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Tanto's picture
Tanto

Organic flour

Hi everybody.
Maybe I should start by introducing myself as I'm new here.
My name is Tomas Andersson, I live in Sweden and one of my main interests is to bake bread.
(Of course you may think. Otherwise you would not be here.)

My first question her is about organic wheat flour.
Here in Sweden you are encouraged to use organic flour to your sourdough starter because it contains more micro organisms.
However, some professional bakers object to that. They say that organic wheat flour tend to vary in quality and are
therefore not suitable for sourdough starters.
Unfortunately I have to agree. I say unfortunately because I really like the idea about organic flour
as I always strive to eat organic food as often as possible.
But when I use organic wheat flour to my starter I get a rather mediocre result to often.
I have found other ordinary types of flour that works better.
What are your opinions about this? Anybody who recognizes this problem?

/Tomas

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dabrownman

it isn't supposed to have pesticides, herbicides and chemical fertilizers sprayed on it and fields it is grown in are supposed to be free of them for at least 3 years.  The flour milled from organic berries also can't have anything added to the flour before, during or after milling.

Sadly, every time they test organic grains there are still herbicides and pesticides found in them - just less.   Also flour made from organic grains is also inferior nutritionally and from a baking perspective.  The protein contents are lower due to not being fertilized as well, plus the extra vitamins, minerals and trace elements added to non organic flour to make it more nutritious are also missing from organic flour.  Some organic flour also does not have malt added to it.

The grain is grown from exactly the same seeds using the same water.  The only benefits to organic flour is less chemicals, pesticides and herbicides are found.  This alone is enough for some people even though the nutrition and baking qualities are lower.  There are trade offs to every choice we make - even when it comes to four:-)

A few years ago most organic flour was sold as non organic since there wasn't a big enough market for organic at its much higher price but things are changing.  I have found no difference in how the two grains taste or perform but with organic i don't glow as much in the dark - just kidding since grains are no irradiated

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drogon

(Based in the UK)

I only use organic flour in bread. Have done so for many years now. I find it works well in my sourdough (sometimes too well) A good mill will constantly test the wheat they get in and blend it with wheats from various sources to maintain consistency, so from that point of view you ought to be fine if you stick with the same mill. I recently switched mills and the new mills flour is different to the old ones but so-far it's been consistent. I'm getting another 250Kg delivered on Wednesday, so am quite confident of this mills flour consistency. Before I switched to this mill, I had samples from 2 other mills - the flour was fine - it did produce different breads though but I doubt most people who were buying my bread would notice.

I live in the organic capital of the world - Devon. Here there are places now beyond organic and I can get biodynamic wheat if I want it. (can't afford it though)

-Gordon

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Matt H

the market for organic grain must be more developed here in the US, because I've had exceptional results using a range of organic flours that are sold here. I've tried Bob's Red Mill, King Arthur, Central Milling, and stuff that is sold locally here in California in bulk bins of the health food stores. They've all been great for making starters and building loaves.

Tanto's picture
Tanto

Thanks for your replies.

Interesting comment dabrownman. I have not thought about it that way. But that may explain why it's so hard
to find high protein organic flour here in Sweden.
I do envy you Gordon. I wish I could order flour from my favorite mill as well. Unfortuantely it's not easy here in Sweden.
Matt. Your comment says something I have suspected for quite some time. You can find flour of high qality here. But not the organic.
I mean, why else would I fail so often with organic flour while I almost never fail with my ordinary favorite flour?

/Tomas

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bak

It is true, as dabrownman wrote, that the modern wheat can have lower protein content when grown organically or biodynamically due to less or no nitrate fertilization. In Denmark that has led to a revival of old country strains drawn from the Nordic Gene Bank for organic production. The biodynamic Öland wheat, Halland wheat, and Dalarna wheat (all of them old Swedish strains) that I use range from 12 to 14% protein, which is actually higher than most of the non-organic bread wheat that I can find - typically 11% protein.

Anyway, I use organic and biodynamic wheat for both starter and dough and I think that it works just fine. The same goes for rye. I recommend you try the strains that I mentioned if they are grown in Sweden (or imported from Denmark).

Tanto's picture
Tanto

Many thanks for your advice bak. I will investigate this further..

(A little embarrased though, that I have never heard about these strains before.)

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breathwork

Where do you get these flours from in Denmark. I am currently using Myers, but I'd like to try others.

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bak

Irma sometimes has Halland wheat from Livø.

Aurion (aurion.dk) has Öland wheat and Dalar wheat (aurion.dk). I normally buy their products from Spidsroden (Prins Jørgens Gade 14), Natur & Sundhed (Nørrebrogade 57). You can ask them to put in an order from Aurion if they don't have what you need.

Depending on what they decide to grow you can also buy some of those flours from Fuglebjerggaard (http://www.fuglebjerggaard.dk/).

Østagergård (http://oestagergaard.dk/) takes mail orders for Öland wheat and they also have great purple wheat.