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tony

Rye and Raisin

Bernard Clayton Jr's The Breads of France, Daniel Leader's Local Breads, and Joe Ortiz' The Village Baker each offer formulas, recipes, and lore on European bread. The authors, all from the USA, published their books between 1978 and 2007 after travels in France, Italy, Germany, Czechoslovakia (as it was then), and Poland. In recent weeks I've been concentrating on French breads from these books, specifically pain campagne and pain de seigle.

The latter, the rye bread, has been an interest and a challenge of mine for a long time. As a kind of merging of influences from those books, I produced the rye and raisin loaf pictured here a few days ago. This is the formula I used:

Overall baker's percentages

  • water 77%
  • rye flour 73%
  • whole wheat flour 9%
  • all purpose flour 18%
  • raisins 12%
  • salt 1.8%

Leaven

  • water 100%, 165 grams
  • rye flour 100%, 165g
  • rye sourdough 25%, 41g

Dough

  • water 67%, 289 grams
  • rye flour 61.6%, 265g
  • whole wheat flour 12.3%, 53g
  • all purpose flour 24.6%, 106g
  • raisins 16.5%, 71g (not counting soaking water)
  • salt 2.6%, 11g
  • leaven 77.8%, 330g (after removing 41g for future use)

I made the leaven using a stiff 100% rye soudough I'd started a week or so before to make one of the French ryes from The Village Baker. The leaven for this rye and raisin loaf fermented overnight, for about 14 hours. The raisins soaked separately overnight in their own weight of water.

Using a sieve I captured the water not bloating the raisins to use as part of the water for mixing the dough. There was something like 23g of that raisin juice to sweeten things a little.

For the mix, after taking the 41g of chef from the leaven I added the raisin juice and the rest of the water. Next came the all purpose flour. Using a bamboo rice paddle I stirred in the all purpose flour and then the whole wheat flour. The batter was just thick enough to work vigorously in hopes of activating the gluten. Next I worked in the rye flour. Once the rye was thoroughly incorporated the dough rested for 20 minutes or so.

After the rest period I worked the dough by hand in a bowl using techniques from Flour, Water, Salt, Yeast, and Tartine Bread. These consisted of alternately squeezing the dough body between splayed fingers and thumb for a while and then stretching and folding in the bowl several times. A windowpane test isn't really possible for dough with this much rye flour, but the mixing is done when the dough feels smooth and somewhat extensible, if not really elastic.

Primary fermentation lasted just an hour, followed by shaping into a boule and proofing for four hours. To bake the loaf I preheated a cast iron Dutch oven on a middle shelf of our kitchen range to 480° F. Once the loaf was in the oven in the oven, I set the temperature to 450° and baked for 30 minutes. At this point, the top came off the Dutch oven and the baking temperature was set down to 425°. After 20 more minutes I turned off the oven, took the bread from the Dutch oven bottom, and placed on that middle rack of the now-cooling stove for ten more minutes.

I managed to wait until the next morning before cutting into the loaf -- not the recommended 24 hours, but the temptation was considerable. As intended, the raisins nicely balanced the rye tang. There was enough wheat flour to give the crumb a bit of lightness. Making 1/3 of the wheat flour whole grain meant that 82% of the flour used was whole grain. My wife much prefers whole grain bread, and I much prefer my wife!

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GrowingStella

My 100% Rye bread

Hi all,

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Here is my first rye sourdough bread! It's 100% rye.

I fully enjoy this flavorful bread! It has moist and soft crumb and delicious crust.

Here is the link for the recipe.

https://zebbakes.com/2011/05/25/100-rye-bread/

I made one loaf, so I used half the quantities in the recipe.

I will also use it to make bread drink - kvass. Its very popular in Russia and Ukraine. It has been one of the favorite drinks there for centuries. I was born in Ukraine and used to drink it all the time. Now, will make one of my own!

Isn't it wonderful, to make your own bread and then use it to make your own kvass?

 

Happy baking!

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Weizenbrot

Blown Loaf!

My loaf blew out—can anyone offer an explanation? Recipe below.

I gave the loaf 3 diagonal slashes and placed it on a stone at 430°F/220°C with steam for 15 minutes. The blowout occurred somewhere during that 15 minutes.

I then dropped the temp to 375°F/190°C, removed the steam pan, and continued baking.

Could the steam have been too weak? Should I have spritzed the loaf with water before baking? Was the loaf underproofed?

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Recipe (this is Dakota Norwegian Rye from Stan Ginsberg's The Rye Baker):

Flour: mix of bread flour 64%, whole wheat 8%, and rye 28%

Hydration 55.6%

Salt 1.59%

Instant yeast 0.76%

Brown sugar 6.35%

Vinegar 3.17%

Rye sour culture 6.35% at 66% hydration

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makebreadnet

I call this Faux Sourdough

Hey all,

I worked on this recipe during Thanksgiving this year when family was around.  I taught my sister in law how to make it and she helped me make a batch too.  It's really a snap to put together and produces a super tender, slightly tangy, crusty loaf.  Depending on how much yogurt you use, it could be just a little tangy or the tang could be much more pronounced.

The recipe is here and it comes together in no time.

This is the gist:

The "faux" comes from the use of yogurt in the dough that gives the bread a nice sour flavor profile!

  • AP Flour: 500g
  • Water: 320mL
  • Greek Yogurt: 1 large tablespoon, about 30g
  • Salt: 12.5g (roughly 1 tbs)
  • Sugar: 12.5g (roughly 1 tbs)
  • Yeast: a scant 1tbs
  1. Mix all ingredients (minus the salt) and let sit for 15 minutes.
  2. Add the salt and mix again. Let sit for about an hour.
  3. Stretch & Fold, let sit for another hour.
  4. Shape and place in proofing basket
  5. Pre-heat the oven
  6. Bake and enjoy!

 

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Modern Jess

The path to better flavor

As I said in my introductory post, I'm attempting to marry the flavor of my early no-knead loaves with the shape and form of my more recent, well-risen loaves. My early loaves were definitely not very photo-worthy, but they tasted good. And my recent loaves are generally pretty attractive, but are definitely lacking in taste.

My standard recipe is a pretty basic sourdough -- 68% hydration, 30% starter, 2.5% salt. 

Until very recently (i.e. the last few days) I've been doing shortish bulk rises while building the dough (approximately three hours with turns at every 30 minutes) followed by shaping and a very long proof -- overnight at room temperature, albeit in a fairly cool room (mid-60s, of late). This approach has worked wonders for my bread shape, with some of the loaves actually pushing against the insides of the pan and flattening on top. Certainly better looking than my earlier attempts.

I'm now branching out a bit in order to try to improve the taste. With cool weather upon us, I decided I would start experimenting with a very long bulk rise to go with my very long proofing, and have cut way back on the starter to compensate. I pushed one loaf up to about 40 hours total (bulk + proofing), but have settled on 24 hours as it fits into my schedule really well. I still do two-three hours of 30-minute turns, but then let it sit for 10 hours overnight, shape it in the morning, and then let it proof all day while I'm at work.

So far, I'm liking the direction it's headed. I'm still getting well-risen loaves, and my latest attempt (the one shown here cut open) was moist (but not too moist) and very tasty. I don't usually push the loaf this dark, either, but the crust on the one without sesames was amazing and had some of that shatter-in-your-mouth quality that I've only achieved accidentally before.

Next, I'm going to try higher hydration. I've really hated handling high-hydration dough in the past, and made a right mess of things on more than one occasion. My dough handling skills are a little better now, though, and I don't fear the sticky dough quite as much as I used to. That said, I've been using sesame seeds as a defense mechanism on almost every loaf I've made for the last year, to keep it from sticking to the banneton and ending up in a disaster at bake time. This was the first loaf in as long as I can remember that I was brave enough to bake naked, and it came out pretty well.

Today's naked loafInterior close-up

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Skibum

Great pizza!!!

I am LOVING the crust I get from the 00 flour! I now bake a pizza every 3 or 4 days and am getting better at forming the crust. Still don't have the courage to try a toss, but it doesn't seem necessary. This dough had been in the fridge for 3 days before I divided it today.

I brush a first layer of EVOO onto the formed crust, followed by home made tomato gravy, reggiano parmigiana, a layer of fresh basil, sliced prosciutto, a couple of kinds of fresh mozzarella, crumbled fried pancetta and more parmesan cheese.. I baked for 5 minutes, turned, baked another 5 and finished for nearly a minute on high broil as Ken Forkish recommends.

What can I say, it is great pizza! Sometimes it is the quality of the ingredients that make the difference.

Well we have snow to ski, but at -22C today it is WAAAY too cold to go outside, never mind ski. Good days to stay in and bake yummy things.

Happy baking, Ski

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hanseata

Difference between sourdough and biga made pitas - how come?

I'm baking Multigrain Pitas every week, for many years. Adapted from Peter Reinhart's original recipe ("Whole Grain Breads"), I reduced the amount of instant yeast by half (from 8 grams to 4).

Recently, I changed the formula, now using the same amount of starter instead of biga (with 2 grams of additional instant yeast in the final dough). The hydration and overall procedure (overnight bulk fermentation and total soaking/fermentation time) remained unchanged.

I was surprised when my dough, made with a starter, constantly turned out moister. The biga-made dough was always quite a bit drier, when I shaped the pitas, even though the amounts of flour and water were exactly the same.

Has anybody a good explanation for this phenomenon?

The baked pitas, whether made with a biga or starter, are not significantly different in consistency (or taste).

Karin

 

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Danni3ll3

Gluten Free Flax Bread

My daughter has rheumatoid/psoriatic arthritis and decided to try going gluten free to see if it would help her pain and fatigue. We have a wonderful gluten free bakery here but things are rather expensive and I found that their rolls went hard after one day. When I did some research on TFL, I came across this recipe for Gluten Free Flax Bread. When the OP said that her family couldn't tell the difference between the gluten free and the regular bread, I decided to give it a shot.

Well, for a first try, I don't think it turned out too bad. I didn't realize until after I put the yeast in, however, that the recipe called for ADY and I put in instant. That might explain why my dough was rising like a bat out of hell. What was supposed to take around 80 minutes happened in 45. I was trying to heat up my oven as fast as I could to get the dough in it but I think it over proofed it because it collapsed somewhat when it came out of the dutch oven.

Even with the loaf being somewhat flattened in spots, it tastes really good. I was quite surprised. It even tasted better than the rolls from the gluten free bakery. So I need to get some ADY and try again. I also need to figure out how much to let this rise. Maybe when the dough starts showing some holes at the top is the right time to bake. Mine actually had a pretty big canyon going into the oven. 

The crumb isn't great but it could be worse.

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RB32689

Soaked grains v. Sprouted grains

Does anyone know the latest state of play between these  two methods of preparing bread flour. By soaked grains I  mean soaking grains in warm water, in an acid medium, or both. 

It is much easier to soak grains than to sprout, dehumidify and grind. It is claimed that soaking leads to easier digestion of grains, increased availability of nutrition, neutralisation of phytic acid and enzyme inhibitors, and increased amounts of desirable enzymes, minerals, and many vitamins.

Are there any reliable reports explaining that of the two techniques one would gain materially from using the sprouting instead of  the soaking  approach for wholegrain flours such as wheat and spelt?

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JoshTheNeophyte

Hamelman Vermont Sourdough with Increased Whole Grain

Yesterday i moved one notch further on my journey through Hamelman, attempting his Vermont Sourdough with Increased Whole Grain.  Ambition got ahead of my scheduling ability: as soon as I had mixed the flour and water, I realized that i wasn't going to finish in time for my evening plans and this bread was going to be an experiment in extended fermentation.  Despite doubling the fermentation time from the recipe, the results were pretty, darn good.  If Forkish's times are far too long, are Hamelman's schedules too short?

I mixed the Levain around 7:30 am: 125% hydration all AP flour with 93F water.

i mixed 9 hours later, 3 short of the12-16 hour recommendation for mature levain:

662g AP (60g of "00" flour as I ran out of AP) [Edited]

153g Whole Grain Whole Wheat (Farmer Ground Whole Wheat Bread Flour)

407g Water, 87F

458g Levain

19g salt[EDITED]

I mixed everything but the salt and let it sit for a 1 hour autolyse.

5-8 minutes of hand knead till i could get a medium window and the dough appeared nice and smooth.

I came back from my evening plans around 11am and the dough had been fermenting for 5 hours (plus autolyse with the levain, so really 6+) and had roughly doubled in volume.  I don't think the dough was over-proofed at all.  I actually think the 2.5 hour version of the breads i had been making before were under-proofed.  Maybe my levain was not as mature as Hamelmans's?  If I had used a 12+ hour built starter would my bread have been over-proofed after 5 hours?  Tough to say.

I pre-shaped into boules followed by a 10 minute bench rest and then final shaping and placed them seam side up into bannetons.  Since I wasn't staying up any later, I put the loaves in the fridge for overnight proofing.

I baked the bread this morning around 11 am after 12 hours in the fridge.  I bake in 2 DOs with a pizza stone on the rack below.  I scored one of the loaves and my 13 year old daughter scored the other attempting to imprint the first initial of my 3 kids L, R and B.  This worked out better than you would expect.

The baking regime was as follows:

preheat, 500F, 30 minutes

covered, 475, 20 minutes

uncovered 460-5, 25 minutes

Results and lessons learned. The bread is pretty good.  The bake is a little uneven and I think this is because i forgot to rotate the DOs which I usually do.  The 2 DOs are wider than the pizza stone underneath so I think that leads to some uneven browning.  Also, the bottom is a little overcooked (by appearance, it didn't actually taste that way), so i need to work on my temperature schedule.  The crumb is not nearly as open as the higher hydration, FWSY country blonde (78%).  I think the higher degree of whole wheat also makes it a little heavier.  But for a bread with 15% whole grain, i think the bread has nice oven spring.  Still a long way to go on scoring (though my 13 year old seems to be doing better than me!).  I think it's about getting a consistent depth for the whole length of the cut and across all cuts.

Up next, the Hamelman Pain Au Levain with a stiff starter.  This will require converting my starter from 125% to 60% hydration.  I worked this out in a spreadsheet.  As always, the question is time -- not sure whether I will get to this during the week due to work, childcare and other pursuits.

Thanks,

 

Josh

NB I have a bunch of pictures I want to add but I can't get the media button to work.  When I click on the "library" tab, I get a blank panel.

 

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