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You know you're a breadmaker when.....

spsq's picture

You know you're a breadmaker when.....

Just for fun, finish the sentence:

You know you're a true breadmaker when...

.... you time your morning run around your bread rising.

.... you have an entire shelf of your pantry devoted to flours.

.... you think making a 4 hour yeasted bread instead of using your starter is "cheating".

.... you consider store bought, sliced white bread to be a freak of nature.

..... you own, or have borrowed from the library, every single one of the bread books advertised on this site.

crumb bum's picture
crumb bum

Great thread


Your 2 year old can says the word "artisan" when refering to bread.

You dissect every bread recipie you see and convert it to bakers %

Scoff at Jack in the Boxes fake ciabatta burgers.

You feed your starter before yourself in the morning.

Da Crumb Bum

SDbaker's picture

Crumb the breakfast line!

 SD Baker

browndog's picture

King Arthur, and Monty Python is the second thing you think of---you can't leave home without finding a piece of dried dough stuck to you SOMEWHERE---you see a picture of somebody else's dough rising, and it makes you feel happy, and a little jealous...

zolablue's picture

...and you can't get to sleep at night because you're thinking about your starter and timing the next bake. 

...You're out to dinner and you can't stop thinking about your starter, lovingly, I might add.

...You're at the movie theater, thinking about your starter, again, lovingly (lol) and modifying recipes in your head.

...You're planning the next bread you wish to bake and meticulously trying to plan your schedule around it.

...You decide to finally put your starter into the fridge but realize you really feel something is missing when you didn't have to feed it on your regular schedule.  Get it out the next day, feed and feel lots better.  Ahhhh...

...You dream about huge containers for more flour.

...You dream at night (literally) about baking bread and, of course, your starter. :o)

ehanner's picture

When you have more pictures on your camera of starters and bread than of your kids!

You can't remember your kids name but mistakenly call him by your WW starters name!

You remember the first time you heard bread sing! (crackle)

Felt like a goof when defending white bread!

Bear08's picture

I recently saw a test screening of the new Pixar movie Ratatouille. There is a scene where the symphonic qualities (the crackle) of bread are mentioned. It made me chuckle and think of this site.

DrPr's picture

You mean I'm not the only one who names the starter?? :-D

breadnerd's picture


- You plan your meals around the bread you want to bake this week

- Friends/family apologize to you for serving "wonder" type bread and/or expect you to bring your own when you visit.

-  Definitely agree with the "find dough stuck on your clothes" and also flour on the front of your shirt.

- Oh and there's a fine layer of flour dust in hard to reach places in your kitchen that you only notice when your dog is trying to lick under the cabinet.... 

- You can't remember the last time your bought bread.

- Even after a few hundred loaves your find yourself making "awww" and cooing noises when you peek in the oven halfway through baking...

- Relatedly, you make scoffing and/or clucking noises at the "french bread" at the grocery store bakery AND Bonus Points if your family members also make disparaging comments! 

- You have an excel spreadsheet with all your favorite formulas so you can make whatever batch size you want--wait, maybe that's just nerdy me!





Sylviambt's picture

(Oh, my gosh. This feels like bread-aholics anonymous.)


- Having only 10 lbs of flour in the cupboard makes you anxious

- Co-workers silently nod to one another when you pull out a sandwich made with a crusty French pain au levain

- Your family expects - and gets - a verdict whenever you eat out

- You travel halfway across the country to visit family and the first thing your sister says as she loads luggage into the trunk is "and this weekend, you'll make some bread"

- your husband feels neglected if there aren't at least two loaves on the sideboard

- you will get up at 2 a.m. to (silently, guiltily) tend to a batch of dough

- the dogs come running when they hear you pick up the bread knife

- your runaway dog returns home when you yell "BREAD"





Bobby's picture

I would also like to see your spread sheets, if your feeling generous.

cej2's picture

- your runaway dog returns home when you yell "BREAD"the dogs come running when they hear you pick up the bread knife

This happens at my house. I yell bread to get my dog to come in. I am laughing ...I relate to so many of these posts.


Rosalie's picture

Is the dog's name "Bread" or does he only think it is?

Has anyone named their pet for bread?  Pumpernickel?  Semolina?  Sourdough?  Yeastie?  Gluten?  Baguette (for a dachshund maybe)?  Boule (for a chunky one, like one of my cats)?


syllymom's picture

Ooo... can you share your spreadsheets?

(PS.  my oven has been out of service for the past week... I'm dying here.)

mse1152's picture
mse1152 try all kinds of different lighting exposures to photograph your latest loaf search the web to find all the latest bread porn scan all your bread books to find a one-day recipe you can squeeze in somewhere find ways to include 'diastatic malt' in everyday conversation

...the family loves whatever you bake, but you know it's not good enough yet

Trishinomaha's picture

"you scan all your bread books to find a one-day recipe you can squeeze in somewhere"...

That was exactly me on Saturday morning - kicking myself for not making a poolish on Friday night...


verminiusrex's picture
verminiusrex go to Sam's Club and come home with 100 lbs of flour (25 lb bread flour, 25 lb all purpose flour, and 50 lb high gluten flour, because high gluten doesn't come in 25 lb bags and bread doesn't come in 50 lb bags) bake more bread than your household can really eat, but there are always friends willing to take some off your hands bring someone a loaf of bread as a gift, and have extra bread knives to go with them (thank you Dollar Store!) kind of snort when you see a quickbread recipe and think "Whimp!" have more than 1.5 lbs of instant yeast in your house most of the time can't justify spending $2500 on that 1951 Chevy that you lust after, but that $2000 wood burning bread oven kit is still looking pretty good make 10 lbs of dough in one batch, just because your new mixer says it can (it says up to 15 lbs, but I'm working up to it)

...your guests are suprised when there aren't fresh loaves of bread waiting for them. spent more on bread baking supplies in the last year than you did clothing your children (to be fair, my parents buy all the kids clothing, so I kinda cheated on that one)


spsq's picture

You guys are hilarious!  There are so many points here that I can relate to that I'm embarassed - and I'm just a beginner!  I don't have the bread yet, but I've got the obsessing part down pat!

Susan's picture

How did you folks all get in my head?

My name is Susan and I am a Breadhead...

KNEADLESS's picture

Half the freezer is taken up with ziplock bags of sliced bread---but you are baking more today because you can't wait to try that new method you saw in The Freshloaf.


You are thinking of buying a second freezer!



firepit's picture

- It's been months since you used the word flour without at least one adjective in front of it.

- You scan this website anxiously waiting for the next "BBA vs. Glezer" recipe challenge thread.

- You know how to pronounce the word couche.

- Your friends have stopped asking for you to share your recipes because everything is in grams.


Trishinomaha's picture

How DO you pronunce couche.? I ended up at DON"T go


firepit's picture

To be honest, I don't know (but I figured that anyone who did must be a bread maker). 

My ignorance on this issue coupled with my pride/fear of looking dumb has prevented me from asking if any of the local kitchen stores sell them.

From what I've seen it appears to be "coo-shay",  but if anyone else has real knowledge of this pressing issue...


JMonkey's picture

"Coucher" is pronouced "coo-shay" and means "to sleep" or "to get in bed" though it has also taken on a much more carnal meaning as well. Thus, the raunchy site you found.

Couche is "coosh" and derives from the verb. Basically a place for the dough to rest.

leemid's picture

or is it toosh?

JMonkey's picture

JIP's picture

So I guess I am not the only one who has worn out their library card.

My wufe says I have a problem but thats dosen't stop her from eating the bread 

Well at least I have baked something besides bread lately

spsq's picture

My first thought was:  "Those cookies look fabulous - like they're store bought!"


I bet they taste better, though!

pseudobaker's picture

Thank you - your pile of books gave me some new titles to search in my library's database!!

grrranimal's picture

...huh?  huh?

They look great.  I'm keen to compare with the recipe I've been using for 20 years. 

Prandium longa. Vita brevis.

Mini Oven's picture
Mini Oven

I've no library and I love cookies!  Mini Oven

edh's picture

This thread is brilliant (and a little scary)!

 ....when your only birthday present to your brother is to send him the link to The Fresh Loaf and

....when your husband asks what you want for your birthday, all you can think of is scales and bread books.

It's both a relief and a little disturbing to find that every point made above applies to oneself!


TinGull's picture

How about when you find yourself driving over 3 hours to buy 50 pound bags of KA flour because no other food supplier near you carries it?  Or spending each night reading a little bit of a bread book while your partner reads a romance novel?  



TinGull's picture

Ah, even better...You know you're a breadmaker when you trade hard red winter wheat on the Chicago Board of Trade (agriculture futures market).   :)

tigressbakes's picture

you know you are a breakbaker when you are away from your kitchen for three weeks and a week before you get home - because you just can't stand it anymore - you go on the King Arthur site and order $50 worth of all different kinds of flours and grains - just to make sure you'll have it when you get home!

oh, and there will be a couple more bread books wating for me in an amazon box when I get home too.

 (all I can say is at least it beats race car driving - that would be a REALLY expensive hobby, and more dangerous,  although the steaming process is a bit parilous at times!)

tigressbakes's picture

those cookies looks so good I would eat the whole batch if they were in front of me right now!

JIP's picture

Well they (the cookies) are a slightly modified recipe from the Cook's Illustrated Baking Illustrated book.  The best part about them is instead of the standard 1T measurement for the dough to shape the cookies it uses 1/4 cup.

Sam-I-Am's picture

...when your shirts don't stay clean for more than about 3 hours after you put them on. They have starter, flour, dough, or all of the above on them because you were so involved in massaging dough that you forgot your apron.

*Looks at her shirt* yes, I think I am on my way to becoming a breadmaker :) 

Thegreenbaker's picture

*laughs so hard tears roll down her face*


This is SOOOOOO hilarious!

I am not an artisan baker yet, but I have been know to dance with my bread on occasion (well a little more frequently), AND can relate to almost all of those comments!

My Partner refers to The Fresh Loaf as "Nadias Bread Porn Website"

If he walks past the PC and sees me on it and if there is a picture of bread he always says, "She's at it again....bread porn"

I have a flickr site dedicated only to my bread addiction and photo folders only of bread. :)  

My name is Nadia, and I am a breahaholic.



junglis's picture

- you have a separate hamper for floured drenched white clothing.

- your hands have calouses in the shape of a hearth oven peel handle.

- your friends have flour on their clothing from coming within five yards of you.

- the bread you make CUTS YOUR HANDS when handled.

sadears's picture



your sister invites you over for Easter dinner and says "can you bring some French bread with you?"  Not, "have you baked bread lately."  No.  She just assumed I had.  She did this today, I have some dough resting as I type this.


Too scary.  I'm a novice and I can relate to almost everything posted here.



subfuscpersona's picture

LOL, I can relate to *everything* others posted! A few more...


> you can't fit anything in your freezer because it is full of speciality whole grain flours and frozen preferments

> you *seriously* consider spending $3000 on a new stove just to have a better oven for baking

> you spend your time on the web looking up the specs for flours marketed to professional bakers

> you won't even try a bread recipe (much less buy a baking book) unless it gives the ingredients by weight (rather than by volume)

> you consider your bench scraper an essential kitchen tool

and last, but most important, you make bread because, well, you just like to! Friends, family, co-workers, neighbors are the recipients of your loaves. Isn't it nice that we're such a sharing bunch!

redivyfarm's picture

if you find yourself so wrapped up in your passion for breadmaking that you forget to eat.  That reminds me, I've been meaning to grab a sandwich.

staff of life's picture
staff of life

Oooh, I'm loving this!

I have one (and it points to my lack of attention doing laundry):

Your mate complains of tiny grayish bits of dough stuck to all his/her laundry, and although you suffer from the same, you don't mind a bit.

 Oh, and, you don't mind running a few errands in town with flour on your clothes, because that shows you're a baker!

breadnerd's picture

You know you're a breadbaker...


when your mate complains that there's no bread in the house. There is, in fact:

bagels, scones, AND Pitas (and french baguettes in the freezer I was saving for dinner)


but NO, you know, BREAD, in the house.


He thought it was funny too :)

Cliff Johnston's picture
Cliff Johnston

You know you're a true breadmaker when:

-your wife schedules her activities and social life around your breadmaking.

-your daughter calls to find out when the next loaf will be ready to slice

-your son decides to call a date and tell her that he'll be late because a loaf of bread will be coming out of the oven in just a few minutes...

-your son's girlfriend asks to come over for some fresh baked bread... 

-the neighbor comes over because he caught a whiff of bread baking, again...

-the dogs start fighting over the crust

-you decide that TV commercials need to be longer so that you can knead the dough longer

-you buy a kitchen with a pass-through so that you can see the TV while you prepare your bread dough - incidentally a new house came with the kitchen...

-the new range/oven unit that you want costs over $5,000 and your wife doesn't object.  She just wants to know how soon it will arrive...

Cliff. Johnston
"May the best you've ever seen,
 Be the worst you'll ever see;"
from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay

Paddyscake's picture

Gee..good for you, how nice

Mini Oven's picture
Mini Oven

°Your partner comes within view of your laptop screen and you find yourself turning it sideways to block his view of yet another picture of bread!  ..And you tell him it's a screen saver.    Closet baker?

°In my case, you want to throw egg whites into everything you bake because it's become a habbit.

°Your partner asks if you have any money and smiles after you reply,  "got no money, honey, but I got the bread"    

staff of life's picture
staff of life

Another devotee: 

A friend told me that she was disappointed when she went into (2 weeks overdue) labor with her fourth child: she was enjoying using her new sourdough starter too much.

audra36274's picture

I overheard the neighborhood talking about us, that we were that weird family who has doesn't have even storebought bread. They have to make their own, and some of it had HORSE FEED on it! (oats and grains I assume?)


breadnerd's picture

And you probably feel bad for the neighbors for eating storebought bread!


Gotta love neighbors....I'm sure ours think we're crazy too! :) 

audra36274's picture

then who'd we give all that bread to! We can't eat it all! And we can't stop making just one more recipe . It's a disease! An addiction! I get it right just enough times to keep me going. Isn't it nice to have the fresh loaf, so that we know there are others out there just like us!  Happy Baking!

Cliff Johnston's picture
Cliff Johnston

...carbohydrate addiction.  Some are more susceptible than others.  Those who are borderline diabetics and diabetics suffer the worst - I'm a borderline diabetic.  Love that homemade bread!

Cliff. Johnston
"May the best you've ever seen,
 Be the worst you'll ever see;"
from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay

JIP's picture

.......When your first stop when you log on the web is The Fresh Loaf.

And your second is Dan Lepard's site.

Dutchbaker's picture

...Your 7 year old son names your sourdough starter "Perky", and he reminds you to feed it like it's the family pet.

wendyshum's picture

I went to grocery store very available lunchtime to look for different types of flour.

Ask my friend to bring back flour everywhere from the world. 

test and try different recipes and dispatch all the end product to friends for comments.

That's my living!

KipperCat's picture

Your husband sees you buying so much flour, he suggests that the bottom 30 inches of the new pantries be devoted to huge flour bins... and instead of rolling your eyes at his intended sarcasm you take him seriously ... and go on to explain that most of your flours need to be stored in the fridge, but that when you get your grain mill that would be a great place to store the wheat kernels.


Rosalie's picture

I live alone and eat most of my own bread.  So I scheme to make smaller loaves so I can eat fresh bread just about daily (but not get fat).  Also, I just went online and ordered 75 pounds of whole grains.  And, yes, is a several-times-a-day indulgence.


Jeffrey's picture

Birds and squirrels hang out where you toss the scraps

Thomas Mc's picture
Thomas Mc

Your neighbor puts up a squirrel feeder, to try and entice some of those squirrels over to his yard.

(As if they would actually prefer peanuts and corn to day old bread!)

Larry Clark's picture
Larry Clark

while you're on vacation, you stop into every bakery you see.

josordoni's picture

But Larry....


I did that before I started baking!!

Now, I spend more time on holiday looking at the foreign types of flour available in the supermarkets.

Oldcampcook's picture

when I sat down at my home computer this morning and there was a hunk of dried starter on the chair.

When even your girl friend puts flour at the top of the shopping list ahead of 'food".

 STOP!  You guys are killing me.


LisaPA's picture

I'm new at this, but the obsession is already clear to others:

-My co-workers are surprised when the baked goods in the kitchen weren't made by me.

-I am expected to bake for co-workers birthdays: cinnamon rolls, cake, etc.

-I owe a co-worker bagels. I promised I'd share, then I kept them all for myself and lied and told him they didn't come out well.

-My boyfriend doesn't think it's weird that bread can't be sliced and pizza can't be cut until I've taken a picture. The other night, he stopped me before I took a bite of burger on a homemade bun and said, "You should take a picture of that."

-You're planning your next baking project while the current dough is rising.

-You promised yourself no more baking on weeknights. You immediately broke the rule 3 days later, but thought it wasn't that bad because you pulled the bread out of the oven at midnight.

SallyBR's picture

Yes, you do qualify!  With honors!

KipperCat's picture

You've just baked 3 entirely different breads, and are sorry that you don't have time for that last formula you want to try.


slidething's picture

 Your nickname was "slidething" becauce you play guitar and do a lot of slide style blues ~~ BUT lately it`s cuz you have a peel in your hands instead of a guitar - LOL have 8 guitars and 4 different peels - the better half likes the peels - she says they are cheaper to buy -

My lap-top went from guitar related to bread related sites.


grrranimal's picture
grrranimal go to the hardware store for paint and screws and whatnot, but your wife ends up buying all the manly stuff while you're in the hand tools section considering which ones would make good dough implements. consider those little sachets of instant yeast to be insultingly small. spend several hours on the web searching for the perfect mixing bowl for your next birthday...which is 8 months away. 

Prandium longa. Vita brevis.

browndog's picture

My dogs recycle quite a lot of my bread-- they are tuned to the sound of a bread knife too. I dice up old bread and leave it to dry for mini-treats, and my homemade dog biscuits always include a generous dollop of starter discard, as well as the occasional mush made of 'failed' bread (thanks for the tip Mini Oven!)

pjaj's picture

There's no such thing as failed bread, just you ended up with a different loaf than you intended. You can be pretty certain that somebody somewhere deliberately bakes them like that for one reason or another!

Mini Oven's picture
Mini Oven

who had delayed mourning when a small building was torn down and leveled. When you were offered free bricks for your garden sidewalk, the foundation was only knee high and then you found out it was the old villiage bakery!

cej2's picture

My dogs also come to "PIZZA" They love the edge pieces.

mkelly27's picture

We call those "Pizza Bones", the dog begs for them 


Two wrongs don't make a right. Three lefts make a right

browndog's picture

Your dogs tell you they love the edges, but my money says they'd rather have the middle...

KipperCat's picture

We had a cat who loved the meats and cheese off pizza.  While he usually was happy with a bite or two, one day he wouldn't quit asking.  So DH gave him a bell pepper and he loved it!  He also loved the onions.  In later years he developed digestive problems and the vet told him he'd have to give up beer & pizza.

Btw, please don't give your cat onion. Every little bit of onion destroys some white blood cells.  We found that out later. 

aladenzo's picture

... you're thinking what bread to bake tomorrow, eventhough you haven't actually started baking some for today....

 ... you noticed since you started baking, your family hasn't bought any bread from the store...

... you look in the mirror and wonder if you're starting to look like a bread...


KipperCat's picture

Ouch!  I resemble that remark...

Oldcampcook's picture

I just inventoried today.

I have dough or flour on my cell phone and my house phone.  My brother invariably calls when I am mixing.

I have flour on my mouse, from running back to Floyd's recipe for blueberry cream cheese braided bread to check my braiding techniques.  Mine suck!  But the bread was good.

 I have dough on my computer chair.  There is flour or dough on the stove dials, the microwave (from reheating coffee when I didnt get a cup finished because the oven timer went off.)

Every cabinet door as well as the refrigerator doors have flour smudges.

It's a good thing my SO likes my baking products, or I would be in deep doo-doo.

Mini Oven's picture
Mini Oven

You can't stop thinking about the next bake.

You wish there was a sourdough 911 line.

You're obsessed with your new oven but glad you don't have to change your handle because it's still a mini oven.  :) 

And you like to give this 'ol Topic a kick once in a while to "wake it up"  so others can laugh and add to it.

Mini O

sannimiti's picture

-your math (and calculating w/o calculator) has improved considerabily because of baking

- i second flour and clay (dried sourdough) almost everywhere

-your english has improved because of english bread-sites

- you have friends from xxx-in-the-world at your place and when asked where on earth you know them from you answer "i know them from this baking club on the internet"

plus all you've mentioned before...i'm still trying to figure out how to get my obsessions with plants, dogs and bread into one life..

sannimiti's picture

... to add

-you can't wait to slice a loaf of bread just baked, not to eat it in the first place, but to take a look at the crumb

moontripper's picture
moontripper just the height of the oven's window so you can sit and watch the first 10 minutes (with bated breath and fingers crossed) for that marvelous oven spring.



moxiemolly's picture

My favorite past time! Glad to know I'm not the only one. Now if only I could tear myself away after ten minutes...

Janedo's picture

Your children know what a couche is (other than a diaper), prefer sourdough light rye to store bought sandwich bread and critique each new bake.


bakersteve's picture

Thanks for a bunch of LOLs, people ;-)

 Ok, here goes...

... your freezer is full of your *competitors* products awaiting forensic analysis

... your sole topic of conversation for the past six weeks has been the price of second-hand steam ovens on eBay

... your cats run screaming when you open the flour cupboard

... it makes your week when you find exactly the right size of proving box at your local office supply store

... your major use of Excel is in roughing out new bread recipes

... you travel to the next county for the sole purpose of buying someone's sourdough

... you ring the yeast manufacturers to enquire about bulk prices have to get a joiner to make you a new bookcase for the bread books call your new cat "Fougasse"



SallyBR's picture

Just found this old thread today..... late for the party, but it doesn't matter



I feel absolutely at home here!  :-)



Stephanie Brim's picture
Stephanie Brim

...when you're okay with getting an appliance for mother's day. (Getting a 6 quart KitchenAid Pro tomorrow.)

...when you make midnight flour runs. (I've done this at 11 PM, so I was close.)

...when you can tell the difference between brands of bread flour by sticking your hand in and feeling.

...when you have a sourdough, sweetbread, and baguettes all going on at the same time.

...when you give up almost all your other hobbies for baking. (I have a lot of darkroom equipment, a nice Speed Graphic, and a Mamiya C3 that I refuse to sell or give away yet.)

...when your 17 month old daughter actually turns up her nose at store bought bread.

Yippee's picture

...the spot next to your hushand in bed is empty at 3 AM;

...and if you do get in bed, you fall asleep with bread books, not your husband, in your arms;

...your husband sees bread as his competitor and wants to poke your risen dough;

...your husband frequently moans "Bread Again?!"; scream at a boule with excitement: "So cute!" and your excitement escalates with the rising height of your freshly fed starter; demonstate Stretch and Fold to your kids and expect them to master the technique; night activity is making Hong Kong style sourdough egg puffs together;

and one more: stop concerning about your waistline, instead, you are paying more attention to the alveoli in your crumb.



Just Loafin's picture
Just Loafin

  • While shopping, you leave the cart with your wife to go find something. When you come back, she's hidden a store loaf in the cart to see if you'll notice...

  • You then have to put everything from the cart back and start over, because the cart is now polluted.

  • You offer an extra SD boule to a neighbor. They take it, stare at it a bit, then in all seriousness ask, "Thanks! How do I cut it?"

  • You can hand cut a slice from a sandwich loaf better than most machines.

  • You use a pastry brush to remove the knife crumbs for your 'crumb shot' pic

  • You look over at your starters and say to them, "I know you're hungry! You're next on my list!"

  • Your wife isn't bothered by these conversation with your starters anymore.

- Keith

paddyboomsticks's picture

You cancel weekend plans because *you just don't feel that loaf has proofed long enough*


And no one is suprised by said cancellation.

Glass-Weaver's picture
Glass-Weaver take a supply of premeasured flour and a scale on vacation, so you can feed your sourdough in the hotel room!

Janknitz's picture

Your children accuse you of paying more attention to your wild yeast cultures then to them.

Steve H's picture
Steve H find Harold McGee's "On Food and Cooking" lacks detail. wish you had taken Organic Chemistry in college. have at least two minor injuries on your hands from baking bread. have to stop at three different markets to shop for flour. bake a pizza because its "easier" than ordering out. harrass the Panera Bread people about the definition of "Miche."'ve called every Health Food store in the area asking for rye berries.'re jealous of people who live in Wyoming because of the availability of grain.

...your girlfriend doesn't want to go out to eat anymore. wonder what the point of baking mixes are when they are just mostly flour.'ve scalded your hand on an overheating Kitchenaid. feel guilty selling your Kitchenaid on Craigslist because people might think its as good as the old Hobart models.

...sometimes you wish your Kitchenaid would break. make Brioche and Bagels more often, because it demonstates the need for a better stand mixer. order Chinese food simply to get those little sauce containers for holding another starter. wonder why Virginians don't grow more Spelt. constantly have to retract when you tell people that making bagels is easy. want to make cake but are afraid of running out of flour for bread... when you have 20 pounds of flour in your freezer. get really annoyed when the flour you picked up at the store doesn't specify whether its hard red winter or spring wheat. pound bags of flour seems pointless and silly. have to abort mxing a dough because you realize your oven is already going to be baking another bread when this one is ready.

... you take dough to work with you.'ve taken a 1.5 hour (early) lunch from work to bake a proofing loaf.'ve taken a 2.5 hour lunch from work to go home and bulk ferment.'ve taken a 3.5 hour lunch from work to go home and make pizza.'ve taken a sick day because you felt behind on baking. start to find Reinhart's introductory text to be more poignant than informative. think everybody should read, "Brother Junipers Bread Book: Slow Rise As Method and Metaphor" have a kitchen scale accurate to 0.01g.

...your friends ask you for a bread recipe to "start out" and you give them one that takes 12 hours.

xaipete's picture

Very clever, Steve!


dmsnyder's picture

has 7 items, 4 of which are breads you are going to bake, and one of the remaining 3 is "bake bread."


Just Loafin's picture
Just Loafin

dmsnyder wrote:

Your weekend "to do list" has 7 items, 4 of which are breads you are going to bake, and one of the remaining 3 is "bake bread."

and the last 2 items are only there so you don't feel guilty. They have NO chance of happening...

- Keith

pcasebere's picture
pcasebere say good morning before the sun has risen. have several batches of dough in the fridge, and more than one loaf of bread waiting to be eatin at any time.


Paddyscake's picture

for the next recipe to try, even though you have two 1/2 loaves of different breads waiting to be finished and 4 loaves in the freezer! or more!


loydb's picture

For your anniversary, your wife gives you the bread knife you've been lusting after.

davidg618's picture

...your throat tightens and your eyes begin to tear just looking at an ear.

David G

TrinaOR's picture

Your DH suggest buying  100 lb of flour at a time because he is tired of buying the smaller ones so often.

You go to a rendezvous and you have people walking by  wanting to  know if the bread is ready yet.   Some of them you dont even know.  What a way to make friends.

Hubby thinks I am sick if there are not at least one or two  types of bread raising, cooking and so on.



Pablo's picture

You happen to notice that you have 3 different breads on your plate at dinner and that doesn't seem strange.


ein's picture

You are back at the car after a day at the ocean and find yourself degasing and folding the beach blanket into a batard.


Your wife swears you just said 'Goodnight' to your starter ... but you really don't remember.



sybram's picture

Oh, you guys..........................  It's all so true.  I don't understand it yet, and I'm sort of scared.

You know your bread baking is an obsession when you start buying little bread tools for family and friends (none of whom have given the slightest indication of sharing your bread passion), just knowing they'll be delighted. 


Muffin Man's picture
Muffin Man

Your wife cedes the kitchen and pantry to you.

pjaj's picture

You know you're a breadmaker when...

You don't think it strange that planning your new dream kitchen involves two full sized Neff ovens each costing over £1,000, (one for proving, one for baking)

You have to plan ahead to empty the freezer by baking day to make room for all the loaves.

You ask your daughter to scour the shops in London for brotformen or banneton for your birthday present.

You have difficulty putting the week's shopping in the refrigerator because of all the pots of SD starters.

You are trying to duplicate the boules sold in Harrods.

You've started a thread in one of these forums on making an obscure type of bread.

Marni's picture

MiniO just brought this link up again - Thank You!  I laughed my way down the list. I thought it was only me - nice to know I'm not alone.  I found myself in so many of the above,

Here's my additions:

- My children ask to feed the starter - it's the family pet- "Happy"

-I've considered hiring a "starter sitter" for when we go out of town

- nixed that idea because the sitter wouldn't be careful enough. (I'm just sure of this.)


tananaBrian's picture

... It'll take 500 years of baking to recoupe the money spent on books and equipment by "making our own bread to save money"

MommaT's picture

This week I had a real You know your a breadmaker when... moment:


My husband needed a lift to the airport for an upcoming business trip and I made him timed the trip based on my rising/shaping schedule...



mysteryshrimp's picture

You offer instructions on how to taste your bread.

"Don't just chew and swallow. This bread actually changes flavor over about the first six seconds."



You know how your bread is going to change over time.

Them: I don't like the bottom crust. It's a bit too hard.

You: Give it a day. It'll soften up nicely. You won't even notice the bottom crust tomorrow.



You get upset over how people cut your bread. Uneven, tearing the crust apart, using a fillet knife, etc.



You think "Hmm, if I use one less egg yolk but up the oil to 4 oz instead of 3 . . ."



You can start out making a sandwich loaf and wind up with a really good foccocia.



You won't go back to an Italian restaurant because of the rolls.


farina22's picture

You have to drive from SF to LA instead of flying for Thanksgiving so you can bring the DLX to make the variety of requested breads. And you bring bannetons, flours, and a cooler to keep the SD starter happy.

sourdough greg's picture
sourdough greg

-You spend dozens of hours over a hot summer thoroughly enjoying sweating and aching before, during and after digging out a 4' deep 4' wide hole in the ground, breaking up old concrete with a sledge hammer, and carrying hundreds of lbs. of salvaged sand/gravel and field stones 15' in diameter, patiently explaining to anyone who will listen WHY you are building an earth oven in your back yard upon cringing to the question "can't you buy that kind of bread at BREADSMITH" (or some such place). 

-thinking "why wouldn't I order 50lbs. of artisan flour if it's a good price and on sale, too."

-planning your Sunday around firing up the outdoor oven, making breads, and pizzas later on, and more breads when the oven cools down again... and calmly answering questions about your weekend with "I made bread for 10 hours"

-you realize you better get off this thread even though you're enjoying it 'cause that sale ends in 34 minutes, and you just want to play it safe ordering  through a new website 

bakerking's picture

- when you couldn't bake the weekend before last because you were in S. D.(South Dakota) pheasant hunting, last weekend you were deer hunting in Mn. and you get up at 5:30 on Monday morning to start a quaruple batch of San Joaquin Sourdough just because you have to

_when you go from looking for a golden crust to seeing how dark you can get it


KansasGirlStuckInMaryland's picture

You post pictures of your baking projects on your Facebook page.

Your family sees the pictures on your Facebook page and volunteer you to make cinnamon rolls at the "day after the wedding breakfast" that is almost a year away.

You get invited to holiday dinners and never get to show off your other cooking talents because you "will be bringing the bread, right?".

You make special trips to the grocery store when you find out KA bread flour is on sale.

You discover after years of walking down the baking supplies aisle that your grocery store does actually carry a surprisingly decent assortment of flours beyond Gold Medal AP.

You have conversations with other shoppers in the baking supply aisle while perusing the flour selections.  Honest, this happened to me two days ago.  The woman saw 5 bags of KA bread flour in my cart and started asking my opinion of all sorts of baking supplies.

You consider opening your door and windows in the dead of winter while you are baking to share the wonderful aromas with your neighbors.

M2's picture
M2 gaze at the freshly baked bread every 3 minutes for the next several hours

...your husband asks you to bring bread instead of presents to his parents at X'mas

...apologize to the starter when they are over-ripe

I'm so touched...all of you breadmakers...what a family.

Now this may be crossing the line:

...when you contemplate quitting the day job (with good benefits) and be a breadmaker

This thread makes me smile with tears.  Thanks.


spsq's picture

Wow!  Just noticed this thread was hopping again.  Ha ha!  I bow down to all of you....

will slick's picture
will slick

You should be preparing to cook for thanksgiving, and all you are doing is baking bread!

Hi my name is will and I am a bread a breadaholic


kkfmchick2's picture

you live in the midwest and tell your family your going on "the best family vacation ever"  and really it's a trip to vermont with a week worth you taking of baking classes scheduled at KAF and the family is hanging at the lake at the hotel waiting every day for your return to see what bread you have brought them's your job as a profession to bake and you still bake bread at home on your day off

i have been a breadaholic for about 8 years now

Royall Clark's picture
Royall Clark

You know you're a baker if you have more than 1 type of flour in the pantry (have about 8 at last count)

You know you're a baker when you get invited to dinner IF you bring home made bread or rolls.

You know you're a baker when your freezer if full of WW flour, pizza dough, loaves of baked bread, and pie dough.

You know you're a baker when you have 3 or thermometers in the kitchen.

You know you're a baker when you have a big flat baking stone in the oven and a peel hanging on the side of the fridge.

You know you're a baker if your house shoes are covered with flour.

Hey buddy.... could you spare a cup of flour??!!

alabubba's picture

You know your a baker when the first thing you do after getting home from family vacation is start making dough so it will be ready to bake by the time you get the car unloaded and unpacked.

Andreja's picture

 You almost start to cry when you realize that you mixed your entire sourdough starter in the bread dough and you have no backup. And then you start considering when was the last time that you have thrown away some leftover starter and if there is still a chance to rescue it from the big garbage can for whole neighbourhood.

breadinquito's picture

when I remind that my starter will be 2 years old december 27...and you'd wish to invite pals from TFL to quito to celebrate their happy birthday...Paolo

SallyBR's picture

Your starter was born on my husband's Bday!   Cool, we could definitely give a party together!


my starter is just a little younger - 2 years in March...  


aren't we all a little crazy?  ;-)

kimemerson's picture

These are all very true. We laugh but it's truth! I haven't read them all so this may be a repeat: How about when you get a slice or loaf of another bread and you can't just bite into it without inspecting it visually, turning it over, pulling back the crust, biting into it a little at a time and allowing the flavors to be on your tongue for a second before swallowing, checking everything from crust to crumb, smelling it, turning it over, holding it to the light and generally taking a full two or three minutes before actually eating it the way "normal" people do.

SallyBR's picture

 I have no doubt that I am now a complete bread-snob.   The other day I was at the grocery store and someone was handing  pieces of bread with a little cheese on top.  I had to control myself not to show my horror at the quality of the bread.   It looked like some slightly upscale version of Wondra.   Pretty sad...

I think we are very fortunate to be able to bake and enjoy great bread. let's keep that in mind always...

AnnieT's picture

I guess my obsession has been noticed by the family. My son recently delivered the grandgirls for a sleepover and begged for the just baked SD loaf as well as a raisin braid. He said the SD would go well with some Brie they were sharing with friends. I assumed that I would get to see the remainder of the loaf to check on the crumb but in fact they gave away the whole loaf. When I commented on this he said "Oh, don't worry, I told them they had to cut in in half, take a picture and post it on your bread site!" Cheeky blighter., A.

breadinquito's picture

-when in your fridge you keep a pot with 1 and 1/2 pounds of 100% hydr..sourdough and....inspite of keep a 1 pound of dry sourdough in a zip bag "Just in case!!!! Paolo

davidg618's picture

...only because you're levain for New Year's Day bake is due for its final feeding!

(Yep, I really did that.)

David G

spsq's picture

This saturday, while my bread and buns were rising, I took the time to go to two bakeries and buy more bread!

Martyn's picture

.....your friends comment about the white powder you always seem to have on your clothes.

dmsnyder's picture

For three meals in one day.

Breakfast: French toast made with Proth5 baguettes.

Lunch: Herbed roast chicken sandwich on Proth5 baguettes.

Dinner: Roast trout with garlic bread crumb topping made with Gérard Rubaud baguettes, steamed broccoli and fresh-baked San Joaquin Sourdough baguettes. 2007 Edna Valley Chardonnay. 

I didn't even notice until my wife pointed it out.


SallyBR's picture

David, there is NO doubt in my mind you ARE a bread baker!      :-)

kdwnnc's picture

I just found this thread and I love it!!!  So many of these things qualify for me.  I made a loaf of cinnamon swirl bread on Saturday, and when I cut into it on Sunday and saw how pretty it looked on the inside I felt happier than I had all week.  My mom jokingly called me a "bread geek" when I told her that!

At first I thought the whole "naming your SD starter" thing was kind of silly, but then I changed my mind and my dad named my starter "Harvey", so Harvey it will stay :-)

I am glad to know I am not the only one who "literally" dreams about my bread!

Mini Oven's picture
Mini Oven

you keep digging up this "oldie but goodie" thread    :)

LaibeDaigi's picture

You take a cab home from a party to fetch your proofed loaves and return to the party to bake them.

AbeNW11's picture

You seriously consider not going for too long because you feel like you're neglecting your starter.