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found great price on coiled wicker baskets for final proofing

maryserv's picture
maryserv

found great price on coiled wicker baskets for final proofing

Hello all,


I've been on a quest to find a reasonable priced coiled wicker dough-rising basket.  I finally found it but it requires a $50 dollar order to even place the order (they are wholesale to public).  And yes, even when I order 2 of all: round, oval, rectangular - and throw something else in I'm still not to $50.  If anyone is the in the Houston, Texas area and is looking, I'm happy to combine orders.  Or I suppose I could order, receive and then send on to you if you are not local.  The prices are crazy-good for untreated rattan coiled baskets - $6 each. 


Here is an example!


Let me know what you think (also if you have had poor experiences with this company in the past). 


Thanks!  Mary


 


 

Doc Opa's picture
Doc Opa

What's the name of the company?  Do they have the liners as well?

JIP's picture
JIP

Link???

copyu's picture
copyu

$6 each? That is almost like stealing! ;-) 


I paid about $20 each, locally, for my most-used ones and bought a few online that were only slightly cheaper, because of bulk-buying. 


I think you should buy the extras and give them as gifts to friends who love bread (with a few simple recipes!) or just sell them to someone here on the site. Even with overseas shipping, lots of people outside the USA would probably be happy to have a bargain like that.


You're right, though, that is CRAZY-cheap!


Best wishes, Mary!


copyu


 


 

BettyR's picture
BettyR

Could you post a link please?


I would love to have a couple of them...I'm in far Northeast Liberty county close to the Harden county line... on the Southern edge of the Big Thicket National Preserve. I'm about 60 to 70 miles from Houston...I could make the drive in but postage would be way cheaper. But at those prices I would like to see what else they have, if the rest of their prices are that good I may want to place an order that would add up to $50.00.


 


Ok never mind about the link, I was able to find the company off the picture link you posted...all they sell is baskets. So I'm in for 4 of the baskets plus postage...heck at those prices I'd be willing to make the drive into Houston.

maryserv's picture
maryserv

Hi Betty,


Which ones do you want?  They have round, oval and long.  (I wish I could find triangular!) 


I love that area where you are.  I used to be with SouthTrust Bank, and knew the managers up in Liberty, Cleveland and Mont Belvieu.  I actually know some kids that go to Sam, so to save you a drive I could have them take them up there if that would be helpful.  We'll figure it out. 


I'll check back later today.  I won't do anything until I hear from you!: ) 


 


Mary

copyu's picture
copyu

they're definitely NOT at bargain-basement prices!


The only ones I've seen online are made in Germany and, as far as I can tell, there's only one size: 9 inches.


If you google "brotform" or "Fantes" you can check them out, at least. From memory, they're a smidgen under $30. I bought a few of the Slovakian Brotformen from the Fantes site and they were very good to deal with.


My locally-sourced ones (I'm in Japan) are the smaller, round, German ones and were about $20, which is surprisingly cheap for German products in Tokyo!


You're a champ, Mary!

maryserv's picture
maryserv

Thanks for that link!  I think I saw it before, but didn't go past the German ones at $30.  I can't believe all the sizes and shapes!  I'll probably get "in trouble" with my DH for buying all these baking things, but at least he gets to eat the fruits of them, right! : )

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Dancing Bear
will slick's picture
will slick

Shipping To NYC was 11.00 Thanks for this link I have been wanting these but did not want to spend What I thought to be exorbitant price. This link will take you to the page where you can find all three. I had trouble finding them at first.


http://www.luckyclovertrading.com/trays-c-1_5.html

maryserv's picture
maryserv

sorry y'all, I did a fancy embedded link with the word "Here" in my first post!  It is a basket company, so they didn't have liners or anything.  I couldn't believe this when I saw it! 

dstroy's picture
dstroy

Sorry maryserv - something funny about that link, at least for me, it pops my browser out into a tiny window so it's hard to see anything and only shows the actual basket image and not actual product info.  (Don't you hate it when websites try to be so clever that they end up making even something like a basic link get messed up?)


Anyway, Dancing Bear has gotten the right link to show the full product I think.

caseymcm's picture
caseymcm

If Mary or anyone else orders these, please let us know what the quality is like.  Are they well constructed and likely to hold together?  That is a great price and I'd love to get a few more.

Stephanie Brim's picture
Stephanie Brim

I want to make an order, too, but I have a month or so before it's in the budget. That's crazy cheap for baskets and I have a few others I'd like to get, too.

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Arbyg

Great price thx for sharing!

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gianfornaio

in the FAQs they mention that the minimum order is for the wholesale price but is waived for the retail price (+50%)-- it's certainly notably bigger than the original price, but $9 is still a better deal than I've ever seen elsewhere!


Cheers,


John

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Elagins

lucky clover's baskets are made in china and/or elsewhere in the Far East; the brotformen that virtually all the other vendors sell are made in Europe.


Stan Ginsberg
www.nybakers.com

maryserv's picture
maryserv

Stan,


I noticed that you sell bannetons on your website that are a little different than these I've found.  Who supplies those to you?  It appears to be a French company, so the rattan definately and perhaps the baskets themselves originate from Viet Nam or Indonesia. 


Thanks, Mary

Elagins's picture
Elagins

are made by the French company Matfer Bourgeat -- or at least are marketed by them. Beyond that, I can't tell you where the willow came from, or the linen, or where the baskets or fabric were woven and the liners stitched in.


the ones you found, Mary, are technically brotformen, and are most commonly used in Germany, Austria and Central Europe. Most of the European-made ones come from either Germany (most expensive), Bulgaria or the Czech Republic.


my bannetons are more typical of French boulangerie.


i should also say, as long as we're talking about it, that I recently located a very reasonable source for European-made brotformen, but you've pretty well taken the wind out of my sails (sales?) on that one!!!


Stan

maryserv's picture
maryserv

Stan,


I need to look back at your website, but if you don't, you should offer more products from these guys.  (I know there are storage and capital issues to deal with of course).  I love the prices for somethings I saw on one site, and what you are charging for the linen-lined banneton is the same as what this other site is charging.  Now, their brotforms...whole 'nother ballgame!  $50!!!  for one! 


It was not my intention to take wind out of sails; I'm just excited and sharing info.  I think you shouldn't let me finding a company with $6 brotforms deter you from doing what you were going to do.  Or, you could also get some from this company if they are significantly less as well and do a comparison!  If the less expensive supplier is as good as the other (or good-enough), then you will be doing a great business! 


I think I on the other hand am going to learn basket-weaving...; )


 

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will slick

I Ordered 3 of each style yesterday, right after I saw this thread. This morning I have a delivery date of 01-28. So if anyone was wondering if this company is reliable so far I would say YES! Now I can use my $1.00 plastic bread baskets After the bread comes out of the oven. Thanks Mary for letting us all benefit from your leg or should i say finger work.


Will

maryserv's picture
maryserv

: )

Gorm2's picture
Gorm2

Not the prices you may want, but not terrible either, Fantes.com has odd shapes, including square (7.7" and 9.9"), triangle (6.4" and 9"), diamond (10.2" and 13.6"), double round and ring (10.4").

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BettyR

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I have three daughters...all three of them as well as their mothers in law want to place an order so we have more than enough to make a $50.00 order. I will be much easier for us to do here since I am so far away from you. Thank you so much for this link and the offer of help. Betty

maryserv's picture
maryserv

I'm glad that worked out for you!  Thanks!

maggiem's picture
maggiem

Stan had an interesting point on the country of origin. I am tempted to order some myself but a bit wary due to some of the toxic products that originate from China etc.


Any other thoughts?


Maggie

will slick's picture
will slick

Seriously, Since this is made from a natural product (Rattan) I don't see much danger of any toxins. If The material were man made I might have reservations.

Elagins's picture
Elagins

... just the reason for the significant price differential. Europeans make more like U.S. wages; China and other low-cost countries pay their workers far less.

Zenith's picture
Zenith

I really want two of their round baskets, but I can't justify spending $50 plus shipping.  And since I am far away in Maine, Mary, I guess I can't pick up any of your extras!

will slick's picture
will slick

Hi Stan I was referring to the post directly above my first post. I agree that the workmanship may not be as good as ones crafted in europe. For the price it is well worth a chance.


Stan had an interesting point on the country of origin. I am tempted to order some myself but a bit wary due to some of the toxic products that originate from China

SylviaH's picture
SylviaH

that there was a photo in their add showing a basket arrangement that looks very similar to what King Arthur Flours sells.  I wonder if they supply KAF?  I wish they had more variety in the shapes.


Sylvia

will slick's picture
will slick

More likely they used the photo from the K.A. web site without permission. personally I think it would be very short sited of them to favor retail type customers over an outfit like king Arthur who could probably sell a lot of there baskets. Just my opinion.

maryserv's picture
maryserv

Actually,


This company is one of the ones that the vendors get the product from.  Rattan is grown in countries in the Far East including China http://www.unesco.org/most/bpik16-2.htm Viet Nam http://www.valuechains4poor.org/file/Lao_PDR_Study_Rattan_Oct08.pdf and Indonesia http://www.fao.org/docrep/x5326e/x5326e0b.htm


I'm not thrilled about buying anything that so obviously is "made in China" but I'm even less thrilled in buying something for 6 times what the vendor paid, having them slap their name on it and thinking it "came" from somewhere else.  Ya know?? I do like that it is a renewable resource and it is something that provides a contribution to some of the world's very poorest places.


This all kind of makes me laugh, because I remember the phrase "underwater basketweaving" as a put down for classes that were "blow-off".  Don't we all wish we could at least do above ground basket weaving?  : )


This conversation could so quickly turn into a discussion of global economy, the movement of the manufacturing industry to overseas (non-US) countries, etc.  Don't want to go there...


So, anyway, if you've told me that you want to get some and would like for me to order - and haven't rescinded that request, then I am going to re-figure the order.  I hope to order tonight!


Thanks, Mary

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Mebake

Maryserv, would you ship 1 of each shape internationally?. I live in Dubai, UAE (Middle east, and i have recieved shipments from the states via USP priority mail), i'll pay for the 6$ + shipment.


Much regards


Mebake

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mrfrost

Just for the sake of discussion, and to put all the costs on the table; for the person that makes the original purchase of the minimum order of 9 baskets, the costs would be:


9 baskets at $6 each = $54


average shipping cost of about $10.


$54 + $10 = $64 total shipped US cost for 9 baskets


Average cost per basket: $64 / 9  = $7.11 each


For the original purchaser to then ship to secondary destinations, it looks like the shipping cost will be about:


Reshipping cost = $8.09 to $9.92 per shipment, depending on the size of the box.


Box size of 18x12x12" costs $9.92 to ship parcel post.


Box size no larger than 12" of any dimension cost $8.09 to ship.


Looks like the cost to ship a box size of 18x12x12" to UAR is about $33.


The cost of $7.11 per basket will need to be added to above shipping costs, of course.


I did all this in case I end up ordering 9 baskets(or ordering from an original purchaser). Of course, and original purchaser is free to add his own costs of packaging, time/effort, or whatever.


 

maryserv's picture
maryserv

Yep, that was what I was running into when I was checking on shipping you some to the Atlanta area.  The bulk-rate shipping is the difference between what the Lucky-Clover company is charging for shipping vs. what we would pay for if we walked a shipment into USPS.  Plus, it seems like shipping has gone up so much! 


That is why I think that if folks want to try this thing, they should offer to do it for their area and see who wants to participate.  It can't hurt to ask!

mrfrost's picture
mrfrost

Actually, Clover appears to use UPS as their shipper. But you're right, most businesses get lower shipping rates than individuals, whether it's from UPS, Fedex, post office(USPS), etc.

Elagins's picture
Elagins

if i stock those baskets and sell them for, say $11.95 plus $5-$8 shipping, how many would be interested?


of course, if you were to buy other stuff, the shipping on the brotform would go down ...


Stan Ginsberg
www.nybakers.com

maryserv's picture
maryserv

Sorry Stan,


I just put up a big post and didn't see this one before. 


Mary

Elagins's picture
Elagins

to spend the time and energy doing this.


S

maryserv's picture
maryserv

I made a spreadsheet 'cause this is getting confusing!  Not that there are a lot of folks doing this...I have only sephiepoo and JamieK ordering 3 baskets each.


Is this correct? 


 


Thanks, Mary

Elagins's picture
Elagins

i sent you a message ... Stan

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Mebake

Mebake

will slick's picture
will slick

Now if you can find me a Electrolux DLX for 1/4 the price that would be great! LOL


JUst kidding

will slick's picture
will slick

They came packed in a double cardboard box, I felt there could have been some other packing material. However they were not damaged. I have some dough fermenting I will use one right away!


mrfrost's picture
mrfrost

Do they fell pretty "solid"? Do you have similar basket to compare? Thanks.


Are they in fact, made in...? Not that it is an issue to me. As long as the quality is decent.


Thanks.

maryserv's picture
maryserv

Yay!  I'm holding off baking until they get here.  My shipment should be here tomorrow Lord willing and the creek don't rise! 


Thanks for the post!

hailtheface's picture
hailtheface

Thanks so much for posting this link.  I've been waiting forever to find a decent deal on these as well, and am about to pull the trigger.  However, I can't seem to find the smaller, rectangular basket pictured in the top right of your photo.  Am I just blind or did they perhaps sell out of that one?  Anyone know where I can find it?

mrfrost's picture
mrfrost

I'd bet some entity bought out their supply. You could probably contact them to see when/if more will come in.


Good luck. Post what you find out.


ps: I think their description for the one that seems to be missing rattan coil oblong basket.

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hailtheface

You are correct.  Shortly after posting here I realized they had a live chat option and got on that to ask.  I was informed they are out of stock on that size and said that they won't receive a fresh shipment until 'the end of the year', and that was as specific as they would get.  I also asked if they regularly carry any other sizes in that style, and I was informed by Karen that they do not.  Only the three rattan baskets pictured in Will Slick's photo above.  

will slick's picture
will slick

And seem to be well made. You have to really look to find a staple, I don't have any to compare because I was always to cheep to buy any. The coils are even. One of them has little slivers of the wood attached to the bottom coils. I am just going to trim them off. I really don't think they would effect anything truth be told. There is is no indecation as to where they are made. The upc tag just says lucky clover.

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mrfrost

Thank you, and congrats on the great deal.

will slick's picture
will slick

Do they need to be seasoned in anyway before I use them? would water hurt them if I want to rinse them before use? Thanks

mrfrost's picture
mrfrost

Breadtopia does a lot of videos, and often uses them. I'm pretty sure in one of them he actually shows how to "rinse" and dry them. If I find it I'll post a link. Any he means dry them "on"(not in) a range type stove/oven combo. Didn't check but maybe it's in one of the links below, carried over from my copy/paste of the text. 


http://www.breadtopia.com/store/bread-proofing-basket.html


"...Dust the basket with flour and the risen dough drops easily onto your baking surface. For proofing very wet doughs, as called for with the popular no knead bread recipes, for example, a coating of wheat bran will prevent sticking. You can see this done about half way through the long version of the no knead bread video, or in the video found here.


To clean your Brotform, rinse it out with hot water with your faucet in spray mode. Shake off excess water and place upside down over still warm oven to dry quickly. Don't use soap..."


 

Mini Oven's picture
Mini Oven

has the information....  Check with the older threads.

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will slick

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Mini Oven

Mini

will slick's picture
will slick

conspired to cause the over rise. First I raised my hydration second I doubled the amount of mother, last the dough got away from me due to an emergency leak I had to deal with. I started this bread at 9:30A.M. by 5:30pm It was  fermenting . By the time a arrived home at 11:30pm the dough had over proofed. Had I been home i would not have let it go that far and most likely would have enjoyed a nice oven spring. Alas work had to come first.

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koloatree

they fit 1.5lb loafs?

Ricko's picture
Ricko

I ordered 9 of the baskets which fullfilled the $50 minimum order requirement, and they arrived in fine shape. They're great baskets and exactly as shown / described.


I thought it was a great deal!

GBiAoS's picture
GBiAoS

I saw this post just after I started "lurking" on this site and ordered a set of each shape and I've been very happy with them.  Thanks Mary for the tip (if I'd been brave enough to register then I might even have joined your group order, I live near Clear Lake).


When I first got them I noticed the rattan appeared very dry my first loaves stuck pretty badly even though I used enough flour that it left quite a bit on the finished loaves.


The next time I used them I rubbed a thin coat of cutting board oil (food grade mineral oil) into one of the baskets.  The "seasoned" basket required much less flour to coat and the proofed dough popped out with no trouble.


Now that I've been using them a while it only takes a pinch of rice flour to recoat the baskets and I never have trouble getting the loaves out of the forms even with fairly high hydrations.

Chris23's picture
Chris23

Hi Can I get a couple of baskets from you ? I have been searching for this the longest time = )


I live in Hong Kong and I can't get any here.


Would appreciate it very much if I could get a round & an oval or rectangular one from you


Thank you and Blessings


Chris


 


 

foodslut's picture
foodslut

Just ordered up some round and some long rattan bannetons (no more oval ones that I could find).


Thanks, too, to GBiAoS for the maintenance tip - can't wait to try them out!

Chris23's picture
Chris23

Hi All


I called the company and they don't ship outside of USA... Will anyone like to sell me some baskets ? I'm happy with a round and one whatever shape. Or even just one !


Appreciate much.


Chris


 

Mini Oven's picture
Mini Oven

it shouldn't be hard to find the right size colander or plastic sieve for your needs, drape with a linen or cotton cloth, even a clean t-shirt will do.  I've used some micro-fabric dishtowels for interesting patterns.  Some fabrics will leave nice markings in your dough.   Dust the cloth with a mixture of rice flour and wheat flour or whatever flour is in the recipe.


Check out the disigns in David's blog.    http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/19220/sfbi-artisan-i-workshop-day-4


David turns out lovely breads and only a few use cane baskets.  Hong Kong must have a Baking goods store or restaurant supply.

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jyslouey

So good to finally come across a fellow Hong Konger.  I managed to get some at the weekend market in Bangkok when I was there in Sept.  I was absolutely thrilled and they sold for approx HK$70 for all three of them.



I was down at the bakery at Great and I was told that the bannetons they used for their breads were imported.  Queen's Road East has a rattan shop that sells wicker /cane baskets but they aren't quite deep enough.


Judy

copyu's picture
copyu

...and thanks for the reminder!


I was tempted to start a new thread, looking for HK-based bakers. I'm going to Hong Kong in December and I haven't had much luck finding what I want to know using google...I was wondering if you know whether they sell "Electrolux DLX" mixers in Hong Kong. I've been researching this subject of mixers for many months, and after a solid two days' worth of googling, last weekend, I am convinced that this is the one I need. 


No pressure, of course...I just want to know if you've seen or heard of them...and if it's likely I'll find one when I'm over there. I have so few choices, here in Japan. (The voltage difference won't be a problem for me.) Just wondering if you knew about them.


Thanks for any help!


copyu


 

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gary.turner

Quote:
No pressure, of course...
Oh, noes! Please don't push the red button. ;-D

cheers,


gary

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jyslouey

I looked up Electrolux HK on the internet,  checked their website, called the distributor but unfortunately they only stock white goods and other household electrical appliances such as coffee machines and vaccuum cleaners.  No Stand mixers. 


I on the other hand, like the Kenwood Titanium or Chef line but never used one.  You may wish to check out  the Panhandler shop in Prince's Bldg in Central.  I know they stock Dualit, Magimix and KA plus Bamix...They stock a lot of high end pots and pans and chef knives. I got my pizza stone for HK$100...not bad at all.

copyu's picture
copyu

Thank you very much for the information and that helpful tip about 'Panhandlers'.


Great deal on the pizza stone! Mine is nothing special and a bit on the thin side, but cost more than double that!


Much appreciated,


copyu

Chris23's picture
Chris23

I've checked for the Electroleux mixer here in HK and I don't think it's available.


The street that you may like to visit whilst in HK is Shanghai Street ( take the MTR train to "Yau Ma Tei" station and Exit B ). There are many shops there that carry all sorts of baking, cooking stuff for restaurants and you can basically find anything there = )


As for Kenwood, visit "Sogo" in Causeway Bay. Price is around HK$5000 for the more powerful units.


Happy Shopping


Chris

copyu's picture
copyu

Thank you very much for the information. It is much appreciated


I couldn't find anything about the DLX in Hong Kong after two days of searching the internet, but there's always a chance that someone 'in the know' will direct you to the right place, if the goods are for sale. (I had to try!)


I was so happy the last time I visited HK (June 2009) and discovered such great stores and supermarkets. I got more than 90% of the goods on my 'shopping list' in the first two stores I visited. HK$5,000 for a Kenwood is a great price for a customer from Japan 


I will definitely enjoy the shopping. Many thanks!


copyu


 

Chris23's picture
Chris23

Yes.. would love to connect with you.


Will send you my tel to your personal message box = )


Talk soon


Chris

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jyslouey

Pls check yr message box for my mob. no. and e-mail addy...Look forward to hearing from you.  We should go on a shopping spree to check out the tools and utensils on Shanghai St. :)

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jyslouey

especially if you're bringing JPY!! Alas, I have been wanting to go to Hokkaido for a winter holiday and have been putting it off year after year because of the very high exchange rate.  I'm glad you enjoy the shopping in HK...We need big spenders like youself and more recently, our comrades from PRC to keep our economy thriving :)  Please feel free to ask if you need  help with any specifc items that you wish to find while in HK.


Judy

copyu's picture
copyu

I was shocked when I saw I could buy HK$ for ¥10-11!


Unfortunately, I'm not really a 'big spender'...my salary went down, a year ago, by 25%...almost everyone I know in Japan lost between 10-30% with the recession...local prices haven't changed that much, though


My business is dying, but I have a wife who makes reasonably good money, so we're 'surviving'. I can't think of a better place to spend my yen than HK, though!


Last Xmas, while in Australia, I suggested to my family that we all go to HK for Xmas 2010...my brother works in the mid-East, his eldest son lives in Germany, we're in Japan...the other boys, both engineers, are all over the planet...HK is comfortable and almost "central" for most of us...we all love the place, as well! 


Best,


copyu

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jyslouey

here in HK.  You miay even catch some Christmas sale bargains if you're lucky. 


Judy

MNBäcker's picture
MNBäcker

O.k.,


I ordered some of these last year - unfortunately, they had been out of the "middle-sized" oblong ones last time. Then, they didn't have any at all. Now, they are finally back in, but at a cost of $9.00 instead of the $6.00 they were last year. I guess they caught on they were selling them to cheap - grrrr. Still cheaper than anywhere else I looked.


Just thought I'd let you guys know.

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joshpsawyer

Hi all,


What's the largest weight of dough you've had proofing in these baskets? I'm looking for something I can proof a ~1.5lb/0.68kg boule in, and I'm afraid these might be too small.


Anybody have any comment about the capacity?


 


Thanks!


— Josh

MNBäcker's picture
MNBäcker

Josh,


look at the dimensions listed for each basket - that should give you a pretty good idea. When we used these kinds of baskets in Germany, we easily fit a pound into the round ones or the middle sized ones (I think the middle size would be perfect for 1.5 pound loaves). The long one would also be good for 1.5 or even two-pound loaves. In part it will depend on how much your dough rises (or at what point you decide to bake the loaves).


 


Stephan

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MNBäcker

Received my order a week ago. Two things I didn't like (other than the price increase):


the round baskets do now not have a flat bottom anymore. I will need to get some sort of rings to place them on while the breads are proofing.


Secondly, the medium size oblong ones are not near as big as I had expected. Josh, get the round ones - they will easily hold a 1.5 boule. The oblong ones are actually smaller than the round ones.


Other than that, they are still made from the same material. I won't be able to fully "road-test" them before next year, but I expect to get years of use out of them.


 


Stephan