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Submitted by Chausiubao on February 16, 2010 - 2:09pm Critique my recipeSo I'm writing a recipe for everyone. Its intended so that anyone, regardless of experience can try to make bread. So far, I've been told that the recipe reads as a technical document. As yet, I'm not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing. But please read and tell me if its not detailed, too detailed, or in general too wordy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4.00 Cups Bread Flour Notes: Bread flour has protein content of between 11-14%, the bag should say which, but all purpose works too (generally the more protein the better) Instant yeast can be mixed directly in with the flour, bread machine yeast works, but if all you can get is active dry yeast use 1.5 tablespoons, and proof it in water with some sugar first, it should bubble (use some of the water you have measured for the bread). Water at around body temperature is great, around 80-90F (25-30 C), but any hotter and you risk getting the water too hot for the yeast. Use your finger as a thermometer (finger test!), if you can't tell if the water is hot or cold, use it. (the instructions to this recipe may seem long, but I am describing everything from start to finish in as much detail as I can, really the process is quite simple) Procedure: 1.) Melt your butter. After a few minutes the dough will come together into a sticky mass. 5.) Turn the dough out onto a table and knead the dough by stretching it away from you and folding it towards you. You will know the dough is finished when it is smooth, and just slightly grabs your fingers (tackiness). By this time your hands should be no longer covered in dough (the gluten has settled). 7.) Cover the top of the dough with plastic wrap to prevent oxidation, and boil a small pot of water 11.) Beat one egg with salt to make egg wash. Press Test: press the dough, it should spring back halfway, thats when you know its proofed 16.) Preheat your oven to 400 F, bake the rolls until they are well browned and sound hollow when thumped When baking, you must always bake it until it is done! 17.) Let the dough cool before cutting into it ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks --Gabriel
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recipe critique
Hi Chauslubao
This is a good start. If this were converted to weight and bakers percentages, I believe the hydration level might be at about 52%. Kind of low. Based on about 4 1/2 oz per cup of flour and 8 oz per cup of water plus 1 1/3 oz for 4 TBSP. Depending on what kind of bread you are trying to represent here, 57% - 59% might be more appropriate. 1 1/4 cups plus 1 TBSP - 1 1/2 cups plus 1 tsp. I haven't used active dry yeast in many years but I believe water temps as high as 110 - 114 deg are recommended. I find that hot tap water is usually hot enough to ferment and proof dough if using oven chamber!
John
We're talking 10 oz water/18
We're talking 10 oz water/18 oz flour, so thats around 55%, which you're right, is kind of low. I was going for 60%.
It appears I lost a lot of water in converting from grams to ounces, and from weight to volume.
4.00 Cups Bread Flour1.00 Cup
4.00 Cups Bread Flour
1.00 Cup Water
6.00 Tbsp Water
1.00 Tbsp Instant Yeast
1.00 Tsp Salt
3.00 Tbsp Melted Butter
I decided to round up to fix the problem, so I'm going with 11.00 ounces of water this time. Thats equal to a 61.1% hydration.
But what I was really looking for was a critique of my writing rather then my formula, as that is something thats easily fixed, bad writing, thats a little harder to fix.
Thanks,
Gabriel
What's with the .00?
If all the numbers are whole numbers, why use a decimal? Easier to read 4 Cups, 1 Cup etc.
I'm just kind of anal with
I'm just kind of anal with the spacing between the numbers and the measurements. So I use .00 as a place holder so that theres an even amount of space between the numbers and the measurements.
Its a convention I use.
What's with the cups anyway?
More to the point, what's with using volume measurements for flour anyway? Total beginners are much more likely to get volume measurements "wrong" than weight measurements. And if they do, they won't have a sense for what the problem is.
Jeremy
Would a beginner have a
Would a beginner have a scale?
Thats the main problem. I'd be perfectly happy giving weight measurements, but I don't feel the average person that wants to try out baking has anything that can measure weight.
But its not like adding weight measurements is all that difficult. So I could just add it in.
But here's a question, do you think it would be easier to try this recipe if a different amount of scale of the recipe was used? I could just push the water up to 12 ounces (1 1/2 cups of water) for ease of measurement.
thank you
as a definite amateur, i want to thank you for these postings. i just stumbled across them & have been reading, thinking and making notes. your writings are quite inspirational for the casual bread baker. thank you.
oh my, well I'm glad
oh my, well I'm glad someone's getting a use out of it!
I assume you're referring to my blogs?
--Chausiubao
fats as last
Hi.
in my opinion fats should always be added last (when the dough has already formed) bevause when they touch the flour they form lumps that take longer to loose. As long as fats are in small amounts, as in your case, you may not see a difference, but if you use more fats you could incur into troubles.
Gluten forms with water and flour, thus anything that hinders it formation (like fats) should be added only when gluten is already well developed.
Thanks for the feedback! I
Thanks for the feedback!
I personally have no doubts about the merits of my formulas, rather I was concerned about the technicality of my language and wording.
Generally softened butter has no problem getting incorporated, which is all the easier when added in small pieces, you're absolutely right.
--Chausiubao
I see what you're after...
Title of Recipe
This is a little recipe (introduction) I came across you all might enjoy, it's easy and quick to throw together and the chance of failure is small if you follow the easy steps. Serves 10, 2 hours of preparation and ready in 4 hours.
Here is where you can choose how to organize the outline using words such as Prepare, Mix, Bake etc. (Notes are added to the end of the recipe, your own experiences) You decide if you want to number the steps like below or simple write in a paragraph style.
Maybe add a space between preparation and mixing. Nice touch!
Notes: The pan seemed too small pan, so I used a larger one 12 x 15 inch. No thermometer? Use your finger, bla bla bleep. The Bla Bla seemed too strong but if served with strong coffee, it's excellent!. The top seemed to brown quickly so half way thru the bake, I reduced the oven temp to 180°C (350°F). The recipe can easily be done ahead of time and frozen for up to two weeks. That kind of stuff belongs down here.
That is one format, there are more. Most want to see the ingredients and amounts listed and easy to read. Photos can come just about anywhere, during step by step or the finished picture at the top with the title. There is a lot of freedom but it should be easy to read thru quickly and easy to relocate your place when interrupted. Make it interesting to read and have fun!
Mini
Feedback as a new baker and as an editor
Hi Chausiubao,
Thanks for preparing this and presenting it for feedback.
Well here's my feedback. The first part is from me as a novice baker; the second part is from me as a text editor.
As a new baker I like to have an idea of the size or weight of the loaf I will be baking. I also like to know the hydration. In both cases this gives me some idea in advance of how the dough will handle. I find it best, then, if this information is at the beginning of the text.
in this case, I think it would be good to signal at the beginning that this is a recipe for rolls and that it will yield around 16 of x weight or size. Perhaps could you also offer advice on how to form this dough into either rolls or a loaf? This is something I've seen done with other recipes and found useful. I may be wrong but at present the fact that it is a roll recipe doesn't seem to become clear until step 10.
I think it it would also help to include a brief explanation of how to shape rolls. Your instructions leap from dividing the dough to laying it on parchment 'seam side down'. However an explanation of the interim steps would be really useful, particularly for a beginner. I had no idea about 'seams' in dough when I started out.
You seem to have a long chain of conversions - grams to ounces; weight to volume. I've tried to convert the other way - cups to grams and found it hard to keep the formula stable. This also seems to have happened here initially with hydration. I am a beginner but prefer to deal with weights. If you've done the conversions already can you give equivalents, as some recipe books do now?
You ask for a critique of your writing. I think Mini offers very sound advice on laying out information. It is also useful to have a set layout for recipes if you are ever thinking of publishing them or even communicating them informally to other bakers. Perhaps you already have a preferred layout? Speaking as an editor it is a nightmare to have to try to standardize a large number of texts that are laid out differently. Different bakers, editors and publishing houses will have different ways of presenting information on formulae and procedure. It is worth looking at the different formats used by bakers for their own use and by editors for publication. You should also be able to ask publishing houses for their recipe style sheets.
It's obviously good to have a memorable title to start with - just think how often recipes and formulae are referred to by their title alone on TFL, 'Vermont Sourdough', 'Susan's Simple Sourdough' etc.
You seem to be asking if a range of people could understand your instructions or if it they are too technical? I don't think the language you use is too technical. Most of your description of procedure is very clear and to the point. This comes across particularly well in the part where you describe how to feel when the dough is ready 'You will know the dough is finished...gluten has settled'. Here you describe a complex process very succinctly and show you have thought about non-technical ways in which a beginner could sense dough readiness.
There are a few technical terms that you use that I think would be hard for a beginner to understand. For example instead of saying 'to prevent oxidation' could you say something comparable but simpler, like 'to prevent moisture loss'?
I think there are other terms such as 'gluten', that are technical but which a beginner would come across more regularly in bread recipes. In those cases it would be useful to 'gloss' the term (that is add a simpler explanation of it), the first time it is used. For example 'the gluten (the mix of proteins whose development allows dough to stretch), has settled'.
One general observation would be that your step by step explanation of 'Procedure' is much clearer than your initial 'Notes'. (You do, however, need to sort out the numbering of 'Procedure' so that there are not two stage 6's. Don't worry - we've all done this when adding a stage to an earlier draft!). If you are thinking of 6 being two stages you could put 6a, 6b, but 6,7 would still be clearer.
'Procedure' is clearer than 'Notes' because you break the individual steps into shorter sentences. It is common for first drafts of documents to have sentences in them that would be clearer if broken into two or more. This is easily sorted out by looking at obvious breaks and adding in more full stops. So for example
Instant yeast can be mixed directly in with the flour, bread machine yeast works, but if all you can get is active dry yeast use 1.5 tablespoons, and proof it in water with some sugar first, it should bubble (use some of the water you have measured for the bread).
becomes
Instant yeast can be mixed directly in with the flour. Bread machine yeast also works. If all you can get is active dry yeast, use 1.5 tablespoons. Proof it in water with some sugar first. It should bubble. Use some of the water you have measured for the bread to do this.
This is a simple but very important change of style you could use to make the 'Notes' clearer. Readers tend to runs long sentences together as one unit of information. If such sentences contain more than one set of instructions readers may miss this. This is also more likely to occur when readers are less familiar with the subject. When one sentence contains one key point or instruction, or one key point with minor qualifications, this is less likely to happen
Well I hope this feedback is of some use. I've been precise because editing is a specialism for me and because it seemed that you were asking for direct feedback on the technicality and clarity of your wording. Baking isn't my specialism - wait for my beginner's questions on that front!
Best wishes for the development of this project. It is really good to be thinking of recipes that would get a range of people baking.
Kind regards, Daisy_A