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Crumb Query

BreadMakesPatrick's picture
BreadMakesPatrick

Crumb Query

Hi All,

I've been working my way through Flour, Water, Salt, Yeast for a while now and have become pretty familiar with a lot of the recipes. I've started experimenting with different flour blends, hydratations and ideas but a common thread I've found throughout my loaves is that the crumb is never as open in the middle as is it at the edges. Often the first couple of slices have a really exciting open crumb but towards the middle it becomes full of only fairly small holes (not tiny, but significantly reduced from the outer edges). 

My question is, what is this most likely to be caused by? I'm assuming it's the shaping somehow but not sure why that would be the case. Any help and insight very much appreciated. I'll take some pictures of this mornings loaf to show what I mean...

Many thanks,

Patrick

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Trevor J Wilson

This happens with most loaves, regardless of shaping. And while it's certainly possible to over-compress the crumb while shaping, thus causing an even tighter center, even a gently shaped and well-formed loaf will exhibit this phenomenon to one degree or another.

As I see it, it's mainly a matter of compressive and tensional forces. The gas cells towards the center of the loaf bear a greater burden of compression than do the gas cells towards the surface of the loaf, because they support the greater portion of the load (the weight of the loaf). Because they're undergoing greater compression, they require a greater counter force to expand than do the cells towards the surface of the loaf. 

The gas cells towards the edge of the loaf are under much less compression, therefore they require less expansive force to grow. So they have a greater inclination to grow larger. But this also makes them less stable as the cell walls are stretched further and further. They are more prone to collapse, and some will. The more surface tension the loaf contains, the more likely those cells will collapse and coalesce (into larger cells). However, the looser the dough, the more likely those cells will collapse and expel their gasses (deflation). Both can happen at the same time in a loaf.

The gas cells towards the center of the loaf are much more stable than the cells towards the surface. They experience a better balance of compressive and expansive forces. And because they don't grow as much, or collapse and coalesce as much, they are more numerous as well.

So at the center of the loaf you have a stable structure formed from many small and sturdy cells. And towards the edge of the loaf you have a structure containing fewer, larger and more unstable cells.

Once the loaf is placed in the oven, the resulting expansion will magnify all these effects. The already less-stable cells towards the surface of the loaf undergo greater turbulence than the sturdier cells towards the center of the loaf. Additionally, as the crust hardens it begins to trap some of the steam and gasses that are being expelled from the still-pliable center of the loaf. Since the gas can't escape the loaf, it will accumulate under the surface forming ever-larger alveoli. Essentially, ovenspring exaggerates the cell structure. 

But all that long explanation is somewhat pointless anyway. Those are just the general forces that affect the crumb structure of all loaves (there are other forces as well). Some loaves will be affected to a greater degree than others. And there are always outliers that seem to defy all physics.

If your crumb seems excessively tight in the center then it's most likely a fermentation or handling issue. Open crumb is 80% proper fermentation and handling. Both are skills. The more practice you get, the better your skills get. And the better your skills get, the better your crumb gets. 

Cheers!

Trevor

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Vince920

As trevor explained above, the middle of the dough is usually more dense due to [physics] (lol)

You can reduce this effect by shaping your dough into a flatter, wider loaf to lessen the tension on the middle of the dough. Shaping it into a longer loaf might also help. Anything to reduce the tension in the middle, since it's what's causing it.

If you do not want to change the shape of your loaf, either just accept the fact that it's normal or try higher hydration recipes for an even more open crumb, hopefully making the effect less noticeable.

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mutantspace

someone on this forum cant remember who made a good point - its not so much the holes but the space between the holes you should be looking at...to me a good crumb is a variance in ho a proliferation of holes throughout the loaf....sort of like a lesson i learnt in life drawing in college - look at the negative space around the figure to find the true shape not the line of the figure...if you get what i mean and as Trevor says fermenting and handling...and that only comes with experience...i had a problem with a dense centre and so decided to push my loaves (in time) to as long as i thought feasible in bulk and proofing and worked backwards from there....as a result my loaves are now better....i think theres a tendency for people to underproof....to me its always a game of chicken with dough....    

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kendalm

Personally I don't think the explanations regarding tension have nearly as much impact on crumb development as do the effects of heat. A good open crumb will develop if you can cause gases to expand faster and earlier. The bigger the loaf the more time it takes for the interior to heat up and its as simple as that at least in my experience. If you want holes inject as much possible heat as fast as possible. A big boule will take more and more and more time to transfer that heat into the middle so the trick is really to get the middle hotter and faster - that's just my 2c worth :)

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BreadMakesPatrick

Thank you all for these great responses! Now you have explained the physics of the loaf's weight, it now seems obvious. I think the last couple that I have made have actually been a little overproofed.. was trying a recipe of my own devising where I wasn't 100% how long it would need to bulk overnight so woke in the morning to find it nearly 5 times as big as opposed to perhaps a desirable 2-3. 

Heat also an interesting point, I had been turning my own down ever so slightly, will try pushing it back up. 

In terms of lessening tension in the middle, a more oblong loaf would fare better as opposed to a traditional round?

For a slight deviation from original post subject - any thoughts on my experiment regarding doing a biga+sourdough loaf? Current recipe is:

80% white, 20% wholemeal, 78% Hydration, 60% biga, 12% levain, 2% salt. The biga in this one is made up of 660g white, 448g water and 0.4g yeast. I let the biga develop for 12 hrs, the levain was fed 10hrs before using and then it was all mixed, 3 folds in the space of an hour, 10hrs overnight bulk, 1hr 30 RT proof and 45min fridged proof, 45min bake. Happy with the taste but seemed to be over-proofed after bulk (maybe 4 times as big, super huge bubbles), crumb not that open - hence my original question. Any thoughts welcome!

Many thanks, 

Patrick

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BreadMakesPatrick

(Dough temp by final mix was about 22C and ambient temperature of room proofing in hovers between 19-21C.)