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Any specials for senior citizens on a Bosch

chetc's picture
chetc

Any specials for senior citizens on a Bosch

I am about ready to make the purchase on a Bosch Universal Plus mixer, but a question that I may get an answer, are there any dealers who offer specials to senior ctiizens.

 

   thanks

       Chet

 

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sheffield (not verified)

and ask.  

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johnr55

I'm retired myself, so no disrespect intended:  if you're senior, do you need a Universal Plus?  The Compact at about half the price is just as capable in smaller capacities (say, 3 loaf bread recipes or less) and has all the same quality of attachments.  How do I know? I own a Universal, but also own two Compacts, one of which I've had since 'way back in the 90's.  The blender, slicer, food processor, meat grinder - I've got them all for both.  The Compact is a superb machine, far above any Chinese KA.  I've made dozens and dozens of loaves of all types of bread with them, cakes galore, cookies all over the place.  A new Compact is much less money.  You just might want to make certain you're not buying capacity you don't need.  Do you need to make 8-9 loaves of bread at a time?  I've owned Universals since the 70's and I can count on the fingers of one hand the time I actually needed all that capacity.  I ordinarily make only two loaves at a time.  I just like appliances, and I won't deny it! 

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chetc

HI John

Glad you replied, I have never seen a Universal plus  but from talking to people I feel it is on the border line, my main dough batches are 3 loaves of bread 9- 10 cups flour, or my double batch of sicilian dough for pizza weighs 48oz as of now I am getting by with a old 2 lb capacity bread machine to do my kneading, yesterday I made 2 loaves of honey whole wheat bread, that was 2 1/2 cups WW flour and 5 cups AP flour, the thing is John. what I am afraid is If I went with the Bosch Compact, I hope I am not going to go backwards in capacity vs my bread machine 7-8 cup flour capacity, to be honest if the compact wast a 6 qt bowl I would jump on it, hoping it would hold up better than the Kitchen Aids, don't want to work on them after a few heavy dough mixing batches,  I am not thrilled on the kneading concept of the Universal plus dough hook design, they say it works great, to me I am still in doubt, I hear some users complaining they don't mix properly ect, now they may be great, but if I had a chance to try one then I would decide, but I don't want to buy one and be unhappy,  since you own a Compact can it handle 10 cups of flour without the bowl over flowing or any stainging on the drive train,  never saw a compact either.

 

  Chet

 

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johnr55

I'm obviously misreading this situation.  When you began asking about senior citizen discounts, as someone on a fixed income myself, I was thinking you were wanting to look at saving money.  Apparently not - so why ask for a price break?  Or are you in some kind of business?  If you're a senior you must be feeding the hoardes or are awfully constipated with all those loaves.  When I suggested a Compact I was thinking that 2 loaf recipes would be sufficient.  If you're wanting to crank out more than that then, yes, I'd get a Universal or an Electrolux.  I own both and have for many, many years.  However, if I were starting over at my age now I'd go with the Compact because I simply don't need (knead?) that much bread.  And yes, BTW, I own two Compacts also-I am an old appliance freak.  As to what you say about whether the dough hook works or not, I can't say anything that would convince you, that sixty-plus years of users being happy wouldn't already do.  Please understand, though, that I'm not into romantic bread, where one sits and oohs and ahhs over a loaf of bread.  I love baking and baking bread and have for decades, and these machines make my success with it easier.  There's no way in h-ll that I'd spend a couple of thousand Dollars to have a spiral bread kneader or any of that.  That really gets into eccentricity unless it generates revenue.

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chetc

John

 

    No romantic breads, business.or generating a revenue ect,  as for the Compact would 10 cups be a bit much for it. as for  price break, simple, Senior citizens get a price break here & there, If you don't ask you lose.I would like to see a Univerdal plus test, example a white flour be mixed and a food color added after 5 min of kneading, to see what is going on with that type of dough hook, coming off of an mech engineer field that puzzles me.

 

  Chet

 

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johnr55

Since obviously price isn't really the issue here, why don't you fly into Salt Lake City and go to one of the brick and mortar dealers over there?  I'm sure they'd be happy to arrange a demo for you if you don't have a local Bosch rep.

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chetc

I'll pass on the Salt Lake city trip, you sort of got off topic, did you miss your meds.

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johnr55

No, Chet, I did not "sort of get off topic" - you are having a senior moment.  Bosch has actual dealers there for someone who is so anal they want to put food color in a mixer to watch it go around.  And no, I don't believe in taking senior discounts simply because they are there.  When you do that, you are costing others more.  And don't give me the crap about mech engineering, I come from a chem engineering background.  Try that on someone else.

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chetc

HMMM OK Chem's eh, we'll leave it that

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owlsprings

Hi Chet. 

You have probably looked at the video demonstrations on youtube, etc. I gather from reading the exchanges on this thread that you would prefer to actually have a hands on trial with something you are considering as an investment, and equally interested to find the best price point available. I don't think these are unreasonable requests. But unless you can find someone locally who actually owns the equipment and will let you try out your tests, I'm doubtful that you'll get the opportunity. I imagine that you have tried Craigs List or perhaps asked local bakeries, supermarkets, restaurants, etc. I do know that Breadtopia sells the universal model for $419.99 and they have a video demonstration at www.Breadtopia.com. Pleasant Hill Grain company sells the universal for $419.99 and the compact model for $199.99. (www.Pleasanthillgrain.com) Pleasant Hill has an 800 # and they encourage customers to call and inquire about anything. (1-800-321-1073). Both companies are in the Midwest so it would be central time zone. I haven't had any dealings with either company so I can't vouch for them. It is frustrating trying to locate and purchase specialty items especially when so much commerce is conducted via the internet. And when you reach "senior" status, it is difficult to think about investing in high ticket items which will probably outlast you (or you hope they will). Good Luck with your search.  Thomas.

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chetc

HI Thomas

 Actually there is a dealer about 90 miles from home, he has one he uses at the supply house, where he sells them, we discussed a few tech questions, since he sells both types of mixers,  he offered to come and try it, so I may take him up on his offer, he seemed pleasant and honest to say the other brand mixer such as the spiral & planetary types are very efficient with any size batches, hydration's ect,  and the Universal Plus does like a sweet spot on the volume of the dough batch, I expected that. I will post back here after I give it a shot.

     Chet

 

 

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owlsprings

Hey Chet.

Great news on finding an honest source that is willing to accommodate your test drive.  Like many people, I'm presently not looking to buy a new mixer but I may need to in the future and your conclusions would be a valuable contribution I'm sure. I am especially intrigued by what your food coloring test will demonstrate about a machine's ability to incorporate ingredients. One final note of consideration. You may already be aware of this, but it seems that the standard issue universals and compacts do not come with a stainless steel bowl. Those are listed separately with the various attachments, and cost a considerable amount of money. I don't know if that would even be an issue with most consumers. Best of luck Chet, and I look forward to your future posting. 

Thomas.

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shastaflour

Chet,

It's fantastic that you have someone within 100 miles that will let you check out the mixers in person. The other alternative would be to order from someone like Gisele at www.mountaintopsmilling.com. She has a gracious return policy. Wish we'd known about her before ordering, though Pleasant Hill is good to work with also. (I have no affiliation with either.)

We ordered a U+ because we knew it did a good job and didn't know about anything else! (In retrospect, I think the Compact would have served us well. On the other hand, it's nice to know that if I ever wanted to start baking to sell, I could.) 

By the way, the U+ does beautifully with a batch as small as 2 lbs (as in 2, 1-lb loaves). I haven't actually tried one loaf's worth. Maybe I should one of these days.

Now wouldn't a senior discount be sweet? It's worth asking for. :)

- Marguerite

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chetc

Hi Marguerite

 

     Thank you for the kind words, I am sure there are alot of happy Plus owners, I might be one as well, and as for asking about a senior discount, I did get some responses that were positive, I was called into work for next week, I work part time from my workplace where I retired, so I will get to the dealer the following week for a demo & trying this mixer out.

 

    Chet