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Baguette Burnt on the Underside

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EKMEK

Baguette Burnt on the Underside

Hello there,

Thanks to this site,  my baguettes are getting better and better ( with a long way to go yet).

My problem now: The baguettes are pretty nice, but the underside is definitely too dark.

the dough is 70% to 73% water.  Baked on a un-glazed quarry-tile surface, at the top third of the oven. Oven heated to 500 degrees, when the baking starts the temp is reduced to 480 degrees, and after 10 minutes to 455 degrees.  Baked for a total of 22 minutes.  The oven is steamed right prior to baking with a third cup of boiling water on lava stones ( at the bottom shelf ), and right after the bread is loaded steamed again with half a cup of boiling water for 10 minutes.

After 22 minutes baking the oven is turned off, but the bread remains in the oven for another 10 minutes with the door open, to dry a little.

I use a t65 french flour with 5% middle rye.

any suggestions?

 

thanks,

 

David

 

 

 

 

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dmsnyder

A photo of your problem loaves would help. Here are some questions to answer, so you get an appropriate solution:

1. How much do your baguettes weigh, and how long are they?

2. Besides the bottoms, do you feel the rest of the crust's coloration is just right?

3. What kind of oven do you have (gas or electric? heats from top, bottom, both? convection?)

4. Have you checked to see if your oven is heating to the temperature at which you are setting it?

As a possible shortcut, if everything else is perfect except for the bottom crust being too dark, put some parchment with cornmeal or semolina on it between your tiles and breads. You might want to try baking with the rack farther from the heat source. If the top crust is too dark too, bake at a lower temperature. 

I'm sure we can help you.

David

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tgrayson

Preheat to a lower temperature.

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EKMEK

David and tgrayson, thank you both, and I'll attache photos next time.

to David's questions:

1.  I am loading four baguettes, 325 grams each.

2. beside the bottom the rest of the baguette is great.

3. My oven is electric. bottom heated. 

4. I checked the temp control with an oven thermometer, and it is quite accurate.

4. I do use parchment, but no cornmeal or semolina.  Is the meal spread between the tiles and the parchment?, how much?

5. I can't raise the tiles any further, because I won't be able to load the bread.

to what temp should I preheat the oven?

 

David

 

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tgrayson

The proper temperature is a trial and error thing. If you want to see an immediate improvement, lower it to 450. If the bottom is too pale, split the difference.

(BTW, if, during preheating, the top element is coming on, perhaps the tiles are getting too hot because they're so high in the oven and close to the heating element. Personally, I don't bake anything in the top 1/3 Anyway, lowering the rack might could help in this instance. Just speculating here.)

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EKMEK

tgrayson

thanks foryour comments. 

My oven's top element works only for grilling. Baking is done by  the bottom element.

A question:  If I lower the preheating temp, do I lengthen the baking time, so that the top of the baguette is properly baked?

David

 

 

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tgrayson

Absolutely. If you have convection, I switch it on after the steaming period.

Oh, and I just noticed your last statement in your original post, about leaving the loaf in the oven to dry a little. You might check to see what the bottom looks like before that phase...if it's ok then, you might consider just putting the loaf onto something that lifts it off the tiles. I sometimes uses a cooling rack for this purpose.

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alfanso

Hi David (again),

  • Baking temp is too high
  • I keep my baking deck as close to the lower element as possible, only the steaming trays are lower.  I also have an electric oven with the lower element doing the labor.  Once before I showed you that the bottom of my baguettes never (really never) burn.
  • Try not using convection mode (I never do), but if you do, only in the second half of the bake and then lower the oven temp.
  • The additional 10 minutes to vent is way more than I've ever done, regardless of whether it was baguettes or batards.  A typical venting period might be 1 to 3 minutes tops.
  • If you use parchment, you don't need another layer of anything below the baguettes i.e. cornmeal, etc.  The parchment acts as an insulator between the dough and the tile deck.
  • I use 2 cups of near boiling water on lava rocks just after loading the dough.  This ensures that there will be sufficient steam throughout the first half of the bake.  You might want to increase how much water you add.
  • How long to bake?  That's a trial and error deal.  Visual familiarity with what your bread should look like as it nears the completion of baking is a learned experience.
  • Even a correctly calibrated oven will yield hot and cool spots across the baking tile.  For instance, the deck directly above my lava rock pan is cooler than the rest of the deck by tens of degrees.
  • Therefore when you release the steam swap positions of the baguettes on the deck, both left to right as well as rotating them front to back.
  • Keep the dough as far apart from each other as possible, as the dough itself will keep its neighboring doughs cooler or you'll have less baked sidewalls to your bread.
  • When you swap positions try to change which doughs will be near to the oven wall without a neighboring dough (see above).
  • Do the above in a late stage of baking as well, even during oven venting at the end may bring a benefit.
  • If your oven does not cycle into recovery mode soon enough, force it to.  As soon as the steam is introduced, it will drop the oven temp due to the much cooler steam, as well as the cool dough being loaded into the oven.  Whenever you open the oven door, the temp inside will start dropping immediately.

Try some/none/all of these things and take notes, mental or written, on what changes you experience.  And most importantly - don't forget to boogie!

alan

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dmsnyder

It probably is a matter of successive approximations. I bake my demibaguettes at 480dF, but I scale them to about 250g, and I like them dark. If you are scaling at 325g, those are near full-size. A 350g baguette is often baked at 340-350dF for 22-25 minutes, but they traditionally have a paler crust than what I prefer. I think tgrayson's advice to bake at 350dF and raise the temp if the bake is too light or takes too long. 

Again, what I was taught is that full-size baguettes should bake in 22-25 minutes, and you set your oven to give you that result.

Experiment with pre-heating temperature too. I think 20-25dF hotter than your planned baking temperature is reasonable.

I don't have any rules of thumb for venting times in a home oven. In general, the wetter the dough and the heavier the loaf, the longer the venting (oven off, door cracked). So, for a 80% hydration, 2kg miche, a 30-60 minute venting is reasonable. I don't do it with baguettes at all.

David

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EKMEK

Guys,

thank you all, and it is most helpful.  I attach here a few photos that show the bread for your review and advice.

a couple of questions:  baking at the top, middle, or bottom of the oven.  How does it effect the result?

If the oven does not recover the temp fast enough, how can it be forced?

thanks,

 

David

 

 

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alfanso

If you have an oven with a digital pad, reset the temperature.  My oven does not have a set of up/down buttons, so I'll shut it off and immediately reset it.  The thermostat reads the internal temperature as too low and starts the reheating process again.

I've never baked with the baking deck anywhere but on the lowest level that I can.  So I really can't comment on how other positions make the dough respond.  But I want my baking deck as close to the heating element as I reasonably can to try and ensure that the deck is as close to the set temperature as possible..

If you haven't already gotten the idea, every oven environment is slightly different from every other one.  And if you ask 100 bakers the same set of questions, you may well get 100 different answers. 

alan

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EKMEK

Alan,

As always, you have been most helpful, and I appreciate it.

David

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EKMEK

Let  me try again to insert the  photos.