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Doing Away With the Kneading

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Reynard

Doing Away With the Kneading

I stumbled across Paul Hollywood's "City Bakes" series on TV the other week whilst channel hopping and saw him visit this New York bakery where the proprietor was famous for no-knead bread. It's been intriguing me ever since, so I thought I'd give it a whirl - at most I'd wasted half a kilo of flour and a little bit of time...

The program didn't say much about the ingredients beyond the fact that he used half a gram of instant yeast and let the dough sit in a cool place for 24 hours, but I figured what the heck, I could play around and see where it took me.

Ingredients:

350g white bread flour

150g wholemeal bread flour

375-ish grams tepid water

10g salt

1/2g dried active yeast.

Method:

The yeast was first activated in the water; I use DA rather than instant, hence that change from the original method. The flour and salt went into a bowl and was stirred around, after which the water was added.

I actually started out with 325g of water (65% hydration) which is where my yeasted breads are usually at, but while that's fine for kneading, it was much too dry for just mixing briefly and then leaving. So I added a tablespoon at the time until I couldn't see any dry flour - hence the "ish" when it comes to actual water quantity. I will strive to be more accurate next time...

The dough was mixed up, the bowl popped into a clear plastic bag, and put in the hallway to do its bulk ferment at around 15C. The dough was checked at regular intervals (curiosity) and it was certainly rather interesting to see it change over time - almost like a poolish in an odd sort of way.

Have to say that the dough was quite wet and sloppy - almost a batter, but what surprised me was that after around 12 hours it was threatening to escape the bowl. As a safety precaution, into the fridge it went for overnight. In the morning the dough had stiffened up a little and it had maybe only risen another finger in those 12 hours.

I'd already been thinking that there was no way in hell I was going to be able to shape the dough as I'd seen on the TV, so the dough was folded while still in the bowl with a silicone spatula and, well, not quite poured, but let's say eased into a greased and floured loaf tin. That then went into a plastic bag and left to proof while the oven pre-heated. The dough was too wet to be scored, so it wasn't.

The bread went into the oven at around 80% proof, baked for 25 mins @ 230C underneath a cloche (in this case stock pot upturned over pizza stone) and then for a further 20 mins at 200C uncovered. The last 10 mins of the bake time was out of the tin, directly on the hot stone.

Verdict:

I certainly didn't expect the degree of oven spring I got - that really surprised me. The loaf cracked attractively on top and I got a load of blisters on the crust. It also smelled absolutely amazing while it was baking.

The crust was really crisp straight out of the oven but softened slightly as the bread cooled. Despite being quite thin it had a good crunch to it, as well as a nice chew - and a good, nutty flavour.

The crumb wasn't as open as I was expecting, but it was certainly more open than my usual breads. The crumb was soft and bouncy, with a slight gloss to it - almost a sourdough-type texture but not quite. Flavour was really good - I hadn't expected to get this much flavour out of cheap and cheerful flour, so will be interesting to see how this works with better quality ingredients. Again, in terms of taste and eating, this sits as a halfway house between my usual yeasted loaves and my sourdough ones - a very nice bread. Mum reckons it's pretty well much the best I've turned out so far...

And I certainly don't regret baking this loaf in a tin. With a dough this wet, the tin takes care of all the mess and frustration I'd have gone through trying to shape it by hand...

Lessons Learnt:

As I was winging it, it was inevitable that I'd come up against things I'd want to change.

The first is less yeast. That way I'd be able to leave it in the hallway for the whole bulk ferment rather than have it plan its escape from the house and the need to be incarcerated in the fridge. I used 1/2 a gram for the 500g of flour, but could probably get away with half of that tbh...

The second change is rather than adding the water to the flour before mixing, I'm going to add the flour to the water. I was left with a lump of stiff and rather dry dough in the bottom of the bowl (which I didn't add to the loaf btw) and am hoping that switching the order of adding things will take care of that particulat problem.

Third. The loaf just wasn't big enough LOL. A tiddly loaf that size won't last here, so I definitely need to up the quantities. I might have to experiment with easing the proofed dough into my chicken brick somehow, as my big loaf tin won't fit under my stock pot...

End Notes:

I'd definitely try this again. It's an interesting avenue to explore, and if I get good bread out of it at the end, then why the hell not ;-) And it's nice to add another different bread to the repertoire.

And I think someone likes the new cat bed I bought at the Cam Cats show on Saturday... :-)

 

Comments

KathyF's picture
KathyF

Ah yes. That must of been Jim Lahey. That's what got me started back to bread making again and on to sourdough. The original recipe is, I believe, at 80% hydration. When I was using the recipe I tended to reduce the amount a bit so the dough would be easier to handle. The Cook's Illustrated Almost No-Knead version is a lower hydration and does involved kneading at the end 10 to 15 times. From there I progressed to the sourdough no-knead recipe I found on Breadtopia which works very well also.

Your version looks great! Bet that made some yummy sandwiches!

Reynard's picture
Reynard

Had a blonde moment when trying to think of the name. I ended up roughly at 75% hydration, which I think worked pretty well - UK flours are less thirsty anyway. No reason why I can't try the sourdough version. What I like about this method is that I can just mix the dough up and leave it to get on with itself.

There's not much of the loaf left, Kathy LOL... It's so good just with butter :-)

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PalwithnoovenP

The no knead breads I see are often high hydration almost half of the flour is water when measured by volume with an almost negligible amount of yeast left at room temperature for a long time but I seldom see a 24 hour long rise, the most is at 18 hours but it always depends on the temperature. For the shaping they just receive 2 letter folds then proofed on a floured towel before they hit a very hot dutch oven, they are not usually scored to because of their wetness; the more rustic it looks, the better.

I'm with you on the tin! How about using one those covered loaf pans to keep the steam in but no scoring and domed tops. Perfect for hearty sandwiches!

That's one fine bed for a cat with attitude! What's her name? Our cats love to sleep on top of the stove when it's cold and on a pile of fallen leaves when its hot and humid like now.

Reynard's picture
Reynard

That's Lexi in the cat bed - she's a blue and white who thinks she's a naughty tortie. She's naughtier than my tortie LOL! It's still pretty cold here, so the girls like to snuggle up to the radiators and other sources of heat.

I don't have one of those covered tins, but I'm seriously thinking of investing in one as my big loaf tin doesn't fit under my cloche and I can't steam my oven because the door's got vents in it. Sounds like it might be just the ticket for this kind of loaf :-)

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PalwithnoovenP

How to make a good bacon butty and sticky toffee pudding?

Lexi is so pretty!

Reynard's picture
Reynard

The other day, when she came in covered from head to toe in conifer resin. She looked as if she had gotten herself a mohican LOL...

Sticky toffee pudding I can't really help you with as I don't make it - I find it much too sweet. But it's a sponge made with dates that's either steamed or baked, then served with a butterscotch sauce. I can dig out a recipe for you if you want, though.

Bacon butties... Ask 10 Brits how to make one and you'll get 10 different answers ;-) For me, it's got to be crusty white bread, butter, bacon and BBQ sauce. And the bacon's got to be smoked... Bottom line is that the bread and the bacon has to be good quality - not worth skimping on either, because if you're going to have something a bit naughty, then may as well make it a good one :-D

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dabrownman

Hell's Kitchen..  JL was one of the folks who got the artisan thing going in NYC.  I find that the SD versions of no knead benefit with a couple stretch and folds at 1.1/2 and 3 hours and then use them again  to gently shape the bread too.

Your semi WW version in the tin is perfect for sandwiches.and perfect for Lexi to come out of her warm hideout to steal the innards of the sandwich:-)  If shaped into a boule I like to proof them seam side down and bake them seam side up with no slashing required.  Love the crumb and crust on you bake - has to be tasty.

Lucy came up with a 3)5 whole grain, one day SD this week since i was out f town till Wed night.  You two must be channeling each other on the whole grain amounts this week.

Happy Baking Reynard and good luck with the SD Non Knead

http://newyork.seriouseats.com/2008/12/sullivan-street-bakery-review-hells-kitchen-manhattan-nyc.html

 

Reynard's picture
Reynard

To that article, Dabrownman :-) An interesting little read. And as for those sandwiches, oh myyyyy... I love that sort of stuff - mortadella, roast beef, good cheese... I feel really hungry again, never mind that I had lovely home made pizza tonight loaded with cheese, roasted veg, anchovies and olives...

You're right re this bread and the sandwiches - went down a treat at lunchtime today with cold roast pork and mustard :-) In terms of eatability, it's right up there.

Shaping it is another matter, as the dough is pretty wet. Not that it's a problem in itself - I just plopped it into the tin - but my mother might curse me to perdition if I smeared bread dough all over the kitchen while attempting to persuade it to become a boule LOL. But nothing to say I can't attempt to shape by hand with a lower hydration or with a higher proportion of whole grain ;-)

Will definitely be having another go at this after the weekend though.

P.S. Lexi had her share of the roast pork, but she didn't swipe it off my plate this time LOL...

Avibabyau's picture
Avibabyau

Good to see Paul's name mentioned here. The Great British Bakeoff is an excellent program to watch. I use a lot of his recipes but wish he'd use more natural starters instead of dried yeast. His technique for stretch and fold I have been using exclusively for a few weeks now nc have found that I get good results. I just prove in a square plastic container lightly oiled, wet my fingers, and stretch. At the moment I have a batch of totally Apple/plum yeast water dough proving and it is looking good, can't wait to taste it. Certainly for us oldies stretching and folding beats regular kneading hands down.

 

Reynard's picture
Reynard

That I don't watch the Great British Bake Off LOL!

Celebrity chefs / bakers have their uses when it comes to tips and ideas. However, I'm of the view that since I actually have to buy the ingredients for and then eat the bread I bake, I'm not going to take their word as gospel ;-) I'd rather bake to my tastes, not theirs LOL