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propaganda's picture
propaganda

Recipe Costing Software

Been a bread baker and pastry chef for about 5 years now. Really want my own shop. FWIW, I'm leaning towards a high end donut shop. Basically, classic pastry in donut form. All scratch made, good ingredients, no commercial ingredients, etc.

 

Anyway, in the business plan writing stage and I would like to have my first 20 to 30 donuts costed out. Any one have any good, simple costing software ideas? Something simple, intuitive and hopefully allow me to export data sets to excel, etc.

Gracias.

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HappyBread

Sourdough Rye

  • Water: 400 grams, 1 3/4 cups
  • Sourdough Starter: 70 grams, 1/3 cup (omit if making the instant yeast version)
  • Instant Yeast: 1 tsp. (omit if making sourdough leavened version)
  • Rye Flour: 245 grams, 1 3/4 cups
  • Bread Flour: 245 grams, 1 3/4 cups
  • Molasses: 44 grams, 2 Tbs.
  • Fennel Seed: 8 grams, 1 Tbs.
  • Anise Seed: 2 grams, 1 tsp.
  • Caraway Seed: 3 grams, 1 tsp.
  • Salt: 12 grams, 1 3/4 tsp.

Mix in stand mixer 5 min, rest 5 min, mix 5 min, rest in bowl covered until increased in size 50-75%, form into boule, place into bowl on floured towel until doubled in size, into heated covered cast iron pot for 30 min at 450, then uncover at 400 until internal temp 200

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Homebakerlatvia

WFO - outdoor, loosing heat

Hello everyone !

Before i start i would like to say that i'm not professional baker. I work as a chef (time to time at wfo bakery and baking every day at home for family).

I'm planning to build a WFO at my garage but i don't have mch space to fit there big oven. I thought maybe i could build the oven outside and load breads from the garage as i tried to show you on the picture.

So here comes my question. Because is east Europe winter is really cold. Have you got any idea how quick heat can be lost and what solution is the best to prevent this. I will say the winter can be between -20C to - 30C max.

At this point guys, your opinion will be crucial for me.

Thanks a lot !

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JoshTheNeophyte

building a rye levain from an ap starter

I'm planning a dough that requires 2 levains today: 1 125% hydration AP levain and the other 83% rye.  

The rye build calls for:

  • Whole Rye Flour 100%
  • water 83%
  • mature culture 5%

I used mature 125% AP starter to seed this rye levain.  Can you build a rye levain in a single feeding off of an AP starter?

Thanks,

Josh

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leslieruf

No oven challenge by Pal

well for once I am a bit early. I was rebuilding my starter yesterday and thouhgt "there is enough to build a levain for Pal's challenge" so I did.

Spiced English Muffins.

never made these but loved the ones I bought a few years ago. So I used Wild Yeast's recipe and added cinamon and raisins.

Sponge

110 g 100% hydration starter (made at 2 pm)

160 g flour

100 g whole wheat flour

276 g low fat milk

mixed at 8 pm and left on bench overnight.

this morning at 8 am added

75 g flour

3/4 tspn salt

1 tspn baking soda

1 1/2 tspn cinamon

2 tspn honey.

mixed then turned out on bench. added in 1/3 cup raisins then did stretch and fold / gentle slap and fold until dough was smooth.

pressed out into rectangle, about 1/2 inch thick and cut circles with cookie cutter (about 2 3/4 inch diameter). placed on semolina dusted parchment, proofed for 45 minutes and baked in my skillet on medium setting, 7 minutes each side (actually had 2 skillets going :) - such fun, and anticipation!

Definitely something I will make again, don't know why I haven't tried before given how often it is mentioned here.  Taste is great, maybe next time perhaps a little more honey and a few more raisins, but yum.... tomorrow morning will be toasting some for sure.

Thanks Pal for the push to try something new. It is a very simple bake, but look forward to seeing what others bring to the challenge.

Leslie

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bread1965

Ciabatta video - amazing crumb.. wow..

I decided to make the coccodrillo ciabatta for the first time today. It turned out very nice. But I thought i could to better. I was looking around for ciabatta videos online and came across this one and have now watched it a few times (I know, I need a life).. the final baked loaves look truly remarkable.. the glossy crumb is inspired!  I haven't head of double hydration. The video is so good I think I'll look into buying his book for the recipe.. Enjoy..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFja1ShZFsA

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Lazy Loafer

Stout Multigrain - a huge success!

Well, I am chuffed. I've been working on version of 'beer' bread that has all kinds of good things in it. I've been inspired by several people (Cedar Mountain, danni3ll3, dabrownman among others) and was also spurred to action by a happy little relationship. My regular beer bread is mostly white flour with a poolish starter made from my husband's pilsner-style beer. The place where he gets his beer making supplies (has been for about 30 years) asked if he could bring in some bread to see if they could sell it, and that worked out well. I wanted to make something a bit more multigrain using the dark beer (stout) that he also makes from one of their kits, plus they gave me a bag of lovely crystal malt and some dried malt extract which I wanted to incorporate.

I put together a recipe a couple of weeks ago and tested it out. It was good, but a bit gummy and dense. I changed up the recipe a bit and made version two. this was way better but the crust was quite tough (very tasty though). This week I made a few more changes and voila - one of the best breads I've made. The crust is crisp and shatters when cut; the crumb is moist and just open enough, and the flavour is awesome!

The recipe is a bit difficult to recount, as there are so many things in it! But here's the synopsis:

Starter

  • 200 grams bread flour
  • 50 grams Bob's Red Mill 7-grain cereal
  • 250 grams stout
  • 1/8 tsp active dry yeast

Mix and let ferment until bubbly (overnight if you like)

Dough

  • Bread flour - 350 grams
  • Organic AP flour - 350 grams
  • Mixed stone-ground whole organic flours (spelt, khorasan, Red Fife, rye) - 200 grams
  • Water - 600 grams
  • Cracked crystal malt - 25 grams
  • Cooked, toasted grains (spelt, khorasan, Red Fife, rye) - 125 grams
  • Active dry yeast - 1/4 teaspoon per loaf
  • Dried malt extract - about a tablespoon per loaf
  • Olive oil - about half a tablespoon per loaf
  • Salt - 20 grams

So, first toast and cook the grains:

Next, soak the crystal malt in the dough water:

That smelled sooooo amazing!

I then mixed all the cooked, cooled grain into the soaker water as well, than added all the flours and let autolyse for about 45 minutes.

I spread out the resulting 'dough' and sprinkled it with the salt, then topped with the starter, dried malt extract and the dough yeast. I folded this in well and then mixed it in the stand mixer until smooth and consistent. I let it sit for probably four or five hours, folding four times over the first couple of hours and it ended up very nice and stretchy.

And into the fridge to proof overnight. It actually was a bit longer as I didn't get around to baking this one until the following afternoon (too busy baking the light beer bread for the beer supplier!). The dough was beautiful - nicely risen and domed with one huge gas bubble just under the top skin. That was some windowpane! I scaled the loaves to 600 grams, preshaped then shaped into tight(ish) balls and into floured baskets.

I didn't let them proof for too long with all that good stuff in them - maybe an hour while I pre-heated the oven and the cast iron pots to 475F. I cut squares of parchment paper and turned the dough out onto the paper, slashed, then lifted each and dropped it into a hot pot. 30 minutes at 450F, then remove lids and another 20 minutes at 425F. Interior temperature was about 205F.

I was so happy with this bread. Even with all that stuff in it, it was not dense. The crust was amazing, and so was the crumb. The things that contributed were:

  1. Using half AP flour and half bread flour made the crust so much more tender and crispy
  2. Adding a bit of dried malt extract and olive oil reduced any bitterness from the whole grains (as was evident in the first iteration of this bread)
  3. Toasting the grains added to the flavour; cooking them reduced the hardness
  4. Cracking the malt and soaking it in the dough water added an amazing amount of flavour and colour

This is my new favourite bread... :)

 

 

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Baron d'Apcher

Sourdough isn’t proofing after 15hrs in the fridge.

Sourdough isn’t proofing after 15hrs in the fridge.

New starter, different flour and awful results.  I am using organic high extraction white bread flour (14% protein) from Farmer Ground Flour in upstate NY. I would like to keep using it, (have KA artisan select as a backup) but the results have been humdrum and appear to be getting worse as we plunge into winter. I am turning to this community for suggestions, analysis, advice.  The loaves* don’t seem to proof at all overnight and are roughly the same size as when they went into the oven.

*does the shape loaf/boule matter?

The bulk ferment doubles within 5 hours;

Bread is:

1000g flour

560 water (85F)

320  lively starter (1:4/4)

24g salt

Procedure: mix 4 minutes slow, autolyze 30 min with salt, mix fast 4 min, bulk ferment (doubles in 5 hours), pre-shape, shape, lay in couche, let proof for 1-2 hrs at room temp (65F, it is chilly out here and the kitchen is in a barn) and refrigerate.  Walk-in is at 38F (commercial kitchen).  At this point the dough isn’t sticky and has a good bounce.  Today for some reason though, the loaves are like starchy caramel.

In the morning (15 hrs later), the loaves are limp, haven’t proofed at all and are essentially soggy dough. I’ve tried baking (450F x 10 minutes, steam injection, 425F x 25 min) directly from cold, tempering a bit and in both cases the result is roughly the same size as when I started and the crust is like cement. Crumb is ok, but could be much better.

The whole wheat version however (500g high ex/500g whole wheat, 600g water, 320g starter, 24g salt, same method) is inexplicable better and has a better proof/rise.

So, is it the flour, too much hydration, too much starter, not enough room temp proof, fridge too cold?

It is infuriating to be wasting a good product and time making crappy bread.

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Tboat

Need picture of ws bread machine ctrl panel

hi everyone!  I have a william Sonoma (model ws0797) bread machine but it's missing the sticker for the control panel. If someone has the same model can you send me a picture of your control panel so I know what button does what?  The manuals I found online don't have a picture that I could find. 

Thanks!

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