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Submitted by papajohn on March 15, 2010 - 1:05pm Lines from bannetonI'm new to The Fresh Loaf and the forum. I've baked my loaves of Italian Bread for 20 years since moving to Colorado, from Brooklyn, NY. Here commercial bread is called French and has a soft crust. I finally got my crust correct and crunchy like in Brooklyn. Now I join The Fresh Loaf and I get ideas. I want to try using a banneton for my round loaves, They look great with the circles on the loaf. I bought a banneton made of wicker. I floured it and placed the dough in for the final rise. When it had risen I flipped it over on to a stone and the dough fell and the lines were gone. My round loaf looked like a flat foccia bread. Please help. What am I doing wrong?
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I had the same problem the
I had the same problem the first time I used mine. I now spray mine with pan release and then coat it very well with flour. When you flip it over you have to be very gentle with it. If it sticks at all it may cause the loaf to deflate. Also, if you are flipping it onto a cold stone you may want to cover the banneton with the stone and then flip it .
Thanks for the reply. It
Thanks for the reply. It didn't stick; but the stone was cold. I'll try your suggestion and put the stone on top.
Flipping your dough
Hi Papajohn - it could be that your dough was overproofed or that you were too rough when inverting the brotform (bannetons are baskets containing a linen liner).
I also wonder if perhaps the dough stuck and that was part of the reason for the collapse. Try using rice flour, making sure you fill the areas between the coils. Rice flour, or a 50-50 mix of rice and AP flour, is awesome for brotforms.
When the dough is about 85 percent proofed (and your oven and stone are preheated), place a sheet of parchment over the top of the basket, then place your peel over the parchment and invert the basket so that it's upside down, resting on your peel.
Gently remove the basket and you'll find your round will be resting on the parchment, ready to be scored and loaded into the oven.
Hope this helps.
Thank you for the reply. I
Thank you for the reply. I don't know if it was over proofed. Because of our altitude dough rises faster than at sea level. I usually let it rise twice, about 1 hour each time, so it doubles in size, to let the yeast develope more flavor, then I do the final (3rd) rise. I used lots of 100% AP flour on the banneton. It didn't stick; but I'll get some rice flour and try the 50-50 mix. I like the parchment suggestion. That will make me more gentle with the turning over. I'll get it working. Thanks
I had a similar problem
If I just shaped the dough and let it rise in the floured banneton, the lines did not appear. If I shaped the dough, let it rise in the floured banneton, covered it with plastic wrap, and put it in the fridge overnight, it came out great like this:
That's beautiful. I'll try
That's beautiful. I'll try an over nighter to see if I can do something like this. Thanks.
Lindy gave good advice
Hi, PapaJohn.
No fancy tricks, sprays or refrigeration should be necessary to get the flour lines from the brotform onto your boule.
Heavy flouring isn't necessary. Do use a 50/50 mix of AP and Rice flour. Put a couple tablespoons or three into the basket. Rub it round and round until all the spaces between the coils are filled in. You can even turn the basket over and dump the excess flour, if you want.
Gently place the formed boule, seam-side up, in the brotform and cover with plastic or a kitchen towel. Proof the boule, but don't over proof. You got some good suggestions for transferring it to the peel, but you can also just hold the brotform in one hand and use the palm of your other hand to catch it and ease it onto the peel as you turn the brotform over.
You can do it!
David
David, Thanks very much for
David,
Thanks very much for your suggestions. I'm getting the rice flour today.
Getting coil marks
Papajohn,
Lindy and Davids advice is right on. Once you get the white rice flour blend working you will be confident that you won't have a sticking disaster every time you turn out the dough. Then you can start playing with the amount of flour you leave on the dough. Davids beautiful boules above have very little flour remaining from the form. fventura20's loaf has quite a bit of surface flour. I like the contrast of just a little flour so it doesn't inhibit the crust getting a caramel color. I use a 2 inch dry brush to apply the rice flour mix to the banetton or brotform and again after the dough has been turned out I go around and remove areas with heavy flour with the brush. It sounds like you are on track turning out a perfect loaf of artisan bread.
Eric
Eric, Thank you. I like the
Eric,
Thank you. I like the brush idea. I like the lines and the caramel color too. I'm learning so much from all you bread bakers. Thanks again. PapaJohn
Lines from banneton
Sorry for taking so long to thank you all. I did it! They were beautiful. The overnight in the fridge was the best idea. They didn't know that I turned them over. Experimenting with some new ideas too.
Thanks again,
Papajohn