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Submitted by Kroha on March 6, 2010 - 6:34pm help with whole grain sourdoughHello everyone, With some trepidation, I have now tried baking sourdough bread, twice. It has been a flop, and, just in case, today I killed my starter and started a new one. I realized that I did not refresh it correctly (from 100 g of 100% hydration started I removed 50 g, and then to the remaining 50 g added 25 g water and 25 g flour, when the correct amounts, I think, should have been 50 g of each). Not surprisingly, it has been only somewhat active, but before realizing my error, I attributed it to bad luck. But back to the baking. I tried 100% whole grain sourdough. Below is the formula, which I found on this site. The fist time I kneaded it by hand, and the second time in my brand-new DLX, which I am just figuring out how to use, with great help from old posts on this site. The first time I made it as 100% sourdough, and today I added 1 g of yeast because I suspected that my started might not do the job. The final dough seemed a bit too tacky both times, but I left it that way thinking that it would improve after bulk fermentation, but it did not, and remained a bit tacky and slack, so that I could not even score it. The gluten was fairly well-developed, as far as I could tell. I weighed the ingredients and followed the directions, and the dough seemed to do OK, besides being slack. The loaves (one round and one batard) went into the oven somewhat spread out and flat-looking and had zero oven-spring. They did not collapse either. They just came out looking more like flat breads than loaves. I am wondering if someone has ideas on what I am not doing right. The bread has great flavor and great crust. So far we have have been enjoying it in the form of croutons. I would love to make it well. My husband, who loves sourdough bread, believes that it is just too complicated and unpredictable to mess with, and I should just leave it alone. I MUST, MUST, MUST have my, "Here is the great loaf, I told you so!!!" moment :) Thank you for your advice!
Overnight Whole Grain Sourdough with Wheat, Spelt & RyeJMonkey This may be my favorite hearth bread. When made well, it has an open crumb, which is unusual for 100% whole grain breads, and a deliciously sour and nutty flavor. Overall Formula 5% of the flour is in the starter, which could be whole wheat, whole rye or whole spelt, and can be 60% hydration or 100% hydration. Ingredients Mixing Shaping Baking While you can certainly bake this bread on a cookie sheet, it benefits from a stone and some steam, or a covered baker. However you do it, bake at 450 degrees for about 40 minutes.
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Whole wheat
I'd try with King Arthur Unbleached flour first and use bottled or other highly purified water.
I got the sourdough starter from King Arthur and it worked first time following their instructions.
I've made 3 batches so far and it's been excellent everytime. Haven't tried mixing in the whole wheat yet.
Better yet...Call King Arthur Flour directly. They'll help you for free.
http://www.kingarthurflour.com/baking/
The successful execution of
The successful execution of this bread requires a few different skills.
The first being a good working knowledge of bread dough in general. The feel and the changes brought about by altering the hydration of a given recipe and also changes brought about by technique variations.
Secondly, experience with whole grains is essential as they present challenges far beyond those of working with mostly white flour. White flour is most forgiving if you do not get it just right. A formula with 50% whole grains will also allow for error but 100% whole grains know no such forgiveness.
Finally, there is the sourdough element and that is another whole set of skills needed that will come in working with sourdough again and again and again.
As for this particular recipe it presents even greater challenges with the substantial inclusion of rye and spelt.
My conclusion is that you have chosen a recipe that is about as difficult as can be for someone new to sourdough.
I would suggest (quite strongly) that you get a good sourdough starter going and when you have mastered that, move on to using that starter in recipes with which you are familiar and comfortable.
You have really tackled a very difficult recipe and I have not even mentioned the shaping skills needed to make this one work.
Jeff