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I'm having four issues when baking bread...

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scaramoosh

I'm having four issues when baking bread...

1. I'm struggling to get my bread to just rise up and fill out like what I see in a bakery. I kept having the same issue of it just going outwards and being much flatter than I want. So I saw somewhere about using Gluten, and it has totally changed my dough so now it has structure and is strong, but it is a lot lighter and fluffier. However I'm still having the issue of my bread not growing, it wont fall flat any more, but it really just stays around the same size and forms a crust straight away. Do I just need bigger bread baskets? I cannot let it grow on the surface since even with gluten it will lose it's shape. In my bread machine it grows upwards when cooking but in my Oven with no support it just forms a hard shell straight away.

2. Unless I add spices and stuff my bread is rather flavorless and white bread at bakeries just has that amazing taste all to it's own. I'm just wondering what they do to get that amazing unique taste? I've tried adding more salt and butter but that just ruins the dough. 

3. How do bakeries get that nice crispy but chewy crust? I can get crispy or soft, but I can't get that chewy effect which I love so much, it's like their crust is a bit more elastic. 

4. How on earth do you make a light brown bread like the loaves you get at Tesco? Even time I try it ends up being really dense and brown flour rises much less than white. 

 

Thanx for the help, atm the only real good bread I can make is with that Wrights Bread mix, but I want to be able to do it from scratch myself. 

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Jane Dough

Without meaning to dampen your enthusiasm, let me say that most of us spend our spare time scouring the forums or baking or posting specifics.   For a start I'd begin at the beginning by reading through the lessons.   Or read the blogs to get some background.  All your questions are commented on time and time again - just not specific to your case.  What you want is possible.  What you need is research and practice.  I haven't been baking long but Thx to the TFL community I am baking successfully.  You will too with an investment.

Read about leaven and retarding for flavour - even flour choice - and baking methods for crust manipulation And additives and  effect on final product.  Post a pic and a recipe and ask specifics.  You will get feedback. 

Invest in your skill and go for it!

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richkaimd

Study bread baking with an expert the way real pros do it:  go to school or at least buy a text book and read it.  If and when you do that all your questions will be answered and you won't have to try to decide which answers on The Fresh Loaf are right or wrong because your expert (the author of the text book) will provide the answers as the pro he or she is.  Many want to learn to bake bread without taking a lesson, thinking that a cookbook's good enough.  I disagree.  Cookbooks are a list a recipes with some lessons thrown in, maybe.  The Bread Baker's Apprentice is an example.  It's great but it only goes so far.  Look at real text books.  They start with the foundational material and build you up, giving you the information in a gradual way with practice sessions and questions based on the chapter  just read.  A textbook is what pros use; why not you?

Look at these two as examples:  DiMuzio's Bread Baking and Hamelman's Bread.  You might find them in your local library.  Both are available at Alibris or Powell's books, at times.  No need to buy a new one much.  Do so if you want, of course.  But choose one and bake your way through it.  Take your time.  What's your hurry?  By the end of a year you'll know more about bread baking than you will by using any other way, even The Fresh Loaf to get your answers. 

I've been baking for decades now.  I learned a lot from cookbooks but every time I took a course or read a textbook I learned so much more quickly and was always surer of the truth of the answers to my questions.   Because of that I had MORE FUN learning.  What could be better?  I sure wish I'd started that way.

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Mini Oven

tell us about where you are in the world and what kind of breads do you see at your local bakery?  

Tell us about the flour you are using?  What is your traditional bread?  

I agree with the others that you are missing the basics.  To answer your Q's 

1) The dough has it's limitations depending on the type of flour your use.  It can only rise a certain height during fermentation before it gets tired, breaks and releases the trapped CO2 gas (the stuff that made it rise) and then falls down on itself.  What you are witnessing with bread falling is this deflating.   When the bread rises and stops it has reached it's limit.  You have two choices, either knock it down and make it rise again and bake it this time before it reaches that "stopping" level or Don't let the dough rise that high in the first place before baking it.  You do want to keep the rising crust from drying out before you get a chance to bake it.  You can figure that part of the finished volume of the loaf is achieved during the final rise, but the rest of the rise will happen in the oven when water in the loaf turns to steam, raising it more.  If you bake the loaf when it is totally stretched out, it won't rise anymore.  If it is doing that, you waited too long to bake the bread. 

2) Bakeries often have access to better and more flavourful flours because they buy in bulk and have larger choices that we do in supermarkets.  Your location will also limit your choices and so will your budget.  One simple solution for home bakers is to find a good tasting flour.  Then let it rise slowly with less yeast than most recipes.  Letting the dough rise slowly brings out flavours hidden in the flour and hidden to those who rush through the dough process. SO what does that mean?  Slow down the fermentation of the dough.  

3)  They use steam in the ovens in the beginning of the bake.  

4)  I've never seen the light brown breads at Tesco so I can't advise you on that one but check the ingredient list.  Something is making the colour.  Read the label and report back.  Yes, darker flours rise less that white ones, most of them anyway.  Good observation!  Most breads contain a mix of different types of flours and it may surprise you, as it did me, that water thinned fermented juice (yeast water) can also change the colour of the crumb, amazingly so.  Yet the flavour tends to be delicate.  Carmel colour is also sometimes added, read the label and lets hope we can pinpoint the culprit. 

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AbeNW11 (not verified)

Flavour comes from fermentation. The longer the fermentation the more flavoursome. Quicker... les flavour. Try this simple recipe with a long fermentation time...

White Four 500g, Water 300g, Salt 7g, Fresh Yeast 1-2g (about the tip of a teaspoon)

Prepare the dough before bed and leave overnight. And now here is the next tip... for a good rise you need good gluten development. Make sure when you're forming the dough you're giving it a good knead and the dough comes together. I'd say a good 10 minutes or as long as 20 minutes. Make sure the dough has good structure. Come next morning de-gas the dough, shape and final proof for about 35 - 40min (or until ready). Then score and bake in a pre-heated oven.

To make sure the dough doesn't crust over too quickly try and get some steam into the oven by preheating a tray placed under the rack the dough rests on. Then just before putting your dough in the oven pour a cup of water into the tray, load the prepared dough and close oven door.

Bake for 30min or until golden brown.

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AbeNW11 (not verified)

make sure you're using a good strong white bread flour.