After more months than I want to admit, I finally made the bagel I have been aiming for - the ones I remember from long ago. This was a long learning curve as I never baked bread before. I tried an untold number of recipes but there always seemed to be something missing. I switched to no-knead bread, english muffins and experimenting with sourdough which ultimately lead to a bagel I am happy with. Especially as I made these in a cabin with no running water, with temps of -36 outside to haul water!