January 10, 2012 - 11:34am

Heavy Bread
Currently using morphy richards 48220 breadmaker and the recipies book included for a basic white bread loaf.
My problem is that loaf is not rising to level of baking tin and has a quality nearer to cake than bread.
Any thoughts or suggestions greatly appreciated




And what's the recipe? and please do tell us more about the flour being used. ;)
Welcome to TFL!
Thank you for the welcome!
Recipe set out below:
Basic white bread
Ingredients Small Large
Water 3/4 cup 11/8 cups
Skimmed milk powder 2 tbsp 21/2 tbsp
Butter 2 tbsp 21/2 tbsp
Sugar 11/4 tbsp 21/4 tbsp
Salt 1 tsp 11/4 tsp
Strong white flour 2 cups 3 cups
Dry yeast 1 tsp 11/4 tsp
Use setting 1 2 or 3
Flour is Allinson Strong White Bread Flour - http://www.allinsonflour.co.uk/products/strong-white-bread-flour.html
Yeast is Asda Easy bake Yeast and is for use by July 2013
http://groceries.asda.com/asda-estore/catalog/sectionpagecontainer.jsp?skuId=910000448597&departmentid=1214921923813&aisleid=1214921925099&startValue=&referrer=cookiesDetecting
Thanls
Bryan
Have you checked the date on your yeast and proofed it to make sure it's ok? But yes....do share the recipe.
Thanks for the response,
Yeast is Asda Easy bake Yeast and is for use by July 2013
http://groceries.asda.com/asda-estore/catalog/sectionpagecontainer.jsp?skuId=910000448597&departmentid=1214921923813&aisleid=1214921925099&startValue=&referrer=cookiesDetecting
Recipe set out below:
Basic white bread
Ingredients Small Large
Water 3/4 cup 11/8 cups
Skimmed milk powder 2 tbsp 21/2 tbsp
Butter 2 tbsp 21/2 tbsp
Sugar 11/4 tbsp 21/4 tbsp
Salt 1 tsp 11/4 tsp
Strong white flour 2 cups 3 cups
Dry yeast 1 tsp 11/4 tsp
Use setting 1 2 or 3
Flour is Allinson Strong White Bread Flour - http://www.allinsonflour.co.uk/products/strong-white-bread-flour.html
Yeast is Asda Easy bake Yeast and is for use by July 2013
http://groceries.asda.com/asda-estore/catalog/sectionpagecontainer.jsp?skuId=910000448597&departmentid=1214921923813&aisleid=1214921925099&startValue=&referrer=cookiesDetecting
Thanls
Bryan
Just trying to read the recipe easier, hope you don't mind... Please correct the cup sizes if your cup is different.
Basic white bread:
Small Large
Water 3/4 cup 178g 1 1/8 cups 266g
Skim milk pwd 2 tbsp 2 1/2 tbsp
Butter 2 tbsp 2 1/2 tbsp
Sugar 1 1/4 tbsp 2 1/4 tbsp
Salt 1 tsp 1 1/4 tsp
Strong white flour 2 cups 250g 3 cups 375g
Dry yeast 1 tsp 3.3g 1 1/4 tsp
So with using one or the other recipe we have 71% hydration based on a 125g cup of flour & 237g cup of water. Yeast is just under 1.4% of the flour.
That would be a lightly spooned and leveled dry measuring cup. One difference could be a heavy measured cup, with the powdered milk making a firm dough. Why bread flour is used is beyond me, try mixing half bread with all purpose flour and see what happens. (only make one change at a time with each bake) (first loaf) My thoughts are that 71% hydration is rather wet but adding the bread flour weight (130g cup) brings it down to about 68% and the powdered milk soaks up water as well so it is more in the neighborhood of 66%. The texture you describe does sound wet, how was the sliced bread moisture?
The yeast seems a bit much to me and increases a whole gram more than the 1.4% with the larger recipe. Dough machines are sensitive to too much yeast a very common problem with bread machines. Very often only a reduction in yeast solves the problem. Is there a way to watch the dough rise through a window? If so take notes and watch the dough rise and fall during the process. If the bread is baked after it has fallen and there seems to be no time for it to recover, then there is too much yeast and amount needs to be reduced. Reduce yeast as a second correction (second loaf) to see what happens keeping all of the bread flour. If the loaf improves, then try using reduced yeast with half bread half all purpose flour (third loaf) to see if it improves further.
By the way, did you try the small or the large recipe?
Try also reducing the sugar in a loaf to just a teaspoon per cup of flour or eliminate it altogether. (fourth and fifth loaves) Make comparisons to the other loaves.
Have fun wearing out the machine, Mini :)
into my search machine and came up with trouble shooting tips Q&A type stuff HERE. There are other sites as well. Does your recipe book list grams? I did see a question answered that when the dough was too wet, to reduce the water by 20g (one tablespoon + one teaspoon) with each bake until the loaf "stays up." (What to do with the bricks was not mentioned.) That was under a comment about the loaf falling while baking, to me that spells "over-proofed" as well.
Yes, reducing water might help (because the dryer the dough, the slower the fermentation) or reducing the yeast (also slows fermentation by reducing the yeastie beastie numbers) so a choice is up to you. Try both and see what works for you.
I did notice that the Allinson flour is considered an all purpose flour even at 12% protein and added gluten. Thanks for the links.