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KayDee

Still bad loaves

Getting pretty discouraged.

Used 1 2 3 method, again, Dough was nice. Bulk ferment went well. Shape and final rise went well.  Starter, bubbly and very active. Both rises saw excellent rise in dough. Although, dough remains "puddly" and very sticky. So sticky that it actually annoys the heck out of me to work with it. 

Baked 1st loaf in preheated covered DO at 500 degrees, for 20 then dropped temp. Used instant read thermometer. Interior 209 degrees. Removed lid to allow for extra browning.  

Second loaf baked in preheated covered DO at 425 degrees. Followed above.

Both were heavy, gummy and dense. Both in garbage. 

Getting pretty discouraged. Keep trying different tweaks and keep ending up with same, dense, inedible bread. 

Clearly not correcting for the right problem. Never had this much trouble with yeast, but really need to perfect sourdough. 

Any suggestions for corrections are gratefully received. 

 

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billybaker

freezing raw stickey buns

I am thinking of giving as christmas gifts, pans of frozen raw sticky buns that people can defrost, rise, and bak

e as they like.  These would be going to mostly non-bread bakers so I thought it would be fun for them to see the bread rise and have the smell of fresh baked bread 

in their own homes.  I know there are a lot of things that could go wrong during the baking process,  but that would be their own damn fault...lol.  Any thoughts?

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nmygarden

No Oven Challenge - Steamed Brown Bread

The No Oven Challenge has enticed us to be creative with ingredients, methods and equipment. Members have shared breads cooked by frying, stove-top and charcoal grilling, make-shift wood fire, and steam. Lessons to be learned all around, but success, none the less!

My entry is a steamed brown bread, similar to those served in Boston and the eastern seaboard. It's whole grain - graham flour and cornmeal, leavened by baking soda, moistened with tangy yogurt, sweetened and deeply colored by molasses and a little brown sugar. Add-ins included dates and fresh cranberries.

I opted to use my slow-cooker for counter-top steaming - it rarely gets used, and would require less watching than would a pot on the stove-top. I added water to the cooker and turned it on 'high', dropped in a few mason jar rings to allow water to circulate evenly, and allowed it to heat as I was assembling ingredients. The batter came together easily and was spooned into a greased 1-qt casserole (pretested to fit into the cooker's crock), covered tightly with aluminum foil, tied with string and set into the hot crock.

The water level was adjusted to between half and 2/3 the height of the casserole. I left it to steam for nearly 4 hours. Once out and still sealed,I left it to cool for 10 minutes before removing the foil and turning it out onto a rack to cool. It had filled the casserole to the brim, but was cooked through. It was a deep caramel brown with fruit peeking through to the surface.

Sliced for serving revealed a coarse, yet moist, cake-like texture, dotted generously with fruit. We enjoyed a few slices for dessert, warmed and spread with butter. Not overly sweet, brown bread's charm is in its texture and a wholesome comforting quality. The dates provided a sweet touch that was brightly offset by the cranberries. I'm looking forward to toasting some for breakfast.

The recipe I used was fudged from one I found online from Yankee Magazine's December 27, 2015 issue, "Granny's Homemade Brown Bread". I adapted it to use ingredients I had on hand and reduced the quantities to fill my 1 qt. casserole, rather than the specified 2 qt. mold:

Original Ingredients (my substitution):

1 c graham flour (3/4 c)

1 c rye flour (omitted)

1 c yellow cornmeal (3/4 c)

1-1/2 tsp baking soda (3/4 tsp)

1 tsp salt (1/2 tsp)

3/4 c molasses (3/8 c)

(1/4 c brown sugar)

2 c sour cream (1 c nonfat yogurt)

1 c sultanas or raisins (1 c chopped dates and whole fresh cranberries)

unsalted butter ( to grease the mold)

I felt the bread may need to be sweetened to blend with the dates and offset the sharpness of the cranberries. I would do that again. I would also add nuts - pecans - but then it begins to take on a fruitcake connotation, which wouldn't bother me one bit. I would use the sour cream or full fat yogurt. The bread was moist, but it could be richer with a bit of fat. Of course, when covered in butter, it probably matters little.

 

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Lazy Loafer

Adding barley malt to rye bread

I've been asked to produce a naturally-leavened bread with no wheat in it. Some weird diet, but that's not the point. I'm trying a variety of 100% rye recipes to come up with one I like best. I tried Stan Ginsberg's Auerman/Borodinsky Rye from The Rye Baker, modified to use a couple of barley malts instead of the recommended rye malt. It turned out okay but didn't rise as expected (and all stages took much longer than predicted) and is quite a brick. Tastes wonderful though.

So here's the question - does adding barley malt (the grain, not the extract) do anything much other than adding flavour? I've got a nice crystal malt (medium toasted malted barley) and a beautiful special malt that is hulless barley, toasted to the point of looking (and tasting) like tiny little coffee beans. It's a fabulous flavour to go with rye. I want to try the 100% rye from Daniel Leader's "Local Breads", but add a bit of one or both of these malts for added flavour. I just don't know if it will mess with the rise or anything. What do you think? Mini? Stan?

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Danni3ll3

San Joaquin Baguettes

These were also done for Xmas dinner tonight.

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Danni3ll3

Triple Spelt Sourdough with Flax

I really liked how the Triple Kamut loaf turned out so I repeated it and also made up a Triple Spelt loaf. I used fresh ground spelt flour so I am really curious to see what it tastes like. We are having Xmas dinner today so I was busy baking all kinds of bread. Here is the recipe for the Triple Spelt loaf.

And this is what the Triple Kamut loaves turned out like. Same recipe as above but using Kamut instead of spelt in all three ingredients.

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Symmetry

Hydration Calculator

Hello everyone,

I have made a hydration calculator that will tell you, given input ingredients, how much flour or water you need to add for your desired hydration. I've tested it with recipes that are under hydration (in which case it tells you how much water to add) and recipes that are over hydration (in which case it tells you how much flour to add). It'll even cope with ingredients like eggs, sweet potatoes, or anything else with a partial hydration; simply input the actual amount of hydration added, so an 80% hydration egg at 50g would be 40g of water in the sheet. It supports as many ingredients as you'd like.

Here's the link:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fFR9lfJW_h2w3u6QhAgmIbY2IxH5BLoTNgHZZhu0yOg/edit?usp=sharing

To make changes, make a copy and edit that sheet - enjoy!

 

ps. the reason I made this instead of using other versions that already exist is because the features I'm looking for really don't exist elsewhere. I wanted to be able to calculate how much flour or water to add, depending on which one is required. I also wanted to add infinite numbers of stages instead of being limited to what's built into the sheet. This fulfills both functions admirably!

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Sderci

Have I over-steamed?

Hi everyone, I've been reading this forum for years and really appreciate all the help you've given me.

I recently decided to build a little oven-within-the-oven for steaming purposes, along the lines of this thread:

http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/2410/homemade-steam-maker-bread-baker

Basically, I have a baking stone and a big lid sits on top of it. There's a small hole drilled into the lid, and just after bread goes on the stone, the lid goes on and I inject steam (from a little Bissell steam cleaner) through the hole. The links I had read suggested 10-20 seconds of steam. I take the lid off after 10 minutes.

My first test went great! I baked my normal whole-wheat loaf in a loaf pan using the master recipe from Peter Reinhart's Whole Greain Breads. My first really dark crust ever in my oven, lots of spring, etc.

For my second test I decided to try the transitional rustic bread from the same book, shaped into mini baguettes. It's a 80% hydration loaf with half whole wheat and half bread flour.

My little contraption could only fit three baguettes but the recipe made four. So for the last one, I heated up a baking stone in my toaster oven and baked it in there. Much to my surprise, the toaster oven one came out by far the best:

It rose higher, and had a dark (if not great) crust. The ones from the "steam" oven were pale, and barely rose at all. They were also tough and dense.

Since it was the same dough, baked in two different ovens, I'm assuming that the steam was the main difference. And I'm guessing that 10-20 seconds of steam was too much. When I took the lid off, the surface of the loaves almost looked like bagel dough that had come out of the water.

Of course, the best thing to do would be to just try again with less steam. But until I can do that, I wonder if these pictures are what you might expect from loaves that just had too much steam?

Thanks for any insight!

 

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Skibum

Ciabatta attempt at 90% hydration

Well this is take two at this hydration. I forgot to steam the oven on my first attempt and ended up with a hollow brick. I used a well olive oiled counter and oiled hands to do the stretch and folds using my finger tips rather than my palms to massage the S&F's.  This made a nice loaf with a great crust and nice open crumb. Still doesn't look what a ciabatta should look like though. Oh well, press on!

Happy baking! Ski

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propaganda

Recipe Costing Software

Been a bread baker and pastry chef for about 5 years now. Really want my own shop. FWIW, I'm leaning towards a high end donut shop. Basically, classic pastry in donut form. All scratch made, good ingredients, no commercial ingredients, etc.

 

Anyway, in the business plan writing stage and I would like to have my first 20 to 30 donuts costed out. Any one have any good, simple costing software ideas? Something simple, intuitive and hopefully allow me to export data sets to excel, etc.

Gracias.

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