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leslieruf

Feel good bake :)

After recent bakes I have been a bit disheartened. Earlier this week I got the Red Star Yeast newsletter and they featured “Unbelievable Sweet Orange rolls” - a variation on cinamon rolls.  I followed the recipe exactly (I made a slightly bigger dough and had to bake some rolls seperately) and whilst mine wasn’t as pretty as theirs, it went down a treat with friends tonight. it feels good to have a sucess and the taste was really nice - a combination of orange and cinamon.  yum!

Happy baker tonight

Leslie

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abbajabanana

Another post about bad Tartine loaves

I CANNOT get a Tartine style loaf to spring in my Dutch oven anything close to the real deal. I've been working on this for years with unsatisfactory results.

Bread with a tight crumb

 

To answer some common questions: I use King Arthur flours and filtered water. Yes, I've followed the directions and hydration exactly (and experimented with both). Always the same results; Yes, I've tried overnight cold proofing. Same results; Yes, I've tried both parchment paper and no-parchment-paper bakes. Same results; I have proofed the final loaves for ranges between 30m and 180m; similarly flat; Yes, I know what gluten development looks like; And I've even tried just about every recipe in "Tartine 3" with added grains and such, with the same results.

Additional info: I bought a loaf at the Tartine Bakery in SF, and the flavor was almost exactly what I get. But the crumb was very open and not like mine. I have attempted at least 30 loaves in this style, I'd say.

So, what is it? Do I just have a dud of a starter? Is this simply impossible without a commercial oven? Has anyone cracked this code?

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EngineerNate

Hello from East Tennessee!

Hi all!

I've been cooking/baking since college but only recently really got into the bread making thing. I've had some early success with yeast breads:

But, having grown up in Northern California, I crave that San Francisco Sourdough tang. After a few misfires, I got a starter that seemed to be behaving:

The hair band is the pre-rise marker. So yesterday I gave the Tartine recipe up at the New York Times a shot:

https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1016277-tartines-country-bread

And had my first major flop of my baking career. Literally. It flopped into a hockey puck. A puck with a decent sour flavor, but absolutely no rise and a texture quite like old shoe leather:

I'm trying again today with a little simpler recipe from here:

http://www.homecookingadventure.com/recipes/easy-sourdough-bread-vermont-bread

Being an engineer by trade I'm determined to troubleshoot and fix my process. So any post-mortem comments on my failures are definitely welcome!

I look forward to trying out your guys recipes and actually making some decent naturally leavened bread!

Cheers!
Nathan  

 

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Wartface

Baking sourdough bread in my Kamado oven...

72% hydration sourdough 2 day bread...

 

Baked outdoors on my Kamado ceramic oven at 500°F, cold out of the fridge. 

 

I used a large stainless steel mixing bowl to trap the steam for the first half of the baking process. Then I removed the bowl and turned the temperature down to 450°F.

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Moscuba

Freezing Bread and Other Things that dry out

Hi,

I've tried many things but this technique seems to work best.

  1. Place bread/food in food grade plastic bag, get rid of as much air as possible, seal well
  2.  Wrap with very damp, not dripping wet, towel. I use a cotton kitchen towel
  3. Place in another bag and seal

Sorry, my photos would not upload but you don't need them.

 

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rff000

Is homemade fermented rye malt possible?

Fermented "red" rye malt is an ingredient in some Russian breads, e.g. Borodinsky. It's made commercially by placing green malt in 3-foot piles and letting it get warm and fermented on its own, under temperature controlled conditions. The inside gets hottest and pieces of the inside and outside are exchanged systematically. Some mold is formed in the process. This exact method is close to impossible to reproduce at home and many Russian websites have tried to figure out how to come close.

Actually, the only hard part is the fermentation itself, after the "green" malt has sprouted. One person on a website suggested putting the green malt in a plastic bag that is almost closed, until some mold starts to form. I found a more promising possibility, but I haven't tried it. Actually, I have a supply of around 4 lb. of the commercial fermented malt that I got in Moscow, but I'm just curious about making it at home, in case I may need it in the future.

The promising lead is the malt type called "acidulated malt," which is soured with lactic acid. I'm not sure if acidulated rye malt would be close to fermented rye malt after souring and roasting, but it may come close. The book "The Homebrewer's Garden" has a home recipe for souring green malt on page 136, which I was able to view on acidulated malt. The main thing is if you can get souring without mold. 

 

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misspia13

Lahey-Tartine Hybrid Artisan Loaf (with Dry Active Yeast)

I am definitely a weekend baker and tending to a sourdough starter hasn't seemed very feasible. I am contemplating ordering a live on online just to do one test loaf and see how much of a difference it really makes. But until then, I wanted create a no-knead recipe with Dry Active yeast that I could rely on to get a Tartine-esque loaf without the starter. The recipe below is based on Lahey loaf ingredients with more of a Tartine bulk ferment and shaping technique. I prep the dough the Friday night around 8pm so I still have time to do the initial folds before bed. I slept in Saturday morning and started the initial shaping around 11am. The crust is thin but crackly, the crumb is light and mouth-melty but not as holey as I would like. I think that there is very little you can do to increase these holes from the initial Lahey recipe ingredients. If you think there can be an improvement to increase hole size, let me know!

 

I tried to copy down most of the relevant shaping notes from the Tartine book, but knowledge of how to do a French Fold is needed. You can take a look at the Tartine book at a bookstore or it's an easy technique to find on YouTube. Let me know if you feel like additional details for shaping should be included in this recipe. 

 

LAHEY TARTINE LOAF (with dry active yeast)

INGREDIENTS

• 3 c. bread flour (or mix of all-purpose) + more for dusting

• ¼ teaspoon instant/dry active yeast

• 1¼ teaspoons sea salt

• 1½ c. water

1. In a large bowl add the flour, yeast, salt and water. Stir until a rough dough forms.

2. Let rest 20 minutes

3. Wet hangs, and do a French Fold every 30 min for 2 hours.

4. Cover lightly with plastic or cling wrap, and let rise for 14 hours- overnight, at room temperature (about 70 degrees). Your dough is ready when it has puffed up in volume, about 1½ -2x its original size.

5. With the help of a plastic scraper, pour dough onto floured surface. Use bench knife and one hand to work dough into a round shape. Tension builds when the dough slightly anchors to the work surface while you rotate it. By the end of shaping, the dough should have a taught smooth outer surface.

6. After initial shaping, let round of dough rest on the work surface for 20-30 minutes for bench rest. Cover with damp paper towel or dishtowel. 

7. Lightly flour the loaf surface. Slip the bench knife under each round to lift it off the work surface, taking care to maintain the round shape. Flip the round so that the floured side is now resting on the work surface. What was underside is now facing up.

8. Do one French fold starting on the bottom edge, and complete for all four sides while being careful not to disrupt any lovely air bubbles. This will create a neat package. Then grab the dough edge nearest to you and wrap it up and over, while rolling the whole package away from you so that the smooth underside of the load is now the top and all the seams are on the bottom.

9. Cup your hands around the dough and pull it toward you, rounding it against the work surface to tighten the tension and stretch the outer surface to close the seam. Let the shaped loaf rest for a minute.

10. Line a bowl with a clean kitchen towel, or banneton, and coat with rice/wheat flour.

11. Using the bench knife, lift the shaped loaf off the work surface and transfer it to the bowl so that the smooth side is down and the seam is centered and facing up. Cover with remaining towel edges.

12. Preheat oven to 500 with Dutch oven inside.

13. Let dough rise for 1-2 hours (longer is possible). You can refrigerate for up to 12 hours instead.

14. Dust surface of loaf in bowl. Flip bowl onto parchment paper. Score the loaf. Take out Dutch oven and drop loaf on parchment into the bottom.

15. Cover oven and place into oven. Turn down to 450 degrees. Bake for 20-25 minutes.

16. Remove lid, and continue to bake uncovered for 25-35 minutes, until golden-brown crust forms with bits of burned edges along scoring.

17. Remove pan from oven and transfer loaf (a spatula helps) to a cooking rack on the counter. The loaf will feel light in hand and hollow sounding when bottom is tapped. Crust should be crackling. Let cool for 1 hour at least before cutting to avoid a gummy crumb.

 

*I did a 2 cup bread flour/1 cup all-purpose because that's what I had in the pantry. The lahey recipe calls for all bread flour but, I think you can get a good result from any flour since the shaping and bulk ferment bring a lot of levity to the dough already. 

** Can hold yeast and salt from the recipe until the first fold. That is more of a Tartine-inspired process to create a basic auto-lyse before yeast and salt is added. 

 

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Anonymous baker (not verified)

Yeast Water in 3.5 days

Tuesday night I put together one cup of currants  (in my last post I wrongly called them sultanas - what's the difference?) and two cups of water.  Every day I kept them in a warm 29C environment using my yoghurt maker and by early hours Saturday morning it had matured. All the currants are floating and it's fizzing. It's now in the fridge.  Tonight I'll put together a preferment to make a bread tomorrow. So far so good. I do have some questions on maintenance though...

Is it better to take off however much YW I need, keep the remainder in the fridge and when needed just feed and allow to mature at room temperature?

Or is it better to feed straight away, allow to mature and then refrigerate? 

If the second way could I just proceed straight onto a levain build using the YW that has been sitting in the fridge for a while or would I need to repeat the process first? This is why I think the first way might be best should one need to do this. 

How often do I replace the fruit?

The yeast water did produce a 'skin' which I just stirred in as I thought it harmless. Was I correct in doing so?

Oh and any recipe ideas are welcome!

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northsidebakery

Wholesale Bakery for sale Queens, NY

 

   I am helping a friend sell his turn key artisan bakery. This is a fully operational bakery located in College point Queens. After over 10 years have dedication and work my friend is retiring and is ready to sell his business. At this time the bakery is operating and will be transitioned to the new owner once the purchase is carried out. 

 Queens 5,000 Square foot Wholesale bakery plant set up to manufacture bread rolls and pastries. Fully equipped turn key all permits in place. Rent only $5,500 per month. Low overhead 1,500 of extra space available if needed. To replace this would cost of $350,000 plus wait for permits. Fantastic for bread, bagel or desert company. .

   Equipment:

 14.4 sq meter 4 deck oven with manual loader

 Walk in box 7 x 10 

 Stationary mixer (1 bag capacity)

 2 wooden tables

 Clark 3,000 lb propane fork lift

Racks, pans, baskets trays and shelving

Office and computers

 and more.

 This is a low cost opportunity to own and operate a turn key bakery in NYC with a large market. Please send a message with additional questions.

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DanAyo

How to make Toadies

I’ve searched the site looking for all the info I can find on Toadies. DAB explained it this way. “Toadies are named after a Fresh Loafian (toad,de,b)  who invented them.  Take wheat and oat bran, mix in some wheat germ and sifted unused middlings from home milling and then dry toast them in a skillet until nicely browned then cool and grind them.  Another one of the great flavoring and coloring additives for bread.”

I’m trying to figure out if I need to order some supplies for this. I have a grain mill. Can I grind some wheat and sift out the large bits? Do I need to order wheat germ? What about oat bran and middlings. 

I need an education on this. I think this might be exactly the flavor addition I am looking for.

Thanks

Dan

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