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dandilion's picture
dandilion

starter help

Hi all - I'm a newbie here and would love any words of advice. Last weekend I made my first sourdough starter...made it with brown rice flour (trying to keep it gluten free) and spring water (1/2 cup flour and 1/3 cup water). Fed it every 12 hours and things looked good. Not real bubbly but it was consistently rising well. This morning (day 7) I checked on it and it had done nothing over night...no bubbles, no rise. I hadn't changed anything with the last feed so I'm very confused what might have happened to it? I fed it again this morning and then again 8 hours later. It still hasn't done anything today... but it does have about 1/2 inch hooch? on the top. Any ideas for me?? I hate to think its dead but...??

Thanks for any insight!!

ElPanadero's picture
ElPanadero

What temperature have you been keeping the starter at?

What's the general weather like at the moment where you live?

There's a good resource here about gluten free starters
http://dontwastethecrumbs.com/2013/07/how-to-make-a-gluten-free-sourdough-starter/

PaddyL's picture
PaddyL

Try stirring it as often as you can.  One of my starters refused to do anything until I started stirring it every time I walked by and it bubbled right up.

dandilion's picture
dandilion

Thanks for the replies...We are in  Southern California and our home has been between 70-80 this past week. Thank you for the link and suggestion to stir...I will give it a try...

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

but what ones go through  a dormant phase a about day 3-4, maybe rise is later.  I also think you are feeding it too much causing it to be weaker and weaker,  Stir it up and don;t feed it for a day and see what happens.  If there isn't any activity the food isn't being eaten because there aren't enough wee beasties, so let them gobble up the food and increase in numbers,

Maybe one of our resident experts on these things, Mini Oven, will chime it later

Mini Oven's picture
Mini Oven

or a rice paddy legend.

I seem to recall (will have to go looking for it) that rice is rather difficult to safely ferment spontaneously due to the types of bacteria on it.  That is what worries me about a rice starter that was rising.  Should it be?  Lowering pH should be done from the onset and test no higher than 5.  This also brings me around to the practice of washing rice, spices and tea, a common practice in Asia.  Wash off the dust and dirt with cold water before soaking in hot water or using.  

Rice takes readily to being inoculated though.  So my suggestion would be to inoculate rice flour from a stable bread rising yeast/bacteria source and then continue feeding it rice to 100% pure. Start a wheat or rye starter first and then after two weeks, switch it to rice.

To check for gas, a by-product of fermentation (the starter will not rise) it will bubble so cover culture with an inflated bag so you can see it inflate with gasses.  Deflate bag between stirs and when checking on the starter.

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Maverick

I agree with Mini. While maintaining a gluten-free sourdough is the same as any other sourdough, creating one is not the same. I suggest buying a dry gluten-free starter to begin with. I know KAF sells one (it is not vegetarian though):

http://www.kingarthurflour.com/shop/items/french-sourdough-starter-5g

dandilion's picture
dandilion

Okay thanks all. I did pick up a starter this morning from our local health food store... I'll give that a go and see if I can convert it once it's stable. Thank you!!

dandilion's picture
dandilion

And I'll keep the original around a few days longer to see what it does. I stirred it a bit ago and noticed that it smells better (it was a bit smelly the last few days). Today the smell is less strong and more like a sourdough smell. It has a few bubbles in it but its still not rising. I'll start a new wheat based one also and see how that goes.

Mini Oven's picture
Mini Oven

rising is caused by gas being trapped by gluten, no gluten > no rise  

dandilion's picture
dandilion

Ah, got it. Which is why you were worrried about the fact it was rising earlier in the week.  Hmm...

Mini Oven's picture
Mini Oven

Without sending it to a lab, I would hesitate to use it, even if it appears normal.  I just would not risk it.  But Kudos for doing it, you have some experience under your belt!  That takes patience and sticking power.  :)  

Let us know how the inoculation goes.