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Why not use instant dry milk?

MarkS's picture
MarkS

Why not use instant dry milk?

I've noticed that many people here refer to non-instant dry milk in recipes. What is the difference and what harm can I be doing to my bread by adding instant dry milk? I cannot find non-instant locally and am unwilling to spend the money on shipping and my bread seems to come out fine with the instant powder.


Just a little curious...


Thanks,


Mark

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xaipete

Hi Mark. I'm a little confused about your question. Is there such a thing as non-instant dry milk?


--Pamela

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SylviaH

Hi Mark, King Arthur sells it for putting in bread...it's just a little different from regular instant milk you get in the stores...it's perfectly ok to use the regular instant milk...I use it all the time!


Sylvia

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xaipete

I use the milk powder from Bob's Red Mill. --Pamela

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SylviaH

Powder Buttermilk is also great to use and you get that added flavor... always handy if your out of fresh.  It's usually in the flour isle...refrigerate it after opened.  I used it St. Pats Day in my blogs Irish Tea Glazed Buttermilk bundt cakes recipe....great stuff for breads and baking.



Sylvia


 


 


 

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Galamomof1

SylviaH, we agree about the buttermilk, for sure!


My ears perk up when I see the bakers talking buttermilk in their breads.  Do you have a sourdough bread that uses buttermilk in the recipe?  Sounds if you seem to use buttermilk in several types of recipes.  Is this more of a typical Irish ingredient in bread? I'm new to baking and am still hunting down the memory of a buttermilk sourdough at my Grandmothers home growning up.Thats how my baking story started but the The Fresh Loaf has broadened my horizons.  I'm enjoying the trial and error of baking.  The family is loving my bread baking hobby. The family really enjoyed your Irish Soda bread with our corned beef brisket.  Thanks for sharing your family recipe. 


Gala from Texas

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SylviaH

Hi Galamomof1, Im glad you enjoyed the soda bread.  I have never made a 'sourdough with buttermilk'.  I love recipes for cakes, pastries, pancakes, biscuits, ect.  that have buttermilk in the recipes...like the one above..the recipe  for the buttermilk bundt is in my blog. However, I did find a recipe in a bread machine book by Beth Hensperger..It is called 'French Buttermilk Starter'.  I have photo copied it from the book.  I love her recipes in this book and they can be tweaked to hand mixing and baked in your oven.  She has buttermilk bread recipes.  Your asking for a 'sourdough' buttermilk bread recipe! 


I to have learned a lot from this site and Im not that experienced in making a lot of sourdough breads.  There are a lot of other people here much better experienced and could probably give you a recipe similar to how your Grandmother made her bread.  'Sourdoughlady' might be able to give you a recipe!! 


I glad to hear the recipe I gave worked well for you!  This bread is so loved in Ireland that is probably the  biggest reason why the use of buttermilk in Ireland is so popular.   


A Beth Hensperger Recipe - 3/4 cup unbleached flour-Large pinch of active dry yeast, 1 to 1 1/4 cups lowfat buttermilk / First feeding 2 Tbsp. AP ro Bread Flour/ 3 Tbsp. water... my photo is not very clear..hope this helps!



Sylvia


 


   

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ejm

I too use dried instant skim milk all the time. And I've used powdered instant buttermilk too. 


I think (but am uncertain) that the major difference between non-instant powdered milk and instant powdered milk is the amount to use per 250ml (cup) of water. I think (again, not sure) that less non-instant powdered milk is required to make a cup of milk.


-Elizabeth


P.S. It could also be sugar content. Doesn't commercial powdered milk have sugar in it?


 


edit: I use 1/3 cup (80ml) instant powdered milk with 1 c (250ml) water. And I have a vague recollection that one is only supposed to use 1/4 c (60ml) non-instant powdered milk for the same 1 c water.

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mredwood

The biggest difference in instant and non instant dry milk. Usually what you by in the grocery store is instant. It mixes easily with water to reconstitute and become liquid again. The noninstant tends to clump and you have to work out the lumps. I always put my non instant in with the dry ingredients. Mixing it with flour separates it nicely and it rehydrates easily. 


Mariah


 

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SylviaH

Same with the powderd buttermilk always mix with the dry ingredients.

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Paddyscake

with comments from Norm, our resident pro baker :


http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/6097/skim-milk-powder


Betty

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deblacksmith

The big difference between instant dry milk and baker's dry milk (say from King Arthur) is the way that they are made.  Instant dry milk is made in a low heat vacuum method and baker's dry milk uses a high heat method.  Results is that instant dry milk is somewhat like using fresh milk and using baker's dry milk is like using milk that has been scalded.  Many old recipes called for scalding the milk -- heating to 190 F.  This changes the way the milk effects yeast performance in the dough.  If you use baker's dry milk it is like using scalded milk and you will get a higher rise and a lighter bread.  You could of course scald you fresh milk or mix up you instant dry milk, scald it and get the same type of high rise results.


Fat content is another conversation.  The baker's dry milk from KA is non fat.


Dave

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apprentice

Hi Betty! I clicked on that url, and it didn't work. Went searching. This one is what got me there. Looks exactly the same as yours, which brought me to an error page instead. Mystery!

http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/6097/skim-milk-powder

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Galamomof1

Bread Machine Cookbook.  it is just what I was looking for. I just didn't know I had a buttermilk starter recipe in there.  You have been a big help


Gala from Texas