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Hello, I wanted to bake something easy today. I found Rose levy's Baily formula on line and made a single test batch. After shaping the six pieces of dough into tight balls I let them rest for one hour. When it came time to shape the baily I decided to make three bagels. I quickly heated a sm. pot of water & baking soda and started to shape my bagels. I used the punch a hole in the middle with your finger method, then just twirled it on my index finger. It worked great but next time they go right off my finger into the boiling water. I messed up the shape picking them back up after shaping. The Flat Baily is close to what a New York Baily looks like the onions did not stick next time i will push them into the dough instead of just lay them on. That's what a test run is for.