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Submitted by proth5 on May 22, 2009 - 4:32pm Baguette Surprise and Challenge – followed more closelyInspired by dmsnyder, I have been inching along on the challenge of making straight dough baguettes. I'm still getting over the fast action of commercial yeast, so I will try not to enthuse too much. This time I used my standard baguette formula (65% hydration) with 10% of my home milled high extraction flour and 90% King Arthur All Purpose. Instant yeast was used at .5%. I changed nothing else in the process - just the mix of flours I tried the trick of turning off the oven, but chickened out at two minutes. The crust immediately out of the oven was very crackly, but did get softer as the baguettes cooled, but not nearly as much as the last batch. This time I was able to concentrate on my scoring. The cooling baguettes are shown below. I don't want to k'vel, but I think they look pretty nice. I love this oven spring with commercial yeast! If anything they were a touch under proofed (gotta be me) but not by much. Oh, OK, a little uneven on a couple of slashes and some tearing. And here are the money shots. The crumb.
Not bad. So much depends on where the slice hits, but not bad. The taste? Again, lacking my little levain tang but pretty good. I would say a tad better than all white. The texture was fluffy. I'm sure that toasted tomorrow they will be very nice. Again, I would think this bread would be better in combination with "something else." I feel that it has a sweetness to it that David didn't taste. Here are my observations on technique:
Well, that's quite a binge of baguette baking. I'm not prepared to give up my levains and pre ferments, but it's nice to know I can start a bread at noon and have it by dinner if I am pressed. David, I hope these observations are useful.
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Lovely, Pat.
Thanks for adding to the collective experience.
I wonder if your altitude contributes to your fast rise. The yeast in my formula was about 1% less than most baguette formulas I've seen. I did not get any yeasty flavor (which I do not like) with it.
And, FWIW, the second time I made these I did get a sweet flavor. I am wondering if which white flour I use makes a difference.
David
Altitude and Rise
I've not noticed much difference in sea level vs my altitude rise. Mile High is right on the cusp of "high altitude" where breads are concerned. Actually, I believe that my bulk fermentation (1 hour - fold - 1 hour) was a bit longer than yours.
I've noticed that any time I work with the high extraction flour fermentation moves faster. I've actually changed my timings on my near whole wheat levain to be much less than my white levain. I suspect the high extraction flour is the culprit for the fast rise.
I'm trying a levain pre ferment with the addition of 0.25% of my new favorite plaything - commercial yeast - tomorrow. All white flour (got to get that baseline...) Wonder how that will go? I'll let you know.
Good on the sweet flavor. I am sure that the "brand" of white flour makes a difference in the taste because there is a lot of variablity in white flour and the specs to which it is ground/exact variety of wheat/wheat blends/etc. Do you have the specs on your different flours? Now that would be an interesting project for someone like me who has a slavish devotion to repeateble technique... (no no no no no no - can't get started on that)
Some days you get the bear
and some days the bear gets you. The "hybrid" bread with 12% of the flour prefermented with an innoculation rate of 25% levain (65% hydration, .25% yeast) was an interesting bread.
It had a very mild levain tang, mildly open fluffy crumb and didn't quite have that fun oven spring of a straight dough. It's not a bad bread by any stretch of the imagination, but didn't really bring the "best of both worlds." I think the shortened fermentation does take a toll. Bulk fermentation was 1 hour/fold/1 hour - as for the straight dough. I was iffy on the final ferment - I may have left it go too long.
The doctors at "the place" tell me I should not create a permanent internet record of breads that don't make me mostly happy - or I'll have to go back there, so no pics.
I would be interested in other folks' inspiration on hybrid breads...