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Kneading with KitchenAid or any mixer

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itreycee

Kneading with KitchenAid or any mixer

I have always kneaded my bread by hand.  I just got a Kitchen aid 4.5 mixer with the bread hook for my upcoming birthday.  I read the recipes in the book, but really wanted some real people advice on how long to mix it and at what speed.  I just did a recipe of 2 loaves at once, I turned it on 2 for 5 minutes instead of kneading by hand for 10 min.  Is this anywhere close to how long do knead it when mixing? Any help would be appreciated. 

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dmsnyder

Hi, itreycee.


It would help to see the recipe you're working with, but, in general, with a KitchenAid mixer, you mix your ingredients initially with the paddle until they are well mixed (1-2 minutes) at Speed 1. Then, you switch to the dough hook and mix at Speed 2 until you get the degree of gluten development called for in the recipe. How much time this takes depends on the formula for the bread (ingredients and proportions). It can take as little as 3 minutes or as much as 30 minutes.


In any case, I'd encourage you to judge when you have mixed enough by the characteristics of the dough, not by how many minutes have elapsed.


David

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Marni

I agree that knowing how the dough should look and feel is the best way to judge if it has been kneaded enough, but wonder about the use of the paddle. I have not found any difference if I start with the paddle or just start off with the dough hook.  What difference do you see?


Thanks,


Marni

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dmsnyder

Hi, Marni.


I think the paddle mixes ingredients faster and more thoroughly than the dough hook, but, you know, I've never done any kind of experiment. It may not make a difference. 


David

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fairnymph

I agree completely with the method and advice that David outlined. That's exactly how I do it and the use of the two paddles and when you switch them works very well.

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geneivy

I inhereted my KA and did not know there is a paddle adjustment that you should check. Look at your owners manual and make sure the adjustment is correct. I used mine for some time and wondered why it was not performing properly. The adjustment is very simple and shoud be right on with a new machine but it doesn't hurt to check. Gene

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itreycee

I am using the recipe in Lesson 2 and 3 because I am still new to breadmaking.  Those seem to taste the best to me.  Thank so much for the helpul advice.  I did notice when I kneaded it yesterday, that I have made bread enough to tell if it's the consistancy I need or not, so that's good.  I didn't realize I had learned so much already.  I only did the hook but maybe will try the paddle today and see if it makes a difference. Thanks again for the help!!!

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Sam49

In Peter Reinhart's Bread Baker's Apprentice - a very good book to learn more about bread baking technique's that will enhance bread flavor greatly - he give kneading instructions for both hand kneading and for mixer kneading in each recipe.   While evaluating the dough might be the best method, until you have a good feel for that, his guidelines will give you a good idea.   He doesn't give the same time guides for each recipe, but rather they vary based on the characteristics of the dough and the bread.


Sam

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itreycee

Okay thanks! I might have to get that.  I got more serious about bread making than I really thought I would so a good reference book is a must. Thank you!!!