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DanAyo

Tip - how to check for steam in oven

I am contemplating a Rofco, but would prefer to use my home oven if it would produce enough steam and hold consistent heat. Since ovens are filled with hot air, steam is invisible. Today, I went for the fence and preheated the oven with a stone, a full size steam pan filled with lava rocks, and a Rofco Steam Pod. 20 minutes before the bake I poured 1 cup of boiling water into the Rofco pod and 2 cups into the steam pan. I folded a wet bath towel and plugged up the steam vents in the top of the oven door. After the 20 minute pre-steam, the loaf was loaded and the water was refreshed exactly like before. With all of that done I searched every vent on the oven looking for steam and couldn’t find any at all. But I came up with an idea.

I got a mirror and started search around the oven vents. I discovered that steam was coming out of the steam vent that is located within the oven’s control panel. The mirror fogged up instantly. I checked the door vents that was blocked with a wet towel and found no steam leakage.

It was also reassuring to learn that after the steam vessels were removed, there was no steam to be found anywhere coming from the oven. Seeing is believing...

I thought posting this might help others in search of their oven’s steam. It work exceptionally well for me.

Dan

Update - I have since made a video about oven steaming and thought it might be of interest to some. I am still in the learning process, so this is a work in progress...

NOTE - to go straight to the section about testing for steam, scroll to the 2:30 mark. In this demonstration the oven is cold so there is no humidity on the mirror.

NOTE - just in case the entirety of this post is not read, here is a nugget. BikeProf brought up the fact that pre-steamng an oven has no benefit. My own testing proves this. When an oven is vented of steam (opening the door) all steam and humidity is lost. The mirror test should validate this. 

The Rofco vs. home oven (pretaining to steam) question remains. I know the oven can be steamed for 20 minutes or more (if necessary). But I don’t know if the amount of steam generated is enough to maximize the bake.

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DanAyo

HELP with Sprouted Grain

I am attempting to bake my first sprouted grain bread. I followed Rienhart’s instructions to soak grain in spring water for 2 days. Use 1 part grain to 2 parts water by weight. Rinse and change water daily. 

Below is a closeup of my grain after 2.5 days. Is this ready? I don’t see many sprouts.

I appreciate the help!

Dan

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makebreadnet

Infused Yeast Water

Hi all,

I made another blog post on my site about making bread with infused yeast water.  It's really amazing to me how simple it is to make the yeast water and I'm especially grateful for how this bread came together.

If you've never made yeast water before, I know the sound of the name is weird.  However, it's a pretty rewarding process.  You put some fruit in a jar, top it off with water, and let it sit for a bout a week until the fruit begins to ferment.  You'll see bubbles in your jar when this happens and it indicates that it is ready to use.

When you go to use it, the infused water replaces your granular yeast and leavens the bread.  It doesn't really have a very strong flavor or aroma, but it does give the bread a wonderful, albeit subtle, fruity quality that I think is makes the bread really special.

I made this bread by mixing 500g KA AP flour with 20g salt and 20g sugar.  I usually use less salt when I make bread but to be honest I measured wrong and the difference wasn't very noticeable.  You should probably only use half of that amount so scoop 10g of salt instead of the 20g that I used.

To the dry ingredients, add somewhere between 350ml and 375ml of the yeast water and knead until developed.  I used the "busy dad / lazy man's" hand method where I mixed it all together and did a few slap and folds throughout the process since my day was pretty scattered. 

After a while the bread will grow a little bit, at which point you should shape and put in a proofing basket for about an hour.  Meanwhile preheat your oven to 500˚F and load in your baking stone or bread cloche.  I use a cloche...would really recommend it, but do what you like! 

Load your bread in to the cloche and reduce oven to 450˚F and bake with the lid for the first 15 minutes, then without the lid until it's done, another 15-20 minutes and that's all!

I hope you enjoyed reading this and MAKE this bread!

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yozzause

White with Millet

What do you do when given some interesting flour to play with? well you have to go home and try it straight away! i made a White loaf with 10% addition of Millet Flour.

I required enough dough to fill a banneton 750g

bakers flour 90% 393g
millet flour 10% 42g
salt 2% 9g
lard 2% 9g
malt 2% 9g
yeast (dry) 2% 9g
water 70% 295g

This was quite a quick acting dough and when shaped i decided to make the loaf placed upside down in a banneton to prove but like the old uprights that can be pulled apart quite easily , look a bit like siamese twins. The Aroma is quite divine if the taste is half as good i will be well pleased!

 

 

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Danni3ll3

Kamut 3 Ways with Honey

I was checking out my stash of grains and realized that I have a lot of Kamut. So I decided to do a repeat of a loaf that I did about a year ago. I did make a few changes to include things that I have learned over the past year and also decided to add some honey. 

 

And.... I forgot to add my usual yogurt. I didn’t feel up to par for some reason so I’ll consider myself lucky that the rest of the dough seemed to come nicely together. 

 

Recipe

 

Makes 3 loaves

 

Sprouts

100 g Kamut berries

 

Soaker

50 g flax seeds

100 g Kamut flakes

300 g boiling water

 

Dough

700 g unbleached flour

250 g high extraction Kamut flour (mill and sift 285 g of Kamut berries)

50 g high extraction rye flour (mill and sift 60 g of rye berries)

570 g water + 30 g 

60 g honey

22 g pink Himalayan salt

200 g 100% hydration 4 stage levain (procedure in recipe)

Extra whole grain wheat or/and partially sifted whole grain flour for levain

 

Three days before:

  1. Soak 100 g Kamut berries in plenty of filtered water for 6 to 8 hours. Hubby forgot to drain mine while I was away at pottery so it was more like 12 hours!
  2. Drain and rinse the berries. Drain again and let sit at room temp (72 F).
  3. Every 6 to 8 hours, rinse and drain the berries, and keep at room temp  until the roots are about the same length as the berries themselves. This took about 2.5 days for me. Your mileage may vary. =D
  4. Rinse, drain very well and refrigerate until needed.

 

Two nights before:

  1. Take 5 g of refrigerated starter and feed it 5 g water and 5 g whole wheat flour.
  2. Let sit overnight.

 

The morning before:

  1. Feel the levain 15 g of water and 15 g of whole wheat flour.
  2. Let sit 12 hours.

 

The night before:

  1. Prepare the soaker by toasting the flax seeds in a dry frying pan. Place the flax seeds in a bowl, add the Kamut flakes and pour the boiling water over the seeds and flakes. Cover and let soak overnight.
  2. If you are using Kamut and Rye berries, mill into flour. You could use commercial whole grain Kamut flour and dark rye flour if milling your own is not a possibility. Sift to remove the bran. 
  3. Place 250 g of the Kamut flour and 50 g of the rye flour in a tub. To the tub, add the unbleached flour. Cover and reserve till the next morning.
  4. Save the extra flour and the bran to feed the levain. I ended up with a total of 20 g of Kamut/Rye bran and 21 g of extra Kamut flour.
  5. Add 30 g of water and 30 g of bran/extra Kamut flour to the levain. Let sit overnight at room temp (72 F). Note that the bran and the whole grain flour make for a very thick mixture.

 

Dough day:

  1. In the morning, prepare the final stage of the levain. Add 60 g of water and enough leftover Kamut flour and partially sifted whole grain wheat flour to make 60 g. Mix well and let sit until it peaks; this took 3 and a half hours. 
  2. An hour or so before the levain is ready, add 570 g water to the bowl with the soaker, stir to loosen the mix, and pour it all into the tub with the flour. Add the honey and mix until all the flour is hydrated. Autolyse (let sit) for an hour. 
  3. At the same time, take the sprouts out of the fridge to warm up on the counter.
  4. Once the autolyse is done, add the Kamut sprouts, the salt, the yogurt, 30 g water, and 200 g of levain. Mix well and let rest for 30 minutes.
  5. Do three sets of French slaps and folds (75/40/10) at 30 minutes intervals. The dough felt quite sticky for some reason. Again on 30 minute intervals and in a warm spot (oven with light on), do 3 sets of stretches and folds in the tub. The folds really helped pull the dough together. 
  6. Let rest until you can see bubbles through the walls of the tub, the dough feels jiggly and there are some bubbles along the walls of the tub. The dough rose about 30%. Total bulk fermentation was 4.5 hours. 
  7. Tip the dough out on a bare counter, sprinkle the top with flour and divide into portions of ~820g. Round out the portions into rounds with a dough scraper and let rest 45 minutes to one hour on the counter. 
  8. Do a final shape by flouring the rounds and flipping the rounds over on a lightly floured counter. Gently stretch the dough out into a circle. Pull and fold the third of the dough closest to you over the middle. Pull the right side and fold over the middle and do the same to the left. Fold the top end to the center patting out any cavities. Finally stretch the two top corners and fold over each other in the middle. Roll the bottom of the dough away from you until the seam is underneath the dough. Cup your hands around the dough and pull towards you, doing this on all sides of the dough to round it off. Finally spin the dough to make a nice right boule.
  9. Sprinkle rice flour and Kamut flakes in the bannetons. Place the dough seam side down in the bannetons, cover, let rest for a few minutes on the counter and then put to bed in a cold (38F) fridge for 9-10 hours. 

Baking Day:

  1. The next morning, heat the oven to 475F with the Dutch ovens inside for 45 minutes to an hour. Turn out the dough seam side up onto a cornmeal sprinkled counter. Place rounds of parchment paper in the bottom of the pots, and carefully place the dough seam side up inside. 
  2. Cover the pots and bake the loaves at 450 F for 30 minutes, remove the lids, drop the temperature to 425F, and bake for another 17 minutes. Internal temperature should be 205F or more.

 

I was very happy when I lifted the lids and saw that these loaves had sprung nicely! They sure smell good!


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mwilson

This is not a sourdough starter...

I must be barmy!

Spontaneously fermented malt extract.

An unwashed jar that previously contained unpasteurised honey was filled with malt extract syrup produced from English barley (Hordeum. vulgare) and carbonated water at a 1:1.5 ratio by weight. One leaf of bay (Laurus. nobilis) and one leaf of basil (Ocimum. basilicum) were added as an additional source of naturally occurring microorganisms. The malt solution was held outside exposed to the environment kept in a limited aerobic condition whereby the jar was covered with a fine cloth to prevent the entry of unwanted insects. After two days the jar was transferred to a temperature controlled fridge set at 12 degrees Celsius (°C). The solution was subjected to vigorous shaking at various intervals to encourage oxygen uptake by the developing yeasts.

After 7 days at 12°C the resulting foam (barm) that occurs atop of the malt solution after shaking was harvested...

 

 

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zuff_yeah

We are looking for teachers

 

 

Good evening,

my name is Filippo and I write from a beautiful city called Bergamo,

located in northern Italy.

I worked for a few years as a pizza chef in Italy and six months in

Greece. From one year I found out the bread with sourdough, and seems

that in Italy it is still a recent practice. There are few realities

willing to teach.

My girlfriend and I would like to open a micro bakery near our house

and we are looking for someone to teach a small business.

Produce 1 kg of bread is different to produce 50 kg

We would like to make bread with long fementations (using the fridge)

with sourdough and organic flours. At the moment I have a little

experience with tests done at home (after reading Tartine bread) by kneading by hand and cooking in

a "Lodge" cast-iron (waiting to buy a mixer and the Rofco b40 oven) if

anyone is interested and want to help us we will be honored.

We are willing to leave for all of Europe (Spain, England, Ireland, France, Germany Etc ..)

 

Thank you

 

 

 

Filippo and Linda

 

 

 

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Teri Bills

Starter Trouble

I need some help with my starter and starter maintenance. It’s a very slow starter- feeding it 1:4:4 (mature starter:flour:water) and keeping it at 69F it takes 12-14 hours to reach peak (doubled and leveled off-it’s never more than doubled). When I use a levain (at peak and passing the float test) in bread it takes about 7-10 hours to rise 50% in bulk fermentation at 75-80F. That seems like an outrageously long time and I think the problem lies in my starter. I’m not sure how to have a truly active starter that will begin rising immediately, or even within a few hours. Any help would be welcome!

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DanAyo

Need a little Spelt Help

I was inspired by Abe’s recent spelt bake. Up until now I’ve only used spelt at 10% for extensibility.

I originally intended to try 100% spelt, but milling it was a learning process for me. I’ve ground many grains, but nothing so far like spelt. The best way I can describe it is it felt a little like milling cardboard :-) The bran is soft and the extraction (#50) was unusual. I got about 80% extraction. The bran was difficult to chew, so I plan to use it to flour the banneton, at least that is my current choice. Since the extraction was lower than what I’m accustomed to I opted for 12% KA Sir Lancelot (14% protein) to complete the required flour.

I would appreciate any advice and/or suggestions to lower my learning curve with this grain. I am excited to taste the bread to experience the flavor.

I am beginning to wonder what Abe got me into... <LOL>

Dan

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not.a.crumb.left

Semolina, emmer, WW and white loaf inspired by Rich's 1-2-3 from RWC

I was inspired by the flour combination and the beautiful loaves that Rich aka rgreenberg2000 made for the 123 community bake.

A friend also reminded me of Kirsten's aka https://www.instagram.com/fullproofbaking/?hl=en method which she uses including lamination of the dough as well really pushing the bulk at lower temps 73Fish with a limited amount of folds.

She also then skips pre-shape and goes straight to final shaping.

I did not have any rye so used Emmer flour instead...

750g Strong White organic Marriages

50g Emmer (bag from my trip to Germany)

100g Caputo Semolina/Durum (from my trip to London and from Lina's Store as per Abe's tip!)

100g WW Organic Marriagse

800g water

200g leaven 100 hydration (90% strong White and 10% light rye) 

20g salt

Long 5 hours AL without salt whilst waiting for the leaven

Mixed levain first and waited 30 min to add salt and used only Rubaud as after long AL the dough developed gluten nicely already.

1 S & F 30 min after adding salt

Lamination 1.5 min after salt

Then folds 60 min and 120 min after lamination and then left the dough alone for 1.5 hours...and by then it had doubled and was soo proofy...

Dough after lamination...

Dough before turning out on surface for shaping..

Final shaping only and this was a proofy monster..

I let it rest 15 min in banneton and then for 2 hours in the 4C is wine cooler for the very wobbly dough to cool down...

Score straight in the middle trying to get that double ear!

Loaf has a nice yellow hue which I think must be from the Semolina and also the crust seems to be particularly cripspy which I also noticed when I baked in the past with the Italian oo flour...

Really happy and without a doubt will bake this again and try also with rye once I have more...Thank you Rich for the great idea of flour combination and finally cracked open my bags of Semolina! Oh and it tastes really lovely....!!!

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