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Costco's bakers flour

rotibaso's picture
rotibaso

Costco's bakers flour

Does anybody knows which store sell bread flour in bulk in Los Angeles area?. It was mentioned in this forum that Costco sells bread flour, but when I checked the label only says Bakers flour Minnesota girl by Con Agra mills. Is that the same as bread flour? Their website didn't list the protein contents, and I need a high protein content while KA is too expensive for me.  


Any help will be appreciated.


 

xaipete's picture
xaipete

In Santa Rosa (sorry, that's pretty far from LA) you can buy 50 pounds of bread flour from Central Mills (I think that was the brand), but it was bleached, so I didn't try it.


--Pamela

macZiggy's picture
macZiggy

A food distributor, Goldberg and Solovy, sells 50# bags of King Arthur flour in Vernon, CA.  They do require a $100 total purchase, but that can come from a number of stuff they sell, like San Pellegrino sparkling water by the case, or canned tomatoes, or organic chicken, etc.  They have great prices for flour:


----KAF Sir Lancelot Hi-Gluten flour for $18.50 (50#)


----KAF Sir Galahad for $15.00 (50#)


Just picked these up.  They were very nice to do business with.   


 


 

mredwood's picture
mredwood

I am curious as to what kind of distributor Goldberg and Solovy are? Are they like a Smart and Final? We don't have s & f in Portland, OR but we do have a Cash & Carry. Still they carry a Pendleton Mills product without info. It says Power Hi Gluten but that can mean anything. Good flour in bulk is still expensive. $1.50 a lb.
I just made the semolina sandwich bread today. I put the water in first per directions forgetting to put in the lessor amt. When I put the flour in it was too wet so a little more flour. I used about a half cup of high gluten bread flour. It was more dough than fit in the pan so I went up a size. It rose beautifully baked nice and brown and looked impressive and smelled wonderful. I will be having it for breakfast with some good coffee. Can hardly wait.
Oh yes I have a half recipe of pain acine from BBA (forgive spelling please) in the fridge for tomorrow. I followed the recipe exactly and I love working with wetter doughs so it should come out pretty good. At least we know it will taste good. I have learned so much from reading your posts. Thank you all for taking the time.

Mariah

ddnsfca's picture
ddnsfca

Hi from San Francisco. I buy Smart and Final house brand - Chefs Review bleached bread flour in 25 lb bags. Since March '08 I have gone thru 900-1000 lbs of flour. Yes really. (We have 5 children and 12 grandchildren) I took the SFBI Artisan I course and really got my bread gene turned back on. All this bread goes to family and friends. I did many tests over the months with all flour brands I could find at local stores, all purpose, bread, high gluten, adding in vital wheat gluten, whole wheat, mixing flours together... but we always come back to the Smart & Final for the taste.


I use this flour exclusively now. It works well with my sourdough and straight doughs. Has a nice creamy color, always a good crumb. I have NEVER had anyone say to me "Don't give me any more of that bread". I make a lot of No Knead sour dough, acutally 2 -4 most days (Remember, lots of family and friends). I get a decent baguette, and like most of you I am always in search for the elusive perfect baguette. Some days I get it, some days I dont. My white and whole wheat sandwich loafs include SD starter, not so much for flavor, but I think improves the shelf life


Yes, I use this flour, with water put thru my Brita, to keep my starter (which is actually more like a giant container of poolish since I use so much). My starter rarely goes in the frig. I have lots of free time and really enjoy fussing with the process.

sawyatt's picture
sawyatt

Honeyville Grainery in Rancho Cucamonga has several flours you can purchase in bulk.  I prefer unbleached flour. Their artisan flour is 11.8-12.2% protein, hi-gluten between 13.1-13.8% protein, etc.  Average price for a 50# bag is between $16-18.  They have a site online, but for those prices you need to pickup.  If you email them, they'll send you their price list and hours.

ArieArie's picture
ArieArie

I mail order flour from Honeyville (50lb bags) for a while and really like it.. 


 

Marni's picture
Marni

If you live anywhere near Vernon, ( South of LA, I think)  there is a King Arthur distributor that will sell to the public.  They require large purchases, $100 minimum, if I remember correctly but the price was good.  You can find them through the KAF site.


I also used to use Smart and Final bread flour.  The bread came out great and tasted fine, but I am trying not to use bleached and bromated flours. ( Although it may not be bromated)  It's a great price.


Also, it's not bulk, but Whole Foods' 365 brand is cheaper than KAF and they give discounts of 10% for products bought by the case,  that might work for you.


Hope this helps,


Marni

rotibaso's picture
rotibaso

Thanks for all the info, I will definitely check Smart & Final and Honeyville in Rancho Cucamonga. $100 worth of flour is just too much for me :)


 


 

gnowetan's picture
gnowetan

We're down in LA, but we did some rough math and it's actually cheaper now to go down to our local Trader Joe's and buy the 5 lb bag of KA Unbleached for $3.99 (less than $1/lb!!) than to go out to Rancho Cucamonga.  The Vernon Distributor looks pretty good, but I don't know if I'm quite ready to buy $100 worth of flour.  Anyone wanna go halfsies?


Does anyone know the quality of the Whole Foods brand?  How does it stack up against KA (protein content)?


-nate
http://ecowongs.wordpress.com

LindyD's picture
LindyD

Nate, Trader Joe's is no longer carrying King Arthur flour. As stated on the KA website:


 




As many of our longtime flour customers know, Trader Joe’s stores have been a reliable source for our flour in many communities across the country.  We’re grateful to Trader Joe’s for being the first retailer to carry King Arthur Flour in many markets, particularly in the Western U.S.


Now that our flour has made its way onto most grocery store shelves throughout the country, Trader Joe’s has decided to discontinue King Arthur Flour in their store. This fits with their mission to sell their own Trader Joe’s brand products.


We want to be sure that those of you who’ve become accustomed to buying our always-consistent, high-quality King Arthur Flour at Trader Joe’s know where to find it elsewhere in your community. Our store locator will help you find a retailer near you, no matter where you live.


Please don’t hesitate to contact us at 800.827.6836 if you have any trouble finding our good King Arthur Flour at a store near you.


 


gnowetan's picture
gnowetan

I guess I'd better go stock up!

ivyb's picture
ivyb

Because that is where I buy my KAF..... 10 lb. bag for $4.69.  (And I complained when it went up 20cents!) 


Ivy


 

gnowetan's picture
gnowetan

I asked at my local TJ's (Whittier, CA), and they didn't know anything about it... they did, however, begin to stock TJ's brand flour (which has 4 grams of protein, just like KA).  It was thirty cents less than KA (I think). 

xaipete's picture
xaipete

Do you think that TJ's brand is a private label of KA? Does anyone know where TJ's brand says it is being made?


--Pamela

gnowetan's picture
gnowetan

Finally found proof of the discontinuation:


Important news about King Arthur Flour and Trader Joe’s


There's also a pretty funny blog entry where the KA test kitchen "fights back" by making their own version of Candy Cane Joe Joe's: Say It Ain't So Joe's!


This IS the best price that I've been able to find for KA flour, so if you've got one nearby, time to stock up!

xaipete's picture
xaipete

I got an email notification about this from King Arthur today. So I guess they aren't too happy about TJs decision.


--Pamela

mredwood's picture
mredwood

Costco in Portland only sells bleached flour. My guess is your best bet will be to find a co-op. If it were me I would go to every grocery store till I found one that sold Stoneburr. It is a good northwest company. Another good bet if money is an issue is the store brand of unbleached flour on sale. Good Luck 


Mariah

Paddyscake's picture
Paddyscake

is a great Pacific northwest grown flour. Safeway in the Portland, OR metro area carries it. I like it too!


Betty

rotibaso's picture
rotibaso

Has anybody tried ConAgra's flour?


Does anyone knows if protein content and gluten content in the flour somehow related?

xaipete's picture
xaipete

The ConAgra flour is bleached--at least at my Costco. --Pamela

mredwood's picture
mredwood

KA flour can be purchased at New Seasons in Portland for $9.49 for 5 lbs. Freddies had it a few days ago for $4.49 for 5 lbs. I must say I was shocked at the price at new seasons and took a few steps back to really check it out, dollar and lbs correct. Next I'll check out TJs but what I have noticed is they replace a product with their brand and there brand is ok but inferior. I have shopped at Tjs for so long I can't remember how long. Costco does the same thing. Costco has never carried an unbleached flour. I have shopped Costco from Alaska to the South to the north east. I wish they would. If all of us Costco bakers requested unbleached flour maybe they would consider it. They have more organics every week. Sorry for the rant.


Mariah


 

rockfish42's picture
rockfish42

In the SF bay area they actually carry Central Milling unbleached organic flours at reasonable prices at some of their stores.

cake diva's picture
cake diva

I've been consuming at least a bag of flour a week and would prefer to buy the 25# or 50# bags.  As I said in a previous thread, in Cincy the CGS carries only bleached flour from ConAgra.  Maybe I'll have better luck in the Chicago Metro area.  Anybody know where I can get the above?  Thanks in advance.

twgiffin's picture
twgiffin

Cincy - Gordon Food service carries bulk flour - I am not sure what brand though.


I noticed that Wheat contracts on the CBOT went up 31% today and the dollar is falling on the currency markets. Inflation is starting to rumble big time.


Bread is going to get more expensive as will every other thing we eat! 


 

asicign's picture
asicign

Up until this month Costco here in Houston only carried bleached flours.  I've made suggestions on the Costco site, and lo and behold, this week I discovered that they now carry Central Mills unbleached organic all-purpose flour.  I need to write again to thank them, and to suggest they also carry unbleached bread flour.

osx-addict's picture
osx-addict

the aforementioned Goldberg and Solovy or Honeyville Grainery in the LA area sell to the public?  It doesn't appear that Honeyville does from a quick peek around their site (but I could be wrong) -- but I'm not sure about the other.. I don't have a business license or anything like that -- just another home baker as time permits..

mrfrost's picture
mrfrost

Pretty high prices though, but cheap shipping. Volume discounts.


I think they may even have brick/mortar store(s). Where though, don't know. I would think better prices at the real store.


Occasional email coupons. I have received coupons up to 15% off. Sign up on main store page. May take a while before you get coupons. Don't seem to have them too often.


http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/


I have never made a purchase there.

FaithHope's picture
FaithHope

I know Sam's Club carries Bread Flour and High Gluten Bread Flour I guess one step up from the Bread Flour.  It is bleached though.  But I guess it's better than nothing if you can't find more around.


I have AMISH!!! :)  They sell a 25 pound bag of unbleach hi-gl. bread flour!  It's SO AWESOME TOO!  But we're way out here in MO. :(  Sorry!


But, maybe you could try Sam's?

macZiggy's picture
macZiggy

I just bought some flour at Goldbery & Solovy, a food distributor in Vernon, CA (near LA), and they are now carrying Sperry organic bread flour made by General Mills.  It's $25 for 50#.  They also carry King Arthur's Sir Galahad ($16 for 50#); Sir Lancelot ($18 for 50#) and Special Bread ($20 for 50#)


 


They have a $100 minimum purchase policy but I have found if you buy the flour you want, you can also buy other things to pad out the minimum, such as San Pelliigrino, canned tomatoes, organic chicken, etc.  They have products listed on their website.  They are great to deal with.

osx-addict's picture
osx-addict

macZiggy -


Do you need to be a restaurant/business to buy from Goldbery & Solovy?  Just curious.. Thanks!

Marni's picture
Marni

I'll jump in and answer since I'm here.  It's just "cash & carry"  But I just want to correct a typo- The company name is Goldberg and Solovy ('g' at the end, not 'y')


Marni

macZiggy's picture
macZiggy

Sorry about the typo.  Yes, it's Goldberg & Solovy.  Here's there website:


http://www.gsfoods.com/default.htm


 


You don't have to have a business to buy from them.  I found them to be very friendly. I think they are used to dealing with a lot of upstart businesses.  The first time I went to get flour there--last March--the cashier told me about the last customer he had who was starting a pizza business and hoped to make pies using a combination of Sir Lancelot (hi gluten) and Queen Guinevere (cake) which I thought was interesting.


 


Just call them, tell them it's the first time you are ordering and they will guide you through the process.  I went online and got the item numbers of the flours I wanted to save time.  Their prices are very good.  They have a $100 minimum (but you can purchase other things besides flour to pad that out).  


My only complaint is that I wish they carried organic King Arthur flour.


 


You can even place an order the same day as pickup.  You have to have cash. You might be able to establish an account with them, but I haven't.


 


I put the flour I buy in 22-QT plastic containers from a local restaurant supply store in Colton.  They are very inexpensive compared to the tubs on the King Arthur website.  I went through 200 pounds of flour last winter and fall (can't bake in the summer where I live although I

did make baguettes, pizza and pitas on the grill).

foobaron's picture
foobaron

G&S sounds great, but how do you find out their prices before you order?  I've searched through their whole website and can see the catalog of products they carry, but not the prices.  When I wrote to them at the email contact on their website about how to login and order, they wrote back "we don't sell to the general public".  Maybe I should have just called as you said; I just couldn't figure out how to get prices without requesting an account.


Can you describe how you ordered from them in a bit more detail?  I would love to be able to make this work.


Thanks!


Chris

macZiggy's picture
macZiggy

I just called the number on their website and told whoever answered that I wanted to place an order.  Then I was transfered to another person who took the order.  They also qouted me the prices for specific foods that I ordered because, as you can see, the prices are not on the website).  Then I said I would pick everything up that day in the PM and got the total $$$ (which was $106.00).  The guy said that my order would be under the name "Nicole", even though that's not my name.  In fact, they never asked me for my name, which is funny!


 


That afternoon, I drove over to their warehouse and went to a "will call" door where there was a guy sitting at a register.  I paid for the order and a warehouse guy put everything in my SUV (the whole order was waiting on a trolley nearby).


 


They were really nice about the whole purchase.  I think a lot of small businesses use them.

BellesAZ's picture
BellesAZ

It has always done a decent job for me, but for artisan breads I usually try and go with KA or Montana Wheat, which I love!  You can now order their flours online.  Whenever I go home to visit, I load up the car with flour.  Hit a pot hole once and when we got home, there was flour all over the trunk.  Mwahahahah.


www.wheatmontana.com


 

bananaman's picture
bananaman

I am doing research on Pendleton Mills flours. I have contacted both their customer service and area sales rep with a request to send me the complete specifications on their flours. I noticed that Semifreddi's bakery in the SF Bay Area links to them from their site; that is a great endorsement and makes me think that their flour should be high quality and unbromated. I will report back once they contact me and let me know about their products. Hopefully they have something as professional as what you can get from General Mills via download. Their web site is completely superficial.


UPDATE: Received a reply and spec sheets from Matt Perry, who is the sales representative for the Northwest USA. Power High Gluten Flour is available in 25 and 50 lb. bags from Cash and Carry. This chain is owned outright by Smart and Final, so you may be able to find their stuff (or order it) through them as well. Protein is 12.8% plus or minus 0.2, and moisture 14.5% maximum. This is an enriched, unbromated flour (none of their flours are bromated.) They use a fungal amylase in place of malt. I read up on this and it seems the advantage is that the result is more consistent and strengthens as more heat is absorbed, enhancing the breakdown of starches into sugars and other flavorful components. Sounds technical, but us humans produce amylase to help digest our food. Their other principal bread flour is Morbread. It has Ascorbic Acid (Vit C) added as a dough conditioner. Protein comes in as 12.0%, moisture at 14.5% maximum, so spec-wise it is quite close to Power. For those who care, it is Kosher approved. Finally, there's AP Institutional. This is an all-purpose with protein content of 9 to 10 percent. Available as both bleached and unbleached.


One final note about Pendleton: all their products are available for special order through Cash and Carry, or so I am told by the rep. Looking through their catalog is interesting. The one item that stands out for me is Big Spring, which is a "1st Clear" flour. This is a very hard category to find. Only available in 50 lb. bags. Try that for your next rye bread.