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HOL-E attempt #3

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bread1965

HOL-E attempt #3

New year, new bake.. best wishes for happy loaves in 2018!

Trevor's book is gnawing on my brain and I'm thinking about making a very open crumb. Not there yet, but on the way.. This week I made a 70% hydration unbleached white loaf with 2% salt and a 10% levain that was fed 1:4:4 every twelve hours at 100% hydration and kept in a warm spot/cupboard above a heating vent in my kitchen (about 78 degrees). I fed the starter over the past week with 1:3:3 and 1:4:4 to figure out the most optimal timing on a twelve hour feeding schedule. I used it around peak - before it fell around 12 hours from the last feeding. It was definitely more sweet than sour - as expected. It was at about a triple increase in volume. I was feeding it with unbleached AP flour. One odd thing i noticed about the levain is I normally leave it on my counter-top, place it in a large glass and cover it with cling wrap. Normally I get a tight dome on the glass as the levain rises and becomes active. This entire week of warm spot feeding I didn't once get a tight dome. I'm not sure why that's the case.

I mixed the flour, water and salt Friday night, left it on the counter for a few hours, placed it in the fridge. Saturday morning I took it, added the levain, mixed it for ten minutes to incorporate and left it in my 'warm spot' cupboard (78 degrees). I folded it three times within the first two hours, then every hour until about 4pm. The dough started moving, I placed it in the fridge as I had to run an errand. At this point it had probably increased about 30/40% in volume - Trevor likes to get a 30% increase to this point if I read it correctly. An hour I was back, took it out of the fridge, and per-shaped and left it on the bench for about 20 minutes. It had very good structure and shape. I did a final shape, put it in the basket and let it proof in the warm spot. It went up about 30/40% in volume and then I baked it per his direction of 20 minutes at 550 and 20 uncovered at 425. I normally don't bake that high.  I bought a lodge combo cooker during the holidays so this was my first bake in it.

 

I'm trying to keep the variables constant. It's a basic and kind of boring bread - but I'm just working on technique before I bring the concepts to whole wheat and seeded loaves. I worked on my levain, and could probably have been gentler on the initial folds. I also shouldn't have gone with his higher bake temp - I'd normally bake at 500 an then 450 when uncovered. I'd also add more water. I think my flour needs more water as it felt "tight" when mixing after having added the levain and it was as if  I tared the  dough a bit even though it was early.. I think I got a lot of gluten developed overnight.

It's a fine tasting bread and is fine in many ways (ex the bottom burn). But It's not what I'm after.  I can't help but think I under proofed. Not yet the OPEN crumb I'm looking for.. will try again next week..

bread1965

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Danni3ll3

since you started. That crumb is definitely getting there! And you got lovely oven spring as well! That is a really nice loaf!

As to your burnt bottom, (the loaf, not yours! ?), if you have convection mode on your oven, use that to bake. I found it helped!

Your idea of using one recipe to improve your technique is probably a lot better than what I am doing which is trying a bunch of new recipes while varying a bunch of things at the same time. I just can't seem to get the discipline of only changing one thing at a time. Ha ha! 

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bread1965

Haven't used convection mode to bake bread.. but I'll give it a try! 

As to my bottom - I'm just happy to keep it warm! Dang it's cold outside!! Stay warm..

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trailrunner

The color and the cracks in the crust are perfect !  Most everyone on this forum would call that a lovely crumb !!  I sure would. I agree that 550 is way too hot even with parchment under it. I am sure you will get where you want to be with your diligence. I made the same bread for a very long time over 40 yrs ago. My challah was my go to bread and I didn't try anything else till it was perfect. It is a fine way to improve by not changing too many variables. As Danni says though there are many ways to get a loaf of wonderful bread. Good luck !  c

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bread1965

It's a good looking loaf.. I get it.. but this is what I'm looking to bake: http://www.breadwerx.com/first-post-and-why-bread-is-still-a-mystery/  Trevor has totally messed with my head.. so let's see how the experiment goes! Will definitely lower the temp - thanks for the words of support.. be well and bake happy! bread1965!

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leslieruf

and even if crumb isn’t what you after, its really nice!  Trevor’s book has had quite an impact, that is for sure.  I am a bit like Danni and find it hard to stick to the one recipe as I like variation in my daily bread lol and there are so many things to try!

Look forward to the next loaf!

Leslie

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dabrownman

Baking at that high a temperature for so long will continue to  blacken the bottom of your loaves.  I finally had to preheat to 500 F than bake with lid on for 5 minutes and then turn down to 450 F for another 13 minutes,  Then the lid comes off and you turn the oven down t 425 Convection.  After 5 minutes take the loaf off the bottom of the Combo cooker and finish baking on the stone till 208 F on the inside.  No more combo cooker black bottom ever again and you get th best spring bloom and color too!

Some people say they can just put the top of the combo cooker under the bottom when the lid comes off rather than take it out of the oven but I have not done this.

Next time perfection.  Well done and happy baking