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sallam

Baking with dry starter

Greetings

Does anyone here bake with a dry starter?

Today, I stumbled upon this french-sourdough-bread-from-a-powdered-starter-recipe at KAF website, which uses a powdered starter they sell online here. It comes in a tiny pack that contains 5g, enough for making 12 sourdough loaves.

The idea caught my attention. If that really works, then we can dry our own starter, and use just 1/4t each time we bake. No need to maintain or feed anything, as the powder form lasts for a year in the fridge. And we can dry more anytime.

When baking, all we need, according to KAF, is to make a sponge, 18-20h ahead, made of  1/4t dry starter powder disolved in 1c warm water, and mixed with 2c flour (2/5 of total flour).

Does a dry starter has enough yeast power to make the dough rise on its own? because I noticed that their recipe has 1/2t IY in the final dough.

Did anyone try this before?

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ngolovin

Beer Yeast in bread

Been away from TFL for a while...A good friend of mine is an avid home beer brewer.  He was complaining he always feels guilty throwing away the yeast at one of the last steps (I don't brew, so I really don't know details).  So he gave me a baby food sized jar full of yeast, which he said is still active.  Can this be used for breadmaking?  If so, any ideas as to quantities, relative to what your would use SAF instant yeast.  Thanks to all

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STUinlouisa

prouted grain

I'm about  to take the leap into sprouted flours. Do you need to use the grain as soon as it is dried enough to mill or is there a time that it  can be stored without losing the nutritional benefits?

Thanks

Stu

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breadalchemist2

Popcorn Flour

Hello everybody. 

Longtime lurker here. Thanks for all the help. 

Has anyone made popcorn flour? I'm talking about flour made from popped popcorn, not cornmeal made from unpopped popcorn. 

If so, what was the equipment you used? 

I've made it in small quantities using a food processor, and want to be able to make larger quantities. I'm willing to invest in a grain mill attachment to a kitchenaid, or even a nutrimill, but need to know that it will work beforehand. 

Any help would be much much appreciated!

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dabrownman

Sprouted Wheat and Rye Sourdough The Almost 1.2.3 Way

We had that great 3 day whole rye starter from last Friday’s pumpernickel bake.  We had thickened it up some to store in the fridge for this week’s bake and some for next week’s bake too.

 

Since it wasn’t 100% hydration we added extra water and since there was so much whole and sprouted grain we upped the hydration to 75% from the standard 71% of 1:2:3 recipes.  The levain weighted 130 g with 75G of whole rye in it at 75% hydration

 

We sprouted equal amounts of WW and rye totaling 102 g over Tuesday night and dried them on Wednesday.   We took the levian out of the fridge to warm up on Thursday making the starter /levain a whole week old, and did the autolyse of the dough flour and water with the salt sprinkled on top.

 

The dough ended up being 38% whole grains with 16 % whole rye and 22% sprouted whole rye and wheat.  The dough flour was the 102 g of sprouted rye and wheat and 144 grams each of Sprouts unbleached AP from their bins and King Arthur bread flour.

 

We like the mix of sprouted whole grains, AP and bread flour and find that this mix has plenty of protein and gluten to make a great loaf of bread without the overkill and high cost of bread flour alone.

 

After a 2 hour rest we added the levain and mixed everything together and then did 6 minutes of slap and folds followed by a set of half a minutes and one of 6 slap and folds all on 20 minute intervals.  3 sets of stretch and folds from the compass points, also on 20 minute intervals

 

We rested the dough for a 1 hour bulk ferment on the counter before putting the dough in the fridge for a 16 hour bulk retard.  The next morning the dough had more than doubled in the fridge. 

 

We let the dough warm up for an hour before shaping the dough into a boule and placing it in a rice floured basket seam side down since we planned on baking this bread in a Combo Cooker seam side up with no scoring.

 

We fired up BO Betsy to 500 F an hour after the bagged counter proof started so that the proof on the counter would be somewhere around 2 hours.   We upended the dough onto parchment on a peel and transferred it to the CI CC and put it in the oven on the bottom stone while turning the oven down to 450 F for 18 minutes of steam.

 

Once the lid came off we turned the oven down to 425 F convection and baked it another 5 minutes before taking the bread out of the CC to let it finish baking on the stone.  12 minutes after the lid came off the bread thumped done on the bottom and it was allowed to crisp on the bottom stone for 5 minutes with the oven off and door ajar.

 

It bloomed sprang and cracked on the seams well enough and browned up to that mahogany color we love so much.   A nice looking loaf overall.  We will have to wait to see how the crumb came out and see how it tastes for lunch.  The crumb turned out soft, moist glossy and fairly open for this kind of bread.  It tastes wonderful and made a fine sandwich for lunch.  Nothing like sprouted grains in bread to really bring out the best flavor.

And Lucy reminds us to not forget that salad with that grilled salmon dinner

 

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alfanso

Semolina batard - third time’s the charmer?

I’d decided to bake a few rounds of David Snyder’s Sourdough Italian Bread just before the recent flurry started:
David’s: http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/42511/sourdough-italian-baguettes
EmmaFeng’s: http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/42526/sourdough-italian-bâtard-dmsnyder

I am still getting my bread house in order, so to speak.  My routine as of late, thanks to my desire to recreate some of Ken’s batards from his Portland bakery, has been to complete the bulk rise, chill the bulk for ~30-45 minutes, and then divide, shape, couche, retard until the next day and then bake straight from the refrigerator.

I have a friend who is gifted at arts and crafts, especially in the quilting domain. Her Mother, known back then as a “home maker”, was also quite good, and told Janet that whatever she does, she should find a way to make it her own, to put her personal mark on that creation.  Sage advice from where I stand.  Now I’m generally pretty good at the detail of copying something created by others in order to get it down, but then I sometimes hear Janet’s mom’s voice in the back of my head.  And it is no different here.

I’ve been playing around these past few weeks with 3 stage builds, addition by subtraction, a riff on dabrownman’s build schedule (but changed to “make it my own”).  Instead of a steady build up to the final amount of levain to be used, I’ve been skimming some small portion of the prior step’s levain off – maybe 50g, and then adding more to it, eventually getting to the third stage which is my mature levain.  By the second stage, the levain is already doubling in 2 hours, by the third, in under 2 hours.  And this is what I use.

I have also been using a stiffer levain than what David’s SJSD liquid levain calls for, somewhat a little less hydrated than what is suggested in FWSY.

My batard shaping has been based on King Arthur’s Martin Philip's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmxDKuGLWuE .  Start at minute 6:30.  But breadforfun’s recent suggestion from an SFBI video had me decide to give shaping a try this way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEG1BjWroT0, while still preferring the couche to a banneton.  In truth, I wasn't that thrilled with the shaping doing this way, and questioning what the outcome might be at that time.


With Janet’s mom’s advice in mind – these are my changes from David’s formula:

  • stiff levain instead of liquid levain
  • I did drop the diastatic malt powder this time
  • mixed levain up front with water for a 30 minute “non-autolyse” autolyse
  • 300 French folds
  • 3 letter folds, 25 minutes apart (my kitchen is warmer than many)
  • 45 minute bulk retard directly after 3rd fold
  • shape and couche** overnight
  • ambient temperature for maybe 1/2 hour prior to bake

10 minutes of steam, rotate and ~17 minutes to complete the bake.

**although I am using a flax linen couche, the overnight retard will allow a lot of moisture from the loaves to permeate, and the dough can stick to the couche. Against my own desire, I have to dust the couche quite well for the loaves to release upon transfer to the baking peel

This is a 1500g bake, 50% more than David’s formula, hence three 500g batards.  I did my share to "make it my own".  I’m happy!

Updated: I asked for a photo of the crumb from the person who received one of these batards.  And here it is.  Probably a little more yellow in the photo than it really is.

alan

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EmmaFeng

Sourdough Italian Bâtard from dmsnyder

Based on the "Sourdough Italian Baguettes" from dmsnyder, I baked two bâtards today. Without durum flour, I used 200g whole wheat flour in the final dough and didn't add sugar during the procedures. My room temperature is about 69 to 73 dF and the dough had been kept in the refrigerator for 20 hours at 40 dF.

Also I have made considerable improvements today. With lots of scoring practice, yes, ears!

 

 

 

Thank you for your sharing dmsnyder :), happy baking!

-Emma

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Isand66

Multi-Flour Cherry Cheddar Sourdough

  Bread number two I baked this week incorporated some of my ever-growing collection of dried cherries along with a small amount of shredded cheddar cheese and a multitude of tasty flours.  I wanted to make a good healthy bread I could eat for breakfast and I think the end result fits the bill.

I used some of my freshly milled Durum flour in the stater and incorporated some KAF Oat flour, whole wheat, potato and European flour into the final dough.  Some cracked wheat and rye chops were added to round out the whole grain aspect of this one.

I was happy with the result other than maybe disappointed the cheese flavor didn't come through as much as I would have liked.  Next time I would increase the cheese and probably use cubes instead of shredded cheese.

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Formula

Multi-Flour Cherry-Cheddar Bread (%)

Multi-Flour Cherry-Cheddar Bread (weights)

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Download the BreadStorm File Here.

Levain Directions

Mix all the Levain ingredients together for about 1 minute and cover with plastic wrap.  Let it sit at room temperature for around 7-8 hours or until the starter has doubled.  I usually do this the night before.

Either use in the main dough immediately or refrigerate for up to 1 day before using.

 Main Dough Procedure

Mix the flours, Cracked Wheat, Rye Chops and water together in your mixer or by hand until it just starts to come together, maybe about 1 minute.  Let it rest in your work bowl covered for 20-30 minutes.  Next add the salt, starter (cut into about 7-8 pieces), and mix on low for 5 minutes.  Add the cherries and cheese and mix for one additional minute to incorporate the ingredients.  Remove the dough from your bowl and place it in a lightly oiled bowl or work surface and do several stretch and folds.  Let it rest covered for 10-15 minutes and then do another stretch and fold.  Let it rest another 10-15 minutes and do one additional stretch and fold.  After a total of 2 hours place your covered bowl in the refrigerator and let it rest for 12 to 24 hours.  (If you have a proofer you can set it to 80 degrees and follow above steps but you should be finished in 1 hour to 1.5 hours).

When you are ready to bake remove the bowl from the refrigerator and let it set out at room temperature still covered for 1.5 to 2 hours.  Remove the dough and shape as desired.   Place your dough into your proofing basket(s) and cover with a moist tea towel or plastic wrap sprayed with cooking spray.  The dough will take 1.5 to 2 hours depending on your room temperature.  Let the dough dictate when it is read to bake not the clock.

Around 45 minutes before ready to bake, pre-heat your oven to 550 degrees F. and prepare it for steam.  I have a heavy-duty baking pan on the bottom rack of my oven with 1 baking stone on above the pan and one on the top shelf.  I pour 1 cup of boiling water in the pan right after I place the dough in the oven.

Right before you are ready to put them in the oven, score as desired and then add 1 cup of boiling water to your steam pan or follow your own steam procedure.

After 1 minute lower the temperature to 500 degrees and after another 3 minutes lower it to 450 degrees.  Bake for 25-35 minutes until the crust is nice and brown and the internal temperature of the bread is 210 degrees.

Take the bread out of the oven when done and let it cool on a bakers rack before for at least 2 hours before eating.

Crumb

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FrugalBaker

Boule vs Baguette

Hi everyone, I've been baking a lot of sourdough bread lately and I usually shaped them into either a boule or baguette form. Though I noticed that the baguettes are having better oven springs compared the boule. What gives? I am using a 100% hydration starter here. Many thanks in advance....

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pmccool

Fun!!!

This past weekend was double fun, actually.  First, I had Friday off.  Second, I had been asked to provide some bread for a fundraiser bake sale, so I spent Friday and Saturday baking.  It was a very welcome break from a long baking hiatus while working down the backlog of breads in the freezer.  I don't believe I have had the opportunity to produce this quantity or variety of breads at home previously.  

First up was a pair of gluten-free loaves from a recipe of my own.  This particular iteration featured buckwheat flour, sorghum flour, brown rice flour, quinoa flour, potato starch and tapioca starch.  Psyllium husk was used as the binder, rather than gums.  It seems to have offer better keeping qualities than gums since the bread stays flexible and moist for upwards of a week instead of going all crumbly and dry in a day or two.  Here it is, crummy lighting and all:

The next bread on Friday's bake schedule was Sweet Vanilla Challah from Beth Hensperger's The Bread Bible.  As written, the recipe says it yields two loaves.  Knowing how large those loaves are, I decided to divide the dough into three loaves instead.  And I made a double batch so that I could shape three as turbans and three as 4-strand braids.  As expected, the loaves were eye-catching for both the shaping and the coloring.  The headline photo for this post shows all six bagged and ready to go.  Here are some close-ups:

Later in the day, after running some errands, I also baked the Whole Wheat Multigrain from Jeffrey Hamelman's Bread.  I doubled this recipe and divided it into 6 loaves, instead of the stated 4 loaves.  This bread includes a hot soaker with the baker's choice of grains; I used Bob's Red Mill 7-Grain Cereal and millet seeds.  It also utilizes a liquid levain and bakers yeast for leavening.  I managed to get a good oven spring and a bold bake.  The photo looks lighter than the bread did to the naked eye.

Before going to bed Friday evening, I built the biga for Portugese Sweet Bread, working from Mark Sinclair's (mcs) recipe.

Saturday morning I mixed the ripe biga with the rest of the final dough ingredients.  For the PSB, I chose to shape it as rolls, instead of as loaves.  I scaled them at about 65g each, which yielded 4 dozen rolls.  Once baked and cooled, I packaged them in half-dozen blocks per bag.  A friend who bought a package told me that the taste was what he remembered from his childhood growing up in Connecticut.

The last bread was a focaccia, which is another recipe of mine.  I scaled it up to fill two half-sheet pans.  This bread features herb-infused olive oil.  In this case, I used garlic powder, thyme, rosemary, oregano, and black pepper in the oil.  One pan was also studded with some kalamata olives, just for variety.  Each focaccia was quartered and the quarters were individually bagged for the sale.

All told, I loaded two medium-size boxes with the bread to take to the sale.  Since I didn't know how familiar people might be with some of the breads, I also typed up labels with the names and ingredients for each bread, thinking that might help answer some questions.  Later in the morning, I happened past the tables where the baked goods were displayed and noticed that pale and sweet was moving a lot faster than dark and hearty.  The people running the sale were pleased to have the bread and, as far as I've heard, so were the buyers.

I suspect, though, that I was happier than any of them since I was the one who got to make it all.

Paul

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