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500 g liszt250 ml tej3 tojás sárgája5 dkg vaj5 dkg porcukor1 kávés kanál só1 vaníliás cukorkevés reszelt citromhéj25 g élesztő  Felfuttatjuk az élesztőt langyos tejben majd az összes hozzávalóval kicsit keményebb tésztát gyúrunk.Duplájára kelesztjük, majd formázzuk.Tepsire téve le kenjük tojással és 20 perc pihentetés után 180 fokos forró sütőbe tesszük. 35-40 perc alatt szép pirosra sütjük.
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Sticky dough --- again!

December 9, 2016 - 12:08am -- gong

Hi, I have a problem again with my dough being too sticky.

I used 200g bread flour, 200g whole wheat, 200g semolina. I added 420g water (70%) and 8% starter. Autolyses for 40 minutes and then 4 S&F with 30-40 minutes rest. The gluten seems to have been developed nicely and dough is very extensible. I bulk fermented for 12 hours and this morning I was trying to shape the loaf. Dough seems very sticky and cannot be handled easily. Anyway I shaped and but in a banneton and left it it the fridge for 8 hours, till I get back from work and bake.

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I have come to appreciate that more is not always better, that complex is not necessarily tastiest...rather, I am trying now to complement the flavour of different grains with whatever additions I think might be nutritionally beneficial while still maintaining a moderately open crumb, chewy texture and crisp crust.  I guess it's a reflection of how much I have been influenced by Robertson's approach to baking his Tartine breads; he explains in Tartine 3 how his time spent with Richard Bourdon developed his obsession with natural leavened bread and desire to develop alternative approaches to using whole grains. Sprouted grains, soakers, cracked grains, toasted seeds, double fermented grains, porridges - all explored with the intent of adding "...a new range and depth of flavours while maintaining ideal structure and volume", maintaining the aesthetic and textural qualities characteristic of his bread. And that is what I am trying to create - bread with a good blend of flavour, nutritional value and a moist, chewy crumb, thin crispy crust. This is not a blanket promotion/endorsement of all things Robertson/Tartine nor a slam on any of the many other talented and creative bakers like Hamelman, Hitz, Forkish etc...simply a statement of where I am right now, where I want to go.

So, here's today's bake, more experimentation and another iteration in my pursuit of learning how to bake simple, well-made sourdough bread. This time, a multigrain sourdough bread - 30% flour from a fresh milled mix of rye, spelt, red fife grains; 70% all purpose unbleached flour; 40% stiff porridge made from toasted, mashed millet/flax seeds/sprouted rye berries; 22% young levain (4 hours); 83% final dough hydration; cold proofed 11 hours



 The boule opened up nicely this time with a spiral "yin/yang" scoring pattern...


And the batard , scored with a single, centre slash...


The crust and crumb...turned out soft and chewy with a nice nutty, slightly grassy flavour from the mashed rye sprouts, ground toasted millet, flax seed porridge and the crust was nice and crisp, very tasty

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lack of degassing?

December 8, 2016 - 10:09pm -- jimt

Well I have been getting excited about making croissants this weekend and figured it would be nice to make something easy tonight to get me in the mood for the weekend. I've been trying some new things lately and purchased a bag of durum wheat flour to use to make some Italian breads...I bought GM extra fancy and it is very fine grained compared to other Semolinas I've had. 

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Bernard Clayton Jr's The Breads of France, Daniel Leader's Local Breads, and Joe Ortiz' The Village Baker each offer formulas, recipes, and lore on European bread. The authors, all from the USA, published their books between 1978 and 2007 after travels in France, Italy, Germany, Czechoslovakia (as it was then), and Poland. In recent weeks I've been concentrating on French breads from these books, specifically pain campagne and pain de seigle.

The latter, the rye bread, has been an interest and a challenge of mine for a long time. As a kind of merging of influences from those books, I produced the rye and raisin loaf pictured here a few days ago. This is the formula I used:

Overall baker's percentages

  • water 77%
  • rye flour 73%
  • whole wheat flour 9%
  • all purpose flour 18%
  • raisins 12%
  • salt 1.8%


  • water 100%, 165 grams
  • rye flour 100%, 165g
  • rye sourdough 25%, 41g


  • water 67%, 289 grams
  • rye flour 61.6%, 265g
  • whole wheat flour 12.3%, 53g
  • all purpose flour 24.6%, 106g
  • raisins 16.5%, 71g (not counting soaking water)
  • salt 2.6%, 11g
  • leaven 77.8%, 330g (after removing 41g for future use)

I made the leaven using a stiff 100% rye soudough I'd started a week or so before to make one of the French ryes from The Village Baker. The leaven for this rye and raisin loaf fermented overnight, for about 14 hours. The raisins soaked separately overnight in their own weight of water.

Using a sieve I captured the water not bloating the raisins to use as part of the water for mixing the dough. There was something like 23g of that raisin juice to sweeten things a little.

For the mix, after taking the 41g of chef from the leaven I added the raisin juice and the rest of the water. Next came the all purpose flour. Using a bamboo rice paddle I stirred in the all purpose flour and then the whole wheat flour. The batter was just thick enough to work vigorously in hopes of activating the gluten. Next I worked in the rye flour. Once the rye was thoroughly incorporated the dough rested for 20 minutes or so.

After the rest period I worked the dough by hand in a bowl using techniques from Flour, Water, Salt, Yeast, and Tartine Bread. These consisted of alternately squeezing the dough body between splayed fingers and thumb for a while and then stretching and folding in the bowl several times. A windowpane test isn't really possible for dough with this much rye flour, but the mixing is done when the dough feels smooth and somewhat extensible, if not really elastic.

Primary fermentation lasted just an hour, followed by shaping into a boule and proofing for four hours. To bake the loaf I preheated a cast iron Dutch oven on a middle shelf of our kitchen range to 480° F. Once the loaf was in the oven in the oven, I set the temperature to 450° and baked for 30 minutes. At this point, the top came off the Dutch oven and the baking temperature was set down to 425°. After 20 more minutes I turned off the oven, took the bread from the Dutch oven bottom, and placed on that middle rack of the now-cooling stove for ten more minutes.

I managed to wait until the next morning before cutting into the loaf -- not the recommended 24 hours, but the temptation was considerable. As intended, the raisins nicely balanced the rye tang. There was enough wheat flour to give the crumb a bit of lightness. Making 1/3 of the wheat flour whole grain meant that 82% of the flour used was whole grain. My wife much prefers whole grain bread, and I much prefer my wife!


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