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Maruk1o

Heating element on electric oven

So i just bought a new electric oven, but this one doesnt have an option for baking or broiling like most do. Instead, it has the option to change the heating element of the oven (top, bottom). Im confused which element should i be using to bake a bread. Most said that the top is only for broiling and the bottom is for baking, but using the bottom foesnt really "brown" the bread. It only browns the bottom part. Which element should i be using? Thank you in advance

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Adrian.Walton

Need Help with Horst Bandel's Black Pumpernickel from Bread

Hi fellow bread bakers.

I've now had three failed attempts at making Horst Bandel's Black Pumpernickel from Jeffrey Hamelman's Bread. Each time the bread has broken apart after the baking and 24 hour rest period.

The first time I followed the recipe as written. The second time I cut back the water by about 50%.  The third time I cut back the water and replaced the rye meal with rye flour.  

During my latest attempt I slowly lowered the oven temperature as instructed but instead of completely turning off the oven I left it at 200 degF.  After 16 hours the bread had sunk a bit and become cracked.  Testing between the cracks the bread was completely wet and raw.  I decided to increase the temperature to 250 degF and remove the pullman lid.  In the end I left the bread in for an additional 4 hours in an attempt to firm up center. 

Once cooled and rested the loaf quickly broke in several large chunks.  A slice revealed the center crumb to be still be quite wet but the outer edges/crust were very tough.  Most attempts to cut the loaf resulted in the outer 1/2 inch of tough bread pulling away from the center.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!  Here are my thoughts on possible causes: 1) I over cooked the rye kernels resulting in them absorbing too much water and thus adding too much water to the loaf;  2) I over proofed the loaf -note the open crumb in the photo; and 3) the oven temperature was too low.

Again, any insights you can provide would be appreciated.  I really want to make this recipe turn out but I'm getting disappointed and frustrated!

Adrian

 

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kcolossus

Sprouted Buckwheat Porridge Levain with Chanterelles

My obsession with mushroom bread began a little over a year ago when I was gifted Nancy Silverton’s “Breads From the La Brea Bakery”. While her books were personal and groundbreaking for their time, I do have one bone to pick: the measurements! Nancy’s recipes are expressed in tablespoons and cups, pounds and ounces, perfect for the American home cook (particularly at the time they were published), but maddening for the professional baker (and today, novice bakers too!) who is used to measuring everything in grams and kilos.

While I gathered a lot of inspiration from Nancy’s Mushroom Bread, I decided to create my own recipe, using buckwheat flour to add a nutty contrast to the savory umami flavor of roasted mushrooms. I baked this loaf with chanterelles, but also experimented with roasted maitakes and rehydrated shitakes. The chanterelles worked best, but I believe black trumpet mushrooms, or even more easily accessible crimini mushrooms would work beautifully.

Fresh herbs brighten the loaf and harmonize beautifully with the sweet and sour notes of the levain.

I have used high gluten flour to offset the lack of gluten in the buckwheat flour. If this is unavailable to you, you can substitute bread flour. Rye flour is added for flavor and color, but can also be substituted out for bread flour or a medium strength wheat flour. I do not recommend increasing the percentage of Buckwheat flour in this recipe. While 5% seems like very little, increasing it will drastically change the structure of the bread, and while it may not seem like it the buckwheat flavor really does go a long way.

 

 SPROUTED BUCKWHEAT PORRIDGE LEVAIN WITH CHANTERELLES Yields: 1 loaf INGREDIENTS
  • 265 g Bread Flour (53%)
  • 105 g Type 85 Wheat Flour (21%)
  • 80 g High Gluten Flour (16%)
  • 25 g Buckwheat Flour (5%)
  • 25 g Dark Rye Flour (5%)
  • 430 g water (86%)
  • 12 g salt (2.5%)
  • 85 g young levain (86%)
  • 100 g cooked buckwheat porridge (preferably sprouted before cooked) (20%)
  • 53 g roasted mushrooms and herbs (10.5%)
 INSTRUCTIONS
  1. Combine flours, water, and levain until just mixed. Allow mixture to autolyse for 30 mins- 1 hour.
  2. Add salt and mix by hand using slap and fold method, or with a mixer for 3-5 minutes until gluten structure is formed.
  3. Bulk ferment for 1.5 3 hours, folding every 30 mins. Incorporate mushrooms and Buckwheat porridge (both should be at room temperature) during second fold. Bulk ferment should take anywhere from 1.5 hours - 3 hours.
  4. Divide and pre-shape once dough has increased in size by roughly ⅓ and it dough mass is slightly convex on top. Dough should be less sticky than before and will pull away from the sides of its container with more ease.
  5. Shape as desired. I use a tartine stitching method before putting the loaves to bed in bannetons.
  6. Leave baskets out until dough passes the poke test. Retard in the refrigerator for at least 8 hours.

See my original blog entry at http://www.colossusbakery.com

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Combo64

Tartine starter

Hey,

So ive been following Tartine No.3 starter. Its been around 3 weeks now and my starter has been rising and falling consistently but im worried I dont have enough yeast. 

It doesnt smell yeasty or beer like.

Ive been feeding it every 24 hours 75g starter and 150 grams water and 150g 50/50 flour mix.

Im just unsure how i can promote that beer like smell, at the moment it doesnt smell of much at all.

Does water or more food promote yeast growth?

Here are some photos of it after a feed 8 hours on

http://imgur.com/BCi9aHB

http://imgur.com/G0hRrQP

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BreadBabies

Help with Hamelman

I recently made Hamelman's Vermont Sourdough. Flavor was great. I got wide open/and irregular holes top to bottom. However, where there weren't biggish holes, it was quite dense. The rise was terrible, maybe 2.5 inches.

I'm struggling with Hamelman's rising times. They are so much shorter than Forkish or Robertson.  Those guys ferment for much longer. Hamelman's times are almost like he was using commercial yeast.

As far as I can tell, the differences are as follows:

(F/R:H)
Short Mix: Improved Mix?
73%+ Hydration: Less than 70% Hydration (at least with this dough)
Young Levain: Not super clear. He says to let it work for 12-16 hours for this recipe. That seems like the same ballpark to me as the other guys.

Is this enough to create the massive differences in fermentation times? Or am I just getting something wrong and creating the problem for myself. It seemed to me the dough was not puffing up in the way I would have expected in his given timeframe. However, the dough was getting quite sour (I tasted it), so I went ahead and baked. Therefore, I was thinking my starter's yeast population may be the problem.  It's 100% hydration/100% rye starter. When fed 1:2:2 it doubles in 7 hours and triples between 12-14 hours (I don't know i had to go to bed). Triple is as high as it goes then falls.

Small confession, I usually add about 25% more salt than the recipe calls for. I know this will also slow down fermentation but I haven't noticed that dramatic a difference in Forkish/Robertson recipes.

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johnm0123

Bread recipe management app - help test the beta version!

Hello all,

I have created an web app to manage bread recipes. I originally came up with this idea as a way to not deal with spreadsheets, have my recipes centrally located, and available on any device with internet access. I couldn’t find anything that was exactly what I was looking for and was free, so I decided to have a go at making my own :)

 I am hoping the bread community can help in developing this app. I am only one baker, so I need other bakers to help determine what they are looking for in a bread recipe management app.

I am releasing the app as a beta, you will need a key to sign up. You can email me at geekbreadapp@gmail.com to request a beta key and I will send one to you.

The site is www.geekbread.com 

A video demonstration of the app can be found here: https://youtu.be/AqtKx9oQeC8

The questions I am looking for beta testers to answer are:

  • What do you like about the app? What do you not like?

  • What features would you like to see be added to the app?

  • Did you encounter any bugs? (i.e. I clicked this button and nothing happened) Please leave a detailed acct of what you did so I can try to recreate

  • Do you see yourself using geekbread as a way to manage your bread recipes? If not, explain why

Hopefully this isn’t taken as selfish promotion, I am developing geekbread as a way to help the bread community manage recipes and want to involve the bread community in its development!

Let me know if you have any questions.

Here is a screenshot as well:

geebread pic

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preppymcprepperson

Cornmeal-Wheat bread with biga

I developed this loaf as a compromise between my partner and I. He likes soft sandwich breads that are either white or have a small percentage of whole grain - light, soft, fluffy. I like big country loaves at >50% whole grain - strong crusts and a hearty crumb. Between us, we've eaten 3/4 of this loaf in 2 days, so it seems to have hit the spot. Here's what I did:

For the biga: mix 180 grams AP flour, 70 grams coarse yellow cornmeal, 170 ml water (80 degrees F), .5 g of yeast until incorporated. Cover and let ferment at room temperature until tripled in volume. On a warm day, this took 11 hours, but in colder weather, I imagine could be as long as 14.

For the final dough: mix 250 grams whole wheat flour, 230 ml water (100 degrees F), 2.3g yeast, 11g salt - mix just to incorporate, then add the biga torn into chunks, and mix by hand (I use the Forkish pincer method) until fully combined.

Bulk ferment 3-4 hours, with 3 S&F in first 90 minutes. Pre-shape, rest 10 minutes, and then final shape. Proof one hour, slash well, and bake at 445 F for 20 minutes covered, 25 minutes uncovered. 

Upon reflection, I think it could have taken a little more water, maybe an extra 20-30ml at the final dough stage. I may experiment with this in future.

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Betht87

Beginner Recipe - ideas

Hi all

I was wondering if anyone could suggest a good beginner recipe for me. I've had a few attempts now, some were great, others not so much. I think I'm attempting to run a little before I can walk trying high hydration doughs before I've got the basics down.

I have a starter that is 50% rye, 50% strong white flour. This will be at 100% hydration at the point of baking. This has been in the fridge all week, so I will activate some of it this evening to make a levain that I will make over the next 24 hours. I think the problem with my last loaf was that I used too much levain and it overproofed for this reason, so some help on the amount of this I need for the loaf would be helpful. 

My ingredients are:

Extra strong Canadian white flour (around 15% protein)

Strong wholemeal flour

I would like a light, white feeling loaf with some wholemeal in to make it healthier. Can anyone suggest a good easy recipe I can use with these ingredients, with an easy to manage hydration level?

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Anonymous baker (not verified)

Talk to me about Barley Bread

One doesn't come across barley bread very much, if at all! Historically I'm under the impression it was more popular but for some reason it has fallen out of favour. Why should this be so?

So my next quest is a Sourdough Barley Bread. Can anyone advise what I should expect? Whenever I try a new bread I want to learn as much as possible before I dive in. Hydration I should be aiming for, how quickly it ferments, what's the gluten like etc.

Don't know why but I'm thinking of treating it like spelt and making it with honey. Just my gut feeling.

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BreadBabies

anyone have a recipe using unfed starter?

I have a highly demanding 1-year-old. The ability to make a levain (especially a multi-stage levain) is usually a limiting factor in my sourdough bread production. I'm wondering if anybody has a good sourdough recipe (for actual sourdough bread, not like muffins or something) using unfed starter. I'm not picky (well, I am, but not in this case).  It can be highly acidic a la SF or sweet and creamy (probably not likely in this case) like the French love.  I'm just looking for a flavorful bread. Anybody got a recipe/method for that?

I noticed Reinhart says it's okay to use unfed starter as long as it was fed recently in Bread Baker's Apprentice. But I'm apprehensive and looking for a little more guidance.

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