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alefarendsen's picture
alefarendsen

Thoroughly confused about baker %, does it include levain?

So,

I always thought bakers percentages are ratios of ingredients measured again total flour in a dough. So, for example:

  • 200 grams 100% hydration levain
  • plus 600 grams of flour
  • equals 700 grams of total flour (600 + 100 from levain)
  • Which would mean 14 grams of salt would be 2% in bakers percentage

But now I'm reading Tartine and on page 48 it says:

  • Water 750 grams = 75%
  • Leaven 200 grams = 20%
  • Total flour 1000 grams = 100%
  • white flour 900 grams = 90%
  • whole wheat flour 100 grams = 10%
  • salt 20 grams = 2%

Just to be sure that the total flour doesn't include the flour from the leaven: later in the recipe he says, take the leaven, mix it with water, then add 900 grams of white and 100 grams of whole wheat flour.

In my calculations 2% of the above would be 2% of 900 (white) + 100 (ww) + 100 (from levain) = 2% of 1100 = 22.

So, what am I missing, or... simpler: do you account for levain flour in the baker's percentage?

thanks a bunch,

alef

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alefarendsen

Tartine basic country bread with room temp bulk fermentation

Ideally I'd like to have a nice bread that I mix the dough for in the evening, bulk ferment it overnight on the counter and finish by shaping, proofing and baking in the morning. To get there I started experimenting yesterday with the Basic Country bread from Tartine and modifying the schedule and levain % to extend the bulk fermentation.

While at it I mixed two batches of dough, each with different %s of levain, one at 6% and one at 10%. Room temperature started at about 18C/64F in the early morning, to about 68F later in the morning and for the remainder of the day and evening.

  • 22:10 mixed 25 grams of starter (100% hydration) with 125 grams of starter mix (40% WW, 10% rye and 50% Italian tipo 2) with 125 grams of water (18C/65F) and let rise overnight
  • 08:50 the levain has little over doubled in volume and I'm starting the autolyse on the two batches of dough, both 450 white (tipo 0), 50 grams whole wheat, 350 water @ 11C/52F (no levain added, as I'd like to postpone the fermentation for as long as possible)
  • 09:30 mixing two final doughs with the levain (60 grams on one of them, 100 grams on the other), salt (10 grams each batch) and a last bit of water (50 grams @ 52F). This brings dough hydration to 73% and 75% respectively. Bulk fermentation starts with DT of 64F and volume is about 1 liter.
  • 10:05 stretch and fold
  • 10:35 stretch and fold
  • 11:05 stretch and fold. DT is now 66F. The two doughs are still very much alike
  • 11:35 stretch and fold
  • 13:50 DT is now 68F (which is also the ambient temp). Dough in first batch (the one with more starter) seemed to have risen a tiny bit more than the second batch and more airpockets seem to have developed in the first batch. Volume has still not increased a lot though. Maybe now that temp has gone up to 68F things will speed up a bit.
  • 14:55 The difference between the first and the second batch is now clearly visible. The first has risen slightly more and there are definitely more and bigger airpockets in the dough. Also the surface is showing more signs of bubbling in the blue (first) batch than in the second. Now leaving for a few hours, probably coming back at around 6'ish.
  • 21:50 Just came back. Wasn't supposed to stay out this long but friends invited us over for dinner and I had some trouble parking the car. Volume has increased on both doughs, to about 1.4 liters in the first and 1.6 or 1.7 liters in the second. Not sure when bulk fermentation is finished. Poke test has the doughs both spring back, but not really fast. It's been almost 12 hours now. Decided to start dividing and shaping. DT is still 68F. Starting with a pre-shape. Dough feels elastic, not feeling a real difference between the two batches. Doing a bench rest
  • 22:20 After a 30 minute bench rest doing the final shape now. Not noticing a huge difference between the loaves so far
  • 22:30 Retarding the boules in bannetons the fridge (42F) for the night. Wouldn't normally do this, but don't want to stay up all night ;-)
  • 09:00 Taking the first batch from the fridge and letting them proof a bit more while heating the oven at 245C/475F
  • 09:45 - 12:30 Baking the loaves in a Dutch oven (22 lid on & 10m lid off) with a 5 minute reheat in between to get the oven back up to 245C/475F

I was hoping and actually expecting to see a lot of differences between the two batches of dough having different levain percentages, but there wasn't any really... Taste, crumb, crust, looks, they're all the same. Taste was wonderful by the way. Not overly sour, just great!

So in short, by modifying the levain percentages I was able to extend the bulk fermentation to about 12 hours.

 

Bulk fermentation of the dough with 10% levain.

Bulk fermentation on the second dough (lower levain %). You can clearly see the difference.

Crumb looks great IMO. Crust in some places a bit bold, but that's probably due to my not lowering the temp after removing the lid of the DO. Scoring is still not very good, I have to get myself a lame.

Any comments / recommendations?

cheers,

Alef

 

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jungnickel

...more

this time i made them a bit heavier, round 300 g before baking, 240 after, 69 % hydration, i do an autolyse, then i  mix in salt and yeast by hand, then it goes in the fridge. after a day of fridge rest i divide the dough and preshape, 15 min later i shape it and let it proof for 25 min, cut, oven for 25 min.

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nmygarden

Multigrain Brown Rice with Shallots and Poppy Seed

Okay, so I started with the brown rice, which is so good in bread... and of course added polenta, with its homestyle goodness, and a 50/50 blend of WW (Red Fife from Grist & Toll in Pasadena) and BF... then wanted a little something more to really establish a theme, and found some shallots that were begging to be included, and added some poppy seeds for color and a bit more texture. And this is what happened.

Big, sturdy and boisterous, a bit moist (could have left it on the stone in the oven for a few minutes more), but sliced up beautifully and the aroma is so tempting. I'm thinking Panini sandwiches with cheese, artichoke hearts and roast beef.

I love making it up as I go and using anything and everything in the kitchen (but perhaps not all at once) as inspiration. Everyone enjoy your baking this week!!!

Cathy

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Abelbreadgallery

Mona de brioche

This is a typical sweet bread we make every year in Easter time. It is basically a brioche dough, decorated with chocolate eggs, and toy figures.

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PetraR

Bread rolls with dark treacle and sesame on top

I baked these bread rolls today and thought I share the recipe with you.

The rolls are on the sweet side and perfect for all toppings from Jam to cheese...

 

First Image shows the rolls fresh out of the oven and cooling.

Second Image shoes the crumb of the roll.

Third Image shows MY ROLL with butter , I had to be quick before they are all gone again like yesterdays batch lol.

 

 

Recipe:

500g wheat flour

200g wholemeal flour

450g warm water 

100g  active 100% hydration sourdough starter 

    2 tsp instant yeast

    2 tbsp oil

   1 tbsp dark treacle

 

Method : 

Mix all ingredients together and knead until you get a smooth and elastic dough.

* With wetter dough I do french kneading *

Form dough into a ball and put in an oiled bowl, cover with plastic wrap and bulk ferment until doubled in size or up to 2 hours.

Degas the dough divide 10 , shape into 10 small boules and put seamside down on a parchment lined baking tray.

Cover with plastic wrap and let rise for 30-45 minutes.

Preheat oven to 250 C.

Brush the rolls with egg wash and sprinke with sesame seeds.

Put the rolls in the oven and turn down the heat to 200 C and bake the rolls for 30-35 min. if they brown to quickly do cover them losely with Aluminium foil.

I do not use a fan oven , so you reduce the heat by 20 C if you use a fan oven.

 

 

 

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Isand66

Guinness Polenta Porridge Bread

I'm a little late for a St. Paddy's day bread, but I do have to say this one is worth the wait.  The combination of Guinness, polenta with mixed whole grain flakes as a porridge and potatoes created a wonderfully moist and flavorful loaf.  I threw in some freshly sprouted and ground whole wheat flour just for good measure.  If you have not tried a porridge bread yet, than all I can say is you don't know what you are missing!

If you are worried that the Guinness will overpower the bread, don't worry your little heads off :).  The beer really only adds a subtle undertone flavor and if you didn't know it was in the dough you would have a hard time guessing it was present.

Now if Spring would only decide to show up and wipe away the snow we had yesterday I would be much happier.  At least I have a nice hearty bread to go along with the 27 degree weather :).

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Guinness Porridge Bread (%)

Guinness Porridge Bread (weights)

Here are the Zip files for the above BreadStorm files.

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Levain Directions Build 1

Mix all the levain ingredients together  for about 1 minute and cover with plastic wrap.  Let it sit at room temperature for around 7-8 hours or until the starter has doubled.  I used my proofer set at 83 degrees and it took about 4 hours.

Levain Directions Build 2

Add in the sprouted whole wheat flour and the water and mix for a minute.  Let it sit at room temperature for around 7-8 hours or until the starter has doubled.  I used my proofer set at 83 degrees and it took about 4 hours.  I put it in the refrigerator and used it the next evening but you can use it to mix the main dough right away if you want.

Porridge Directions

Add about 3/4's of the water called for in the porridge to the dry ingredients in a small pot set to low and stir constantly until all the water is absorbed.  Add the remainder of the water and keep stirring until you have a nice creamy and soft porridge.  Remove from the heat and let it come to room temperature before adding to the dough.  I put mine in the refrigerator and let it cool quicker.

 Main Dough Procedure

Mix the flours  and the water for about 1 minute.  Let the rough dough sit for about 20 minutes to an hour.  Next add the levain, cooled porridge, potatoes and salt and mix on low for 4 minutes and speed #2 for another 2 minutes or by hand for about 6 minutes.   You should end up with a cohesive dough that is slightly tacky but very manageable.  Remove the dough from your bowl and place it in a lightly oiled bowl or work surface and do several stretch and folds.  Let it rest covered for 10-15 minutes and then do another stretch and fold.  Let it rest another 10-15 minutes and do one additional stretch and fold.  After a total of 2 hours place your covered bowl in the refrigerator and let it rest for 12 to 24 hours.  (Since I used my proofer I only let the dough sit out for 1.5 hours before refrigerating).

When you are ready to bake remove the bowl from the refrigerator and let it set out at room temperature still covered for 1.5 to 2 hours.  Remove the dough and shape as desired.

The dough will take 1.5 to 2 hours depending on your room temperature and will only rise about 1/3 it's size at most.  Let the dough dictate when it is read to bake not the clock.

Around 45 minutes before ready to bake, pre-heat your oven to 550 degrees F. and prepare it for steam.  I have a heavy-duty baking pan on the bottom rack of my oven with 1 baking stone on above the pan and one on the top shelf.  I pour 1 cup of boiling water in the pan right after I place the dough in the oven.

Right before you are ready to put them in the oven, score as desired and then add 1 cup of boiling water to your steam pan or follow your own steam procedure.

After 5 minute lower the temperature to 450 degrees.  Bake for 35-50 minutes until the crust is nice and brown and the internal temperature of the bread is 205 degrees.

Take the bread out of the oven when done and let it cool on a bakers rack before for at least 2 hours before eating.

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gerhard

Tonights Pizza

Made pizza for dinner tonight, the crust was made with sourdough and the topping were fried mushrooms with onion, green peppers, fresh mozzarella pulled apart by hand and freshly grated parmesan cheese.  Baked at 500 F for 13 minutes.  The dough was in the fridge about 18 hours.  The crust was both crisp and chewy just the way we like it.  We had two more with slight variations in toppings including meat on one.

Gerhard

 

 

 

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jackiex

Question about flours in sourdough starter

Hi all,

I started a sourdough seed/starter about 10 days ago following the instructions from Peter Reinhart's artisan bread every day. I though it was ready to make bread after a week, but it wasn't. I did quite a bit of search and reading and started feeding it almost twice daily with a combination of rye and bread flour with 100% hydration (66% in the book though). I switched to all purpose flour for the last two feedings. I noticed that it was more active with all purpose flour and I could see lots of bubbles on the top in 12 hours, but it didn't rise as much, only about 1.5 times instead of 2 times. With rye flour, it took about 24 hours to see bubbles on top with rise and fall.

Is it normal for the starter to take longer to absorb the feeding with rye flour than all purpose flour? Shouldn't all purpose flour gets more rise than the rye flour?

Thanks!

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cloudsnapper

Starter smells like latex paint

My starter is about 3 or 4 weeks old and it started smelling like latex paint a few days ago. It was going really well. I had made crackers, a loaf with commercial yeast added, and pancakes. They all came out delicious. 

It's all-purpose flour, wild yeast from my house, and I've been feeding it every day the same weight flour and water. I did skip a day a couple times more recently, and have slacked off weighing and estimated a few times. I guess my slacking is where it went wrong. It also got over 70 degrees outside this week. My husband thinks that's the issue, it got warm outside and now there's something gross living there. My house is still nice and cool inside.

Do I need to dump it and start over? Can it be rehabilitated?

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