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Submitted by nelbel_1 on October 3, 2007 - 10:32am. My bread won't rise!I love this place but am way over my head. I'm just starting to delve into bread baking as a whole. And this site has so much inspiration. I am having problems with my bread since I moved. I was in central Germany and all of my bread turned out fabulous. Now I am in Central TN and none of my yeast breads turn out. My sourdough is denser than rocks and I'm getting discouraged. I'm using KA whole wheat all purpose flour. Feischman's yeast warm liquids. The kitchen is warm enough. I don't think I'm over kneading, but I don't really know. I'm currently trying a new loaf with the "flop and pull" (that's what I call the stretch and fold) method. I don't have a scale or fancy equipment. I do it by hand, and often right on the countr top. My starter rises fine, but my dough just will not. All the loafs are super dense, though they taste good. Any suggestions? nel
* edited to say: It's not just the sourdough.... it's ALL my yeast breads. I don't always use my starter for my breads.
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nel -- Suggestion for bread that won't rise
If you're used to baking with European flours, I'd suggest increasing the amount of water in your recipes by 10-20%. American wheat is a lot "thirstier" than European flours.
As far as kneading goes, I make whole wheat breads all the time, and have had GREAT success with the stretch and fold (or fold and flop, which I like better, actually) method. If you've not seen it already, check out this page on stretch and fold. Mike Avery does a great job explaining it, with video even.
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Thanks!
I was using Eruo flours. I'll add more water and keep the dough wetter. That may help. The flop and pull dough seems to be rising, but it's not the right texture, I can see and feel that already. I'll bake it this evening and see. My sourdough in the oven is pretty solid. It just didn't rise.
I'll try more water. Thanks!
Nel
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For what it's worth ...
... here's what I make a couple of times a week for our family's bread.
Ingredients
As far as the procedure, I mix the water and starter first, mash it a bit with my fingers, and then give it 5 minutes or so to soften. Then I add the honey, salt and melted butter to the water, which I swish around with a spoon. Last, I add the flour and mix it until hydrated.
I let it sit an hour, then I work out any lumps with my fingers and do a stretch and fold. I'll do two more with 30 minutes to an hour in between. Depending on how cold it is -- and these days it's about 64 degrees, max -- I'll let it rise for 3-5 hours. I then preshape, let it rest 15 minutes, and then shape it into a sandwich loaf in a greased pan.
If it's warm enough, I'll let it rise on the counter. If not, I'll put it in a cooler on an upturned bowl and then throw 1 cup or so of boiling water in the bottom. After 2-3 hours, it's usually risen to about 1/2 to one inch above the rim. I then slash it and put it in a cold oven turned to 350 degrees F. It bakes for 50-55 minutes.
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Again, no scale :)
I'll figure out how to get that to work though. The water and flour weights are nearly equal and the starter seems to be what's keeping it in the firm side. I keep my starter pretty firm. I don't know the percentage, I'm no engineer. :) I have to knead it to feed it though. It seems like it is a very wet dough.
It's been a while since I've done it right, I must not remember what the dough was doing. I'll keep going and give your recipe try. Thanks for the recipe.
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Starter strength
Is it possible that the change in flour type changed the strength of your starter? I'm not the one to help you with this but it could be something to look at and perhaps someone else could comment.
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I think the starter is fine
I've worked on it to get it right, nice and sour. It likes the KA whole wheat all purpose best. It looks perfect when I feed it. It's seriously my best starter yet. Which is why I can't understand why my bread is like rocks.
I can start a new starter with a different flour. Maybe I will see different results.
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Is Starter Too Acidic?
I had the same problem before and found out from this site that the starter was too sour. I reduced the starter and the bread was better.
Hope this helps.
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