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Song Of The Baker's picture
Song Of The Baker

Wood Block Working Surface

Does anyone have any experience with working with dough on a wood butcher block work surface?  I don't mean a wood counter top, but a larger wood block that would sit on top of a counter.  I plan to buy a large wood counter top from Ikea, approx. 73 inches x 25 inches, cut it down to approx 36 inches x 25 inches, and use it as my work surface.  I am wondering if the heavy, quick movements of kneading dough would make it slide around on the counter top.  Perhaps gluing some rubber stoppers on the bottom would be necessary?

If anyone has any experience with this, I would appreciate some feedback or tips.

John

Laurentius's picture
Laurentius

A damp towel under it will work just fine.

BobBoule's picture
BobBoule

is a bit smaller than those dimensions and I have no problems with it sliding around while working with my doughs.

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meirp

It has these little plastic vacuum holders nailed to the underside that keep it from sliding.

Song Of The Baker's picture
Song Of The Baker

Great thanks guys.  Great ideas and sounds like it's going to work.

Happy baking.

John

balmagowry's picture
balmagowry

The setup you describe is almost exactly what I use. In my case I happened to have a big solid piece of butcher block that was left over from a friend's kitchen renovation. I put it, NOT on my counter, but on my kitchen table, which is solid and hefty enough to take the weight, and this gives me an ideal surface at a height that works for me from an ergonomic standpoint. (I'm just short enough that kneading dough on my kitchen counter was really hard on my shoulders; the table is several inches lower, and this makes all the difference.)

As for slipping - not an issue in my experience. The board is heavy and it stays put under my most vigorous assault. At first I just placed it directly on the table (surface is also wood), but now I wrap an old beach towel under and over it, so that it is easy to cover - i.e. cat-proof - when not in use. Towel also gathers ambient bits of flour, which ultimately makes cleanup a little more manageable. Doesn't seem to make any difference to stability - the board stays where I put it no matter what. If you're putting it on a very slick countertop I can see where slipping might be an issue. Only one way to find out! If so, maybe some of that rubber matting they sell to put under rugs would be a good solution. I should think that would be enough, given the weight of the block.

I leave this in place most of the time - bake about twice a week, on average - but occasionally take it down to make the full surface of the table available as a prep or eating surface. (And to change/wash the towel.) The board is heavy, so it takes some maneuvering to deploy and put away, but... so worth it. I love love love my improvised bench.

 

Song Of The Baker's picture
Song Of The Baker

Great to hear and thanks for the tips.  I am now very confident that this is what I will be constructing as my work surface.  How thick is the wood block you use?

John

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balmagowry

It's 1-7/8" thick - a great hefty thing. Yours will probably be a bit lighter - I looked at Ikea and theirs are typically 1-1/2" - but still solid enough to do the trick, I'm sure. The surface is 25" x 29" - plenty of working room.

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dabrownman

27" x 44" x 1 1/2" butcher block.  When we got granite counters, it went into the garage.  It is too heavy to move back and forth even though it is so much better for bread making (except laminated dough) than granite.  Wet  paper towels keep it in place no worries.  Stand on a couple of telephone books to get the height right if you aren't making the counter a custom height.

Happy New Year John  

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Song Of The Baker

Thanks dabrowny, Happy New Year to you too.

Granite counter tops is exactly why I want to get this wood block.  I got a nice stainless steel bench scraper, and don't trust it won't damage or take up some of the granite finish over time.  Plus I like the idea of a flour seasoned wood block to work off of instead of cleaning the granite counter top spotless every time.

John

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Janetcook

Make sure when you cut it down that you can fit it in your sink if you ever want to wash its off under running water….I had a large heavy duty cutting board that I loved using but it didn't fit into my double sink so giving it a good wash once in awhile was very awkward.   I now use a heavy duty silicone mat when shaping loaves.  Not the same thing but much more workable.

Enjoy your butcher block.  Wood really is wonderful to work on.

Janet

Song Of The Baker's picture
Song Of The Baker

Ah!  Another factor to take into consideration.  Thanks for that tip.  I don't think I will really want to wash it down with direct water so it won't be much of a problem for me.  I plan on keeping the block in the garage when not in use, so if I ever need to give it a real wash down, I can use the garden hose.

Looking forward to working on the wood surface!

John

balmagowry's picture
balmagowry

it wouldn't be big enough for making bread! Not comfortably, anyway.

I actually do wash mine down a little, on occasion - but all that takes is a damp cloth followed by a dry one. Quick and easy, and no need for running water.

ETA: Love my stainless bench scraper! It gets along really well with the butcher block, too. I probably wouldn't need to wash at all if there weren't a couple of tiny imperfections in the block surface. I should fix those, I guess, but they're not bad enough to impede my bread-making, and washing is no hardship, so for now I have it filed under If It Ain't Broke I Ain't Fixin' It.

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Song Of The Baker

Great news!  Looking forward to using my new bench scraper.  Till now, I have been using a hard plastic wall paper scraper (our business applies vinyl wall covering so why not?  I have dozens of them).

Happy new year and thanks for the comments.

John

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Janetcook

A side line question for you about hygiene….Do you mix lean doughs only hence no concern about build up of 'uninvited guests' on your work surface that occur when mixing enriched doughs that contain milk, eggs and butter?

Janet 

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balmagowry

At least, lately. When I do mix an enriched dough I'll give the bench a pretty serious scrub-down afterward. And then if it's thirsty I'll give it a drink - usually a little bit of coconut oil. It likes that.

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Janetcook

Makes good sense and coconut oil is marvelous stuff.

Janet

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balmagowry

I used to use mineral oil, as a lot of people suggest, and then one day I had one of those forehead-slapping light bulb moments. I work a lot with antique spinning wheels, which are always thirsty because the wood is often old and dry, and I would NEVER use mineral oil on one of those! The simple rule is - animal grease for animal parts (leather bearings and such), mineral oils for metal parts, neutral wood/vegetable oils for wood. Duh. I feed spinning wheels with a paste I make up out of coconut oil and beeswax, sometimes with a little walnut or hazelnut oil mixed in if I have it handy. Obviously I'm not going to put anything strongly-flavored on the dough bench, and I'm not looking to put a shiny impervious finish on it either - plus it's not a senior citizen like some of my 18th- and 19th-C wheels so it doesn't need as much deep feeding - but the general principle still applies, so no more mineral oil! Coconut oil is perfect. Feeds the wood without leaving any obnoxious residue (I rub it down afterward), and doesn't get rancid.

Song Of The Baker's picture
Song Of The Baker

I never really enrich my doughs but perhaps I may from time to time, so this is good to keep in mind.  I will be cleaning and treating it once in a while so it should be fine.  I would not be using this particular board for anything but doughs.  My cutting board for cooking is a separate board altogether.

John

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balmagowry

This block is sacred to dough! I have plenty of cutting boards and such for other purposes - some plastic, some wood, depending - but the dough bench is reserved for Bread Alone. :)

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Mini Oven

Poor wood, confined to the garage between uses where the mice can run all over it.  

I cut a similar Ikea block for my Sil.  A kitchen table/breakfast bar sort of set up and oiled it well after sanding the edges.  The piece we cut off got turned into a cutting board but we drilled holes in the back and it hangs on double headed screws becoming a decorative part of the kitchen.  Might think about hanging it inside or on the end of the counter.  There are some clever hinges out there and you could actually make it flip up out of the way onto a wall (decorative splash board)  or stow outside or inside a lower cupboard.  How about a slide to pull out and flip onto your granite work space?     

I think I could make such a slide for storage inside one of my drawers as the sides of the drawer only rise half way up to the opening.  The drawer face would cover the board end and slide hidden there.  First pull out like it was a secondary drawer then pull out completely or fold out onto the counter top.  Have a shop cut groves into the sides to make or ev. fit a metal slide.

Ikea also has a large countertop cutting board with an edge that hangs over.  One side is flat, the flip side has a juice channel.  It's much lighter than the butcher block if you are moving it around. A sturdy rolling kitchen island? Drop leaf style? 

I don't like kneading on Granite either.  I have a drywall plastic scraper when I must and have a section of Formica.  Hubby wanted granite everywhere but I knew that once we had stone, I could never downgrade or cut out even a section of it once installed.  

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Song Of The Baker

Well, I am glad to say no mice around here!  I know what you mean, but I would get a nice custom cover for it and zip it up.  I believe I already have one, sturdy plastic bag with zipper.

I have been using a similar plastic yellow drywall/wall paper scraper, but when I used it once on the granite, I got paranoid that it was slowly scraping/damaging the finish.  Even if it wasn't, I want to feel confident when using tools, don't want to hold back.  This system will fix all that.

Happy New Year Mini!

John

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Laurentius

Be careful with your cover, especially plastic coated, flour and a little moisture in a seal environment for a few day and it will be covered in mold spores. I think cleaning dust is better, once its mold infected you must use bleach to kill it.

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balmagowry

I'd never cover mine with plastic. Especially here - I live by the ocean, and in the summer we have tremendous humidity and things develop mold at the drop of a hat. But in any case - I just don't think it's a good idea. Wood wants to breathe! I think of it as a living thing, even though of course it isn't growing any more. I put a towel over my board to keep the cats off it, but I store it naked. If it gets dusty I can always wipe it down. It doesn't, though - just doesn't go long enough between uses for that.

Song Of The Baker's picture
Song Of The Baker

The bag is actually perforated, meant to store camping equipment, so air does go through.  I would never store it without wiping it down clean first. 

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theresasc

I use the large Ikea cutting board for kneading and shaping.  It has enough work surface for me yet still fits in my upright storage cabinet along with the baking sheets, racks, and other large cutting boards.

 

Song Of The Baker's picture
Song Of The Baker

Great!  Now I am very confident of this set up.  Thanks and happy backing in the new year.

John

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Song Of The Baker

as i was saying.....

Now I am very confident that this set up will work...happy baking in the new year.

John

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billy1951

Sorry to come late into the discussion - only just registered on the site today !

I use a butcher's block from IKEA, 19 x14 inches. Along one long edge I screwed a length of wood of about 2 in. x 3/8 in. section. The bottom of the wood strip is well below the bottom face of the block, and the top of the wood strip is below the level of the top surface of the block.

In use, the block goes on our kitchen table. The edge stops any movement forward under kneading action, and a thin mat of silicon non-slip material also goes under the block, to hold it against any other movements.

I really like using natural wood, the stainless steel dough scraper works very well with it as noted above, and I like to think it's a bit of a "warmer" surface for bread than some other materials. The block never ever gets used for cutting and is stored naked in the house between uses (no pets). The 19 x 14 size of my block may be a bit on the small side but to be honest I wouldn't want it much heavier.

Adrian

 

 

 

 

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Song Of The Baker

Thanks for the post Adrian and welcome to the site.

Looks like you have a great set up.  Looking forward to getting a wood block and joining the club!

Happy baking.

John