 g of the activated starter with the soaked bran, the unbleached flour and 30 g of water at 90F. I then placed it in my trusty warm spot. This will make a bit more than needed and it is probably thicker than in the original recipe due to the bran. This was mixed at 11:30 am which is about an hour longer than Maurizio specifies in his recipe. The reason is because I only used half of the water at his specified temperature so I figured it might take a tad longer to mature. 
  2. Well, the levain was zooming along so after 2 hours and 15 minutes, I took it out of the warm spot and put it on the counter to slow it down! 
  3. I also decided to start the mixing and autolyse a bit early since I am making 4 batches of this dough and I need time to mix it all. At 2 pm, I mixed 836 g of 91F water with the reserved flour mix until all the flour was hydrated and at 2:15 pm, I placed the dough in the warm spot in the oven. The remaining water will be added with the levain and the salt. 
  4. Two hours later, I added 30 g yogurt, 50 g water and 158 g levain. I mixed it in well and did probably 30-40 in bucket folds to get it all mixed in. I let the dough rest while I mixed the other batches. Then I did 100 slap and folds on the counter, spread the dough out, sprinkled the salt and another 25 g water (I decided that  the whole remaining 50 g would be too much), did another 50 slaps and folds and placed the dough back into its bucket. The dough went back into its warm spot. This took me 45 minutes for 4 batches of dough and gave me a really good upper arm workout!
  5. During bulk fermentation, I did 5 sets of folds half an hour apart as per Maurizio’s instructions. The dough felt very loose at the beginning. Then it started tightening up nicely. I used Maurizio’s two handed stretch with a ferret coil at the end of the four folds. After the 5 folds, I left the dough to rise in its warm spot for another hour and half. Bulk fermentation was a total of 3 and half hours.
  6. I divided the dough into portions of about 760 g each. Some flour was sprinkled over the portions and I rounded the boules using my scraper. I must say that this is getting a lot easier. The dough didn’t stick to the scraper, or to me for a change. After a 20 minute rest, I followed Maurizio’s instructions for shaping: “Flip one resting round over so the floured side is down on the work surface. Fold the top of the dough up and over to the middle and repeat for the bottom (you’ll now have a long slender rectangle in front of you). Pickup the rectangle and rotate it 90º so it’s now lengthwise facing you. Grab the dough at the very top and fold over a little ways, press to seal with the main mass of the dough. Now grab this rolled over top and gently continue to roll it down towards the bottom, tucking in the dough as you go (imagine rolling down a beach towel). At the end of this you’ll have a tube that has essentially been rolled downward.”  I was very surprised at how little flour was used this time. It was about half of what I usually use for shaping. This dough was really nice to work with!
  7. The boules went seam side down into bannetons sprinkled with some of the leftover bran. Plastic bowl covers used to cover the bannetons. Finally, the bannetons were placed into a cold fridge (38F) for 10-11 hours.
  8. The next morning, heat the oven to 475F with the dutch ovens inside for at least 45 minutes. Place rounds of parchment paper in the bottom of the pots, score the loaves, and gently place the dough seam side up inside. I turn out the dough onto a cornmeal sprinkled counter first, score, then place it into the pots. 
  9. Cover the pots and bake the loaves at 450 F for 25 minutes, remove the lids, drop the temperature to 425F, and bake for another 22 minutes.

 

The scores really didn’t open up much but the boules are nicely full and round. They feel nice and light so I am hopeful for a decent crumb. Right now the first two batches are cooling and the last two batches are about to go in. 


Comments

DanAyo's picture
DanAyo

I think I remember reading that you bake for those less fortunate. Don’t remember if it was the homeless or not. But what a gift... Bread is not only food, but a gift from a warm heart.

God Bless you, Danni!

Danny, “the other one” :-))

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Danni3ll3

I bake once a week for a local soup kitchen. 3 of the loaves are for them as is all the money I collect for the 8 other loaves that I sell to friends. And of course, the last loaf is for us.

Quite a few years ago, one of the school I was at did a food drive to support this particular organization. When the food was dropped off, there were a number of our kids from the school there. That really hit me hard. So this particular soup kitchen depends completely on donations as they are not government funded. Recently, they managed to get on the list for United Way so they now get a bit from there. It is a bit of an oxymoron that you have an atheist baking for and giving money to a Catholic organization but I don't care who or what they believe in. There is a need and I have a way of fulfilling it.

PalwithnoovenP's picture
PalwithnoovenP

What flavors did the diastatic malt add? They look so round and plump, I can't wait to see the inside!

Bien fait toujours !

Danni3ll3's picture
Danni3ll3

sure can taste the wheat. Also like wheat on steroids! One thing that I noticed was that the crust burned when I toasted it tonight. I am not sure what caused that. 

DanAyo's picture
DanAyo

Do you think the diastatic malt may have contributed to the burnt crust?

Danni3ll3's picture
Danni3ll3

I don't know a thing about diastatic malt. Oh except on how to make it now. Ha ha!

DanAyo's picture
DanAyo

If you research diastatic malt I believe you’ll find out that it causes darkening in both the crust and crumb.

Nut-Brown Malt Flour is a good example. It is made from roasted malt barley and smells lovely and imparts a delicious, mouth-watering flavour to your breadmalt loafand buns. It also makes the dough and finished bread darker. ... RBM, Roasted Barley Malt flour is an extremely dark non-diastatic roasted barley malt flour.

I noticed you used yogurt for this one. I bought a large tub of the proper yogurt to bake with, but it taste so good I’ve eaten almost all of it. I put it on our shopping list to replenish. I plan to try baking with it. I notice you use only a small amount. Is there a concern about using too much.

Oh! Too much diastatic malt will really mess up bread. It will make the crumb gummy in a very bad way.

Dan

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Danni3ll3

In my case the crust or the crumb are not noticeably darker. I was expecting that but using my usual temps and timings, the bread came out the same colour it usually does. 

I don’t know why I settled on such a low amount of yogurt. I think it just seemed to evolve over time to that amount. I have used up to 50 g or more per 1100 g of flour with no significant change.

I know that the crust is way more tender with the yogurt than without. I used to get complaints about a tough crust from friends and family, but I haven’t had any since using the yogurt. 

And using it was just a fluke really. I had some left over local yogurt and decided to use it up in the bread just to get the bottle out of the fridge. I loved what it did to the crust so I use that or local kefir in all my loaves. 

The flax is there for nutrition and to help absorb water in high hydration doughs. Using more water makes it easier to mix by hand and then the flax absorbs quite a bit of it making the dough more manageable during bulk and  shaping. 

DanAyo's picture
DanAyo

Danni, when you use yogurt, how does it affect the hydration? So lets say you add 50g yogurt to the mix. How much water will you remove to keep the same hydration?

I’m back to eating yogurt since our discussion on using it in bread. It sure is a great snack. I like the plain full fat greek yogurt. That way I can add what I like. The store bought flavored versions have a chemical taste to me. Nutmeg taste pretty good with a little sweetener :-). Looks like I may have to try my hand at making my own. See what you started...

Have you used the whey in your breads?

Danny

Danni3ll3's picture
Danni3ll3

the only time I adjust the hydration to account for the yogurt is when I make breads over 80% hydration. Then I deduct the same amount of water from the recipe. Under 80% hydration, I just put it in there and I don’t worry about adjusting anything. 

I used to get all stressed out about hydration but now, I just go with it. A bit more or a bit less isn’t going to make that much of a difference once you are used to handling fairly high hydration doughs. It might have to do with the fact that Canadian flours are thirsty and what would be soup for you is just a bit wet on my side of the border. 

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

If it is roasted then it is Non Diasttic Red Malt where the enzymes have been killed off which is great for color and flavor but no extra amylase a and b  or protease enzymes are added to help the starches be broken down into sugars or protein bonds in gluten be broken.

Danni3ll3's picture
Danni3ll3

“Unmalted flours don’t contain sprouted barley malt, but some pizza chefs prefer unmalted flours because they allow the pizzas to be baked at high temperatures (700° to 900°F) in wood-fired ovens without developing excessive char on the crust (the result of sugar formation due to hydrolysis by the malt)” 

http://www.pmq.com/October-2014/Working-with-unmalted-flours/

So there you go. My burnt crust in the toaster is probably due to the malt!

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

At 100 F the one thick shoot would just be nubbing out of the seed end where the 3 thin rootlets came out.  You were half way between Chitting where you make sprouted grain to dry for flour and malt about 96 hours after soaking where the sprout is at least as long as the seed itself.  By then the 3 rootlest will be well over an inch long.  So you were half way to malt with half the diastatic power of malt - still [lety I am sue.  Also, the shoot should never be green,  If it turns green that means that light has hit it and the seed has started making chlorophyll and is no longer making the enzymes it would if kept in the dark.  The seed is now using light to survive and grow leaves instead of using its stored seed carbohydrates that the enzymes would be breaking down into sugars.  It doesn't need enzymes now they take a back burner to everything else the seed is doing..  Make sure that no light hits any seed that you are sprouting.    When green the seeds are bitter and not good tasting either.  Lucy though for sure you read her Sprouting and Malting Primer?

http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/43798/sprouting-and-malting-primer

 

Danni3ll3's picture
Danni3ll3

Like really! I went through all that hassle to make semi malt! ? I did wonder about the shoots being green but I had them in the oven with the lights on to try to speed things up. Now I realize that I could have covered them to protect them from the light. 

Maybe I’ll  just save myself the hassle and order the stuff from amazon! ?

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

where it has been:-)  Plus since you put so much whole grains that you mill in your bread and you autolyse them you don't need white malt anyway it is the fabulous red malt you are after in the first place:-)

Ru007's picture
Ru007

Really nice Danni, can't wait to see the inside. 

I'm so glad the diastatic malt crisis was averted! LOL!

Happy baking

Ru

Danni3ll3's picture
Danni3ll3

Very happy with this!

syros's picture
syros

Danni, I don’t know where you get your energy from! Your recipes are like reading a book. Gorgeous!! Congrats! Question for you - I’m in Montreal and you are also in Canada. Right now I’m using La Milanaise Organic flours but I’d like to try other Canadian flours. What are you basically using. I don’t have a mill and don’t intend to get one - so recommendations? The all purpose is hard red and I’m looking for a hard white. Anyways, love your posts!

Sharon

Danni3ll3's picture
Danni3ll3

and I seem to become a bit fanatic with hobbies. Right now, the current ones are sourdough and pottery. So when you don’t feel your age and you make the time, you do things you enjoy!

As to flour, the only half decent a/p flour that isn’t full of additives that I can get here, is the Rogers No Additives Unbleached All Purpose flour. I get it at Safeway. I buy the 10kg bags by the way.

 I have looked at all kinds of other brands but nothing appeared to be less processed than this. For Wholewheat, I used to buy Brulee Creek flour which is made locally. He doesn’t make A/P unfortunately. Now, I mill my own from grain that I get shipped from Daybreak Mills in Saskatchewan. Shipping is a bit pricey but the grains are all organic. 

I have looked at flour at Bulk Barn and they have some interesting flours including White Wholewheat flour but they are quite pricey compared to the Rogers. So check out your local bulk barn for the hard white. 

Otherwise, look to see if you have any local millers and try their flours. Or check out Daybreak Mills. They also sell flour and all kinds of other meat things. 

cfraenkel's picture
cfraenkel

Hi Sharon,

I'm in Canada too (Vancouver)

We have Anita's Red Mill which has a very good selection,  http://anitasorganic.com/product_line/flours/

Try Well.ca which stocks lots of things organic.

 

 

Elsie_iu's picture
Elsie_iu

It'd surely taste great plain or made into sandwiches! 

Isand66's picture
Isand66

Love this one.  The crumb can't get much better and I'm sure it was very tasty.

Regards,
Ian

joc1954's picture
joc1954

Actually I have no clue about the flours you were using here as the only American flour I had opportunity to work with was King Arthur bread flour which I bought in SF and bring it back home. The results for this community bake are very dependent on the flour used and the technique of the fermentation, so it is hard to easily compare the results.

I like the idea that you bake for the soup kitchen and they should be really happy to have such a supplier.

Happy baking Danni!

Joze

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dabrownman

No wonder you are happy with it.  I just finished sprouting an0ther batch of seeds for another crack at this one using 25% sprouted flour, Kamut, spelt, oat and red wheat 15% whole wheat and 11% whole rye all in the levain so a bit more levai  this time..  This time we will get all 86% of the water in there too - if we don't forget..

Hope it turns out as good as this one did.  Well done and 

Happy baking Danni

Lazy Loafer's picture
Lazy Loafer

Danni, that is absolutely gorgeous bread. And I love your write up - I can almost see you in your kitchen working away on this. The crumb looks delicious.

I can buy Rogers Silver Star bread flour at our Costco here, for less than $13 CDN for a 20 kg sack. Good deal! However, it does have additives. My whole wheat flour is from a local farmer (not organic, but relatively clean).

As for malt - do you have a local you-brew or brewing supply store? They seem to be all over the place. They have a lovely selection of diastatic and non-diastatic malts, with different grains and different toasts. And very inexpensive (unlike Amazon). I don't mind sprouting grains for flour (or for whizzing up into sprouted pulp), but malting is way too much trouble for me. :)

Danni3ll3's picture
Danni3ll3

I did try some of the you brew places but maybe I need to try the rest. The ones I went to didn’t know what I was talking about. 

Lazy Loafer's picture
Lazy Loafer

They may use a different terminology. Just tell them you want Maris Otter plain malt, or untoasted malt, or malt where the enzymes have not been deactivated. I can't imagine a brew place not having plain malt! My place will even mill it for me, though it's a very coarse grind and I will usually re-mill it myself to get it more like a flour.

DanAyo's picture
DanAyo

The Brew Shop I dealt with had no idea about Diastatic and Non-Diastatic malt. Maybe a beer brewer/bread baker can help us. I’m pretty sure the dark malt is non-diastatic. I think roasting darkens the malts color and also that heat kills the enzymes.

They use the Lovibond scale. I think it is based on color. Does it relate to D/ND malt?

My purpose for understanding this is to NOT buy diastatic malt from a brew shop. I want the malt for color and flavor. I don’t want any diastatic affect at all. For diastatic malt, which I rarely use, I buy from Eric @ Breadtopia.

Dan

Danni3ll3's picture
Danni3ll3

of the local breweries and one of them sold me 2-row malt from Canada Malting. I think that this might work. Am I right?

Lazy Loafer's picture
Lazy Loafer

It certainly looks like a plain malt. Doesn't look like it's been hulled, but that shouldn't matter too much if you mill it (and you're only going to use a tiny bit).

DanAyo's picture
DanAyo

It is all about how high the temperature got during the roasting or dryng process. It the sprouts get too hoy the enzymes are killed and the barley becomes Non-diastatic.

I copied this from https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/making-your-own-diastatic-malt/

 

“Before you can mill the grains they have to be dried. You have to do this at a low temperature or your precious enzymes will not survive. The enzymes will damage and die and lose all activity at about 55 ºC or 130 ºF, so to be on the safe side do not let them get above 40 ºC or 104 ºF. We dry our sprouts, spread out, on a baking sheet lined with grease proof baking paper in a window sill. Turn them with a spoon every 6 hours or so the bottom grains are on top and everything gets evenly dried. If you have a fancy oven which can be set to 40 ºC or 104 ºF you can also put the baking sheet in your preheated oven for 3 to 4 hours. The grains are ready when they are dried completely and have turned rock solid again. Drying at room temperature can take up to two days or even more. Just be patient.”

So, if the brew shop knows the high temperature of the sprouts during processing you can know whether it is D or ND malt.

Danny

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Danni3ll3
dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

Amylase a and b.  The brewers window is 140 F to 158F but b amylase is more fragile than a and denatures rapidly at 145 F.  Since a and b break down different starch chains into simpler sugars many brewers are careful to do two temperature holds during wort production.  They want heat over 140 F where barley starch gelatinizes making it easier to attack and a high temperature where the enzymes are working on steroids to help break the starch's protein chains as fast as possible.  I used to hold at 140 -142 F long enough to allow the Amylase b do its work creating the simpler sugars it did before raising the temperature to 150-152 F for another hold to allow the Amylase a to do its work while denaturing amylase b and then raising the temperature to over 170 F to make sure all of the enzymes were denatured before allowing the wort to cool so that it could be fermented.

So any temperature under 132 F for drying grain is OK and will not denature the amylase enzyes.

https://byo.com/article/understanding-enzymes-homebrew-science/

http://braukaiser.com/wiki/index.php/Enzymes

Danni3ll3's picture
Danni3ll3

to brew beer now! ? Seriously, this bread baking thing sure takes you down paths you never imagine you would take! Thanks for the info!

Lazy Loafer's picture
Lazy Loafer

http://www.canadamalting.com/cm/Products/TDS%20-%20Canada%20Malting%20Canadian%202-Row%20Malt%20Rev%2002%20Oct%205%202017.pdf

It says it has "sufficient enzymes to allow the brewer to use up to 30-40% non-malt adjusts" so that should be sufficient for bread conditioning too, I expect.

Danni3ll3's picture
Danni3ll3

Great minds think alike and post alike! ?

Danni3ll3's picture
Danni3ll3

it was super cheap! $1.25 per pound!

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

barley and you can get it hulled for 45 cents a pound at Winco, That is the way to go for malts for bread and you don't want hulls in your bread since it isn't feed for the animals as Granny Ester used to say about silage grains:-)

Danni3ll3's picture
Danni3ll3

how do I go about getting the hulls out of my barley? If you want a laugh, picture me standing outside with a small container of malt barley and blowing on them with my eyes closed to get the loose stuff off. Of course, it all ended up all over my face and in my hair. ?

Lazy Loafer's picture
Lazy Loafer

I have bought hull-less barley (I think I get that in sacks from a local grain distributor though). But you could try rubbing the malted grains in a silicone baking mat or something like that to remove most of the hull. If you mill it fine I don't think it would be a problem for whatever is left on it. I just milled the Maris Otter malt I got from the brew store and use it that way. I use so little that it's pretty easy to pick out any big bits of hull if they are still in there. You can see some bits on the right in this photo. That's about a tablespoon of the milled malt. I guess I could also sift it once it has been milled.

Danni3ll3's picture
Danni3ll3

Mine came out to be a very fine powder after milling on the finest setting on my Komo. 

albacore's picture
albacore

That looks like pale malt or lager malt and will have plenty of diastatic activity. Malt, by and large, isn't sold as diastatic or non-diastatic; malt extract IS, so this may be where some confusion arose.

With grain malt, like what you have bought, the amount of diastase in it will be a function of how much it has been kilned. The colour of the malt will tell you the degree of kilning; if it's pale or straw coloured, then plenty of diastase, if it's dark brown or darker, there's probably no diastase left. Malts like Munich and Vienna - somewhere in between. Crystal and cara malts - no diastase, but sweet, toffee flavours and some maltose sugar.

 

PS beautiful looking loaves Danni!

Lance

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Danni3ll3

and thanks for confirming that I got something I can use!