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TheBajan

Milling Gluten Free grains

Hello,

I purchased a Retsel Mil-Rite electric grain mill with the optional hand crank and the optional stainless steel grinders. Three weeks ago I was diagnosed with Celiac Disease. I've never used the mill even though I've had it for about 4 years... I've never even turned it on. Looking at the cost of purchasing GF flours (rice, coconut, almond, various beans, etc.) I'm blown away at how much it costs. So I'm thinking about using the mill to create my own flour.

I tried calling the company to find out what this mill is capable of doing regarding types of grains, nuts, and beans. That was a very non-productive and frustrating phone call.

Does anyone here have experience with this mill and it's capabilities? Is there anyone here who has to eat gluten free? Rice and potato flour seem to be used a lot and they are accessible. I just don't know if the mill is designed to do a good job with the various GL grains that are commonly used. I'm trying to determine whether or not it is less expensive to mill my own flour or just bite the bullet and pay the outrageous prices for it commercially produced.

Thanks so much!

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You'syourloaf

How can I tell if my bulk ferment is done?

I'm trying the Ken Fortish Saturday White Bread recipe and have had my dough on its bulk ferment since 09:30hr (UK). We are now just after 14:00hr here and the five-hour bulk ferment given in the recipe should be coming to a close, with my dough having risen by about three times.  It has possibly gained one and a half or possibly double its volume.  Can I check the bulk ferment in some way?  Should I just go for it, or maybe leave it longer?

My kitchen is at about 19C (66F) today.

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Abelbreadgallery

Muesli bread

The dough mix consists on bread flour + whole spelt flour + rye sourdogh.

The combination of grains and cereals is just a non sweetened muesli mix that you can find in any store, thet contains rye wheat and corn flakes, sunflower seeds, linen seeds, hazelnuts and other dried fruits like figues, apricot, raisins, banana and coconut. I soaked one cup of this muesli mix in one cup of warm milk with some honey for some hours, and added to the dough in the last minutes of the mixing process. 

The idea of this bread is that in two or three slices you have almost a complete breakfast.

 

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PalwithnoovenP

Zhou Clementine: The Sourdough Chronicles

Meet Zhou Clementine, my sourdough starter! 

Exactly a fortnight ago I made "it" and documented my sourdough journey and success. I hope you enjoy it! Come along!

For years, I tried to raise my own starter to no avail. All of my attempts were futile despite my best effort to stick to the recipe as closely as possible. I don't know what was going wrong so after each attempt I go through a long period of reclaiming the broken pieces of myself before trying again.

1st attempt: Rye flour and pineapple juice- molds grew on it. First time to use rye flour too that I specifically bought                         for raising a starter. After the failure, I didn't refrigerate it so I ended up spoiling a very expensive bag of                       rye flour! More frustrations to shatter my already broken heart.

2nd attempt: White flour and pineapple juice- it turned pink.

3rd attempt: Whole wheat flour and pineapple juice- again, molds grew on it.

4th attempt: Whole wheat flour and water- it stank very badly.

From all the notes in my head, they are all always liquid/batter type starter made in the summer. Maybe the temperatures are too warm that's why molds and undesirable microorganisms grew because the environment is more favorable for them.

Lots of recipes for starters too that many suggested but they almost always require whole grains and precise measurements; stuff I don't have and can't do. I really want to have my own starter now since I made a great lean bread; I really want to make it sourdough because it's the only way to make it better. "I can't fail now!" I said to myself. I decided to make a firm starter because all of my "liquid" attempts failed, maybe it's the culprit. This one was mainly inspired by Italian sweet starter and Desem but let me clear, I am not trying to emulate any of them. 

With my last bit of courage I designed a process of my own made with just white flour and water with 3 simple rules to follow.

1. When there is activity, feed.

2. When there is none, wait.

3. If nothing happens in a fortnight, quit!


*The average temperature from the initial mixing of flour and water up to now that she is strong and predictable is 91F.

Sunday May 15, I mixed a small amount of flour until I formed a soft and not sticky dough.



I buried it in flour for protection.





I planned to keep it for 2 days before feeding but there was a big activity the next morning (May 16) and it shocked me! I smelled a nice fruity smell, like a banana.


 
I don't have time so I planned to feed it in the afternoon. It got bigger!



I fed it. The dough ball was rock hard when taken out. I used a teaspoon from the moist center and fed it with flour and water until a soft sticky dough was formed about the size of a mandarin orange. 

This blue bowl is her feeding bowl up to now.


I've been fooled! It was the gassy bacteria that makes establishing a starter more difficult at work! But there's activity so as in rule no. 1 I fed it. In four hours, cracks were present in the flour, a sure sign of activity!



After another 4 hours, it broke to the surface of the flour. Afraid of an overflow, I fed it again the same as before, now it's smelling like a cross between banana and mango.Then it went quiet for 2 days. After 2 days (May 19) there was some activity again so I fed it again but didn't take any pictures because I was too busy then I did not feed it again for three days.

Here is it after 3 days (May 22) of fasting. A sharp sour smell greeted my nose!



I gathered a tablespoon amount from the crusty exterior and the very gooey center and doubled it with flour and water.



I transferred it to clean jar to see growth more clearly.



I checked it after 36 hours (May 24). It smelled moldy, I almost want to threw it bit I can clearly see it doubled. Upon closer inspection what appears to be a moldy top is just the dry crust that has contact with the air.



I gathered a teaspoon amount form the gooey center and fed it with flour and water until it was the size of a mandarin again and pressed it into the bottom of a clean jar.



I didn't mark it with a rubber band because it's difficult for this shape of a jar but there's no need you can clearly see growth! I transferred it to a smaller jar too because it's more appropriate for this amount of dough.



This is it 6 hours after feeding, it has already doubled!



It tripled in 12 hours and stayed that way up to 24 hours (May 25). At the 25th hour mark, it's starting to go flat.



I continue that feeding schedule and yesterday (May 28) I noticed that her breathing holes were bigger. She is also getting more fragrant and sour each day! Amazing!







Here she is today (May 29) exactly a fortnight old. 24 hours after feeding yesterday, she has tripled and is smelling very sweet, fragrant and sour!



I plan to nourish and feed her for another fortnight before she takes a trip to the fridge. I don't know how it will affect her, I can imagine it's like me from a hot climate going to siberia! I think she's ready to raise some bread. I'll post about it soon. Just smelling the sourness makes my mouth water! 

I can't wait as Zhou Clementine slowly reveals her personality to me as the days go by!

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I am also saying a temporary goodbye to posting in TFL. I just landed my first job so it means less time to bake and post but I will always drop by her to check your creations. I'm so nervous and excited and my training will start tomorrow. I never knew I will ever do this but I think I'm going to love it. I'm going to be an English teacher for Koreans for 3 months, short and sweet but who knows if it gets extended. Nobody really appreciates my language skills and interests aside from my parents and good folks here so I'm happy it will be put to good use.

Thanks and see you soon! Job

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Ru007

20% rye with dark beer and onion

This was inspired by dmsnyder’s miche with dark beer, although what I ended up with is not really that similar to his loaf.

http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/45770/miche-made-dark-beer

 I really liked the flavour of the onions in the last loaf I baked using them, so I decided to try it again and kick up the % of onion bit. Last time I baked with dark beer, I couldn’t really taste it or tell that there was beer in the bread so I notched up the beer … a lot.

Formula:

 

 

 

Weight (g)

%

 

 

 

 

Levain (100% hydration)

 

150

43.5%

Water

 

280

81.2%

Beer

240

 

 

Water

40

 

 

Flour

 

345

100.0%

white

290

 

84.1%

rye

55

 

15.9%

 

 

 

 

Dried minced onion (dry weight)

 

12

3.5%

Salt

 

9

2.6%

Total dough weight

796

 

<Including the rye flour in the levain brings up the rye to 20%>

I did my levain builds using just rye for the first build and then a combination of rye and white flour for the 2nd and third.

I mixed the flours and beer in the morning and then I had to leave the house, so that sat around for about 5 hours. I added the salt and levain and started mixing the dough. Something didn’t feel right about this dough. It was very sticky, but not sticky in the way you expect with rye flour. It’s hard to explain, it just felt weird.

I did 60 slap and folds to try and strengthen the dough and then I did 5 sets of stretch and folds (one set every 20mins). I could see bubbles forming in between the SFs, so I knew it was at least still alive. I added the rehydrated minced onion on the 3rd set.

By the time I finished the SFs, the dough was feeling better, nice and stretchy but still stickier than I would expect with only 20% rye. All I could think was it had something to dough with the extra long autolyse with the beer and the rye flour?

I left the dough for 2 hours at room temp. I pre shaped and shaped and put the dough into my basket for a 20 hour cold retard.

I wasn’t confident about this loaf, I thought my dough had degraded further in the fridge, especially since it spread a lot when I took it out of the basket. I baked the loaf at 250 dC with steam for 20mins and then for another 30mins at 230 dC (I wanted the crust to be quite dark).

 

The crust is great though, nice and crunchy.

 

 

The crumb came out looking a bit strange. It looks tight around the edges which makes me suspect I may have under proofed, but the big holes are making me think I may have not degassed it enough when I shaped it.

Well, anyway I’m not too worried, it tastes great. I’m glad I upped the onion it really comes through, I was worried that there would be an over powering beer taste, but there isn’t… the aroma just really complements the onion.

The crumb is very moist and soft (with a slight chewiness). I think I’m going to make this again and see if I can do a bit better. 

Happy baking :)

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Yippee

20160525 Evil Mom Making Bread - Cramique

A loaf made for my son...

 

 

 

About seven, eight years ago, I was busy tending a bread dough and did not meet my younger son's demand. He was in kindergarten then and just learned how to write. He  stuck this note on my bedroom door to protest being ignored. So I became the "Evil Mom".

I've kept the note on the door ever since...

 

 

 

 This loaf is made especially for him, he likes raisin breads...

 

 

 

 

Start by making "candied" orange peels...

 

 

 

 

Done in a vacuum crock overnight,  re-boil the syrup-peel mixture a couple times;  syrup = sugar:water by volume 1:1; stacking bowls on top to weigh the peels down...

 

 

 

 

 

The aroma of orange syrup permeates the air - so festive, fragrant that it's almost unreal. Orange syrup is used in place of sugar...  

 

 

 

 

Infuse and plump the raisins in orange syrup, and this is the key to success of this loaf...

 

 

 

 Not "candied" all the way, but good enough to get rid of the bitterness in pith...

 

 

 

 

 

Mixing the peels, Zo gets busy these days...

 

 

 

 

Mixing the plumped raisins in the dough...

 

 

 

 

A relatively short bulk ferment this time - 48 hours...

 

 

 

 

Using the taping knife in shaping almost every loaf,  I'm loving it...

 

 

 

 

Panned...

 

 

 

 

Nudging the dough down and in the wine cellar it proves, temperature set @ 55F...

 

 

 

 

Dough after 6.5 hours, a bit under proved - exactly what I want.  Continue to prove at room temperature while oven preheats, and off I go to swim...

 

 

 

 

Back from swimming, both the dough and the oven are ready, perfect...

 

 

 

 

Applying egg wash...

 

 

 

 

Prepping the scissors...

 

 

 

 

First time cutting a dough like this...Baked @ 400F for 45-60 minutes, cover the top with foil if needed...

 

 

 

 

 

Bread flour, 30% pre-fermented with starter; 30% hydration (from starter); 8% orange syrup; whole egg 25%; butter 15%; salt 2%; diced "candied" orange peels 10%; orange flavor infused raisins 30%

 

 

 

 

Early morning light paints the rosy hue...

 

 

 

 

The aroma from this bread brings the holiday "feel" to the house...

 

 

 

 

Crumb shot...

 

 

 

 

 

Having fun playing with cameras...so you know, you don't need expensive cameras/lenses most of the time; a cell phone will do...

 

 

 

 

 

Ready for breakfast, it's not just any raisin bread...It's raisin bread made with mommy's love ❤❤❤

 

 

 

 

 

I like having bread with soup - roasted red pepper with potatoes on top, roasted tomatoes on the right, and okra on the left...

 

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AlehCemy

DIY Bread proofer box

Hello everybody!

I'm currently planning my DIY bread proofer box, but have run across a few problems.
I have the problem of having a too hot kitchen on summer and a too cold kitchen on winter, so I wanted to build a proofer box that I could regulate the temperature to compensate the weather, which means my proofer box need some way to heat or chill. The heat part is easy but the chill part is proving rather difficult. So I came here to ask for help from experienced with making an proofer box. Any idea on how I could do it?
Another thing, is a humidifier necessary? My weather can get pretty dry during winter or even summer. Not sure if it's something I need to compensate for.

Thanks for your attention!

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helloiamako

Comparing hydration 70% and 65%

I've baked two sourdough bread yesterday. The first is hydration 70% and the second is 65%. Although different ingredients, 65%hydration has got better crumb. 65% bread recipe is here,

http://www.breadwerx.com/how-to-get-open-crumb-from-stiff-dough-video/

Than you Trevor, my baking is getting better!

Ako

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Abelbreadgallery

Roasted barley bread

Bread flour, whole spelt flour and whole barley grains roasted and grounded at home.

Handmixed, straight method.

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chockswahay

Honeyed Spelt and Oat Sourdough .......

A couple of days ago ABakEr suggested I try this (thanks Abe) .......... 

I baked it this morning ................. oh crikey....... it's heavenly!  It includes a fair amount of jumbo rolled oats as a soaker....

The hydration is higher than I am used to however this was a situation where strech and fold worked very well (new to me!).

I proved it overnight in the fridge and then this morning put it straight into the oven on a quarry tile and covered it with an upside down pyrex bowl to emulate a Dutch Oven.  I sprayed the top after slashing then baked at 230c for 20 mins with the cover on then 10 mins with the cover off.....

The texture is moist and light and there is a hint of sweetness, making it ideal as a breakfast bread (we ate it with only butter at lunch time, it's that tasty!)

The full recipe can be found in Sarah Owens book....

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sourdough-Recipes-Rustic-Fermented-Savories/dp/1611802385

 

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