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Esopus Spitzenburg's picture
Esopus Spitzenburg

Modified Vermont Sourdough

For this bake, I used Hamelman's Vermont Sourdough (10% whole rye) as my base, but I made a few modifications for flavor and dough handling. I've made this recipe before and enjoyed it, but I found the dough a little too stiff when shaping, so I increased the hydration from 65% to 75%.

I did this by making a rye soaker the night before, hydrating the rye at 100%, without reducing the water in the final mix. This particular loaf retarded overnight (around 13 hours) in the fridge.

And here's a pic from when I took the lid of the combo-cooker off. I'm still working on my stencil skills-- some of them came out better than others.

 

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dabrownman

I Make Fancy Do Bread – Now I’m Mad

No not mad like crazy whack job mad but mad as hell none the less.  I go to Whole Foods ….eeeerrr…… whole paycheck, to get my normal load for whole grains – some oats, spelt, Kamut and who knows what else from the bins.  I don’t buy anything else there because I can get the same things I buy much cheaper anywhere else.

 

O don’t get white or red wheat or rye there because I can get them elsewhere for much, much cheaper as well.  Well Well….no whole grains were to be found in the bins at all …..not even wheat or rye at Whole Paycheck!  Things have changed drastically at Whole Foods since Amazon bought them ….except the super extreme high prices of course.

Now I have no reason to go there except to see my doctor of course, since I can’t ever seem to get an appointment to see him in his office and he is the only one I know who is rich enough to shop there.  I figured,since I was there, I went over to their flour aisle to see if they had discontinued all of their flour too.

We like beautiful bottoms.

All the Hayden mills was gone but they were carrying a whole bunch of Bob’s Red Mill flour in its place including Artisan Bread and two sprouted flours – spelt and Khorasan.  I couldn’t say no because that was the only way I was going to get any kind of spelt and Kamut and I would sprout them most of the time anyway if I had found the whole berries.

We love thick grilled pork chops almost as much as T-Bone stakes - and they look about the same too.

I could actually afford them too since they were all on special for some reason.  The normal pricing for all 3 would be way more than I would ever pay for flour of any kind.  Lucy is having a conniption fit and now worries that Smart and Final will quit carrying rye and Winco will cut out the red and white wheat all sold for less than 50 cents a pound in the bins.

Bob's Red Mill flours

We will worry about that when it happens. This week’s bread for Baby is 25% rye, red and white wheat milled from berries at home, 25% sprouted spelt and Khorasan and 50% Bob’s Artisan Bread Flour.  We did our usual 100% hydration. 12% pre-fermented flour (winter) bran levain that was retarded overnight after it doubled.

Looks like sandwich bread to me but was a bit over proofed and the dough not quite enough to proper;y fill put the pan I love so much!  It made fine toast this morning with butter, cherry jam, white cheddar, sausage, bacon and and egg on top for the stacked high breakfast sausage.

After 1 hour autolyse with the PHSS on top, we mixed it up at 80% hydration and immediately knew it was way too dry.  The BRM flours were very thirsty for some reason.  We added water to get it to 90% hydration but it still felt like a 80% hydration dough with this amount of whole grain and kind of flours. After 2 sets of slap and folds of 100 and 25 we did 2 sets of stretch and folds from the compass points letting it rest for half and hour between each on a thin foldalble plastic sheet and a heating pad with a stainless bowl on top covered with a towel.

Instant Pot Texas Beef Chuck, Chunk Chili with kidney beans that they hate so much:-)  Cilantro, green pinion, pepperjack cheese and creama stirred in as a garnish pile on

We then oiled up the bowl and plopped the dough in for a 12 hour bulk retard in the fridge.  After warming up for 2 and half hours, we shaped it into a short log for the non stick sprayed Oriental Pullman pan.  We let it proof till it was a little below level with the rim so the lid would slide on.  We preheated to 500 F but baked it for 18 minutes at 450 F lid on.

Lucy loves her salads and ribs

The lid was slid off and we baked it for 8 minutes at 425 F convection and then removed the bread from the pan and continued baking for 13 more minutes until it reached s07 F on the inside.  If bloomed itself up enough to nearly fill the Pullman with the lid on.  It then browned up nicely out of the on as well.  It would have had nice blisters if the top of the loaf didn’t get squished when it hit the lid.

and chicken noodle soup for lunch

Kale. broccoli, blueberry, cranberry. pomegranate and sunflower seed salad

It smells terrific.   Can’t wait to cut into it but that will have to wait till tomorrow.  Turns out to be very tasty, soft and moist inside and easy to cut the thin slices that my wife likes,  The sprouted grains really make this bread tastier than the ones without them.

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bradleydavidgood777

Sourdough, Dark Rye and Hand Mill

Hi Everyone! 

First time poster.  Brad from Media, PA near Philadelphia.

I'm interested primarily in old fashioned 100% rye sourdough bread made from freshly ground rye. I want to use dark rye.

I also intend to crack rye berries for eating like a porridge. 

The first thing I'm trying to decide on is a hand grinder.  I don't want a motor.  I'm looking at these two:

Deluxe Victorio

Country Living

The Victorio sure does look attractive based upon the low price and great reviews.  I'm wondering if it will grind rye OK or if I need to go with the Country Living.  I am not necessarily looking for a fine flour - I'm actually interested in getting the highest nutrition out of the rye - whatever way that is.  And I like hearty breads the most.

The Country Living is such a nice piece of equipment.  I am the type who loves to get really great equipment that is heavy and solid like this and lasts a lifetime, so I'm leaning toward this as my selection. 

Another factor is the clamp - The Victorio clamp is so small - but I've watched some review videos and read reviews and no one is complaining too much about it I don't think.

The next thing I'm trying to figure out is where to get my rye berries from.  I'm thinking it may be good to get them from Switzerland or Germany - I'm looking for organic and the highest quality super nutritious dark rye berries.  Any thoughts?

And then I'm wondering if you have any recommendations for good recipes or videos on sourdough bread and porridge or gruel specifically for rye - or something that would work well for 100% rye.

Thanks for the help!

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brec

Help me refrain from slicing my first sourdough loaf!

It's coming out of the oven in about 15 minutes from the time I'm typing this sentence -- unless the crust isn't dark enough, or the interior temperature not high enough.

Tell me why it's so harmful to a loaf of bread to slice it before it has (almost?) thoroughly cooled. How does the interior of one side of the bread know that the other side has been injured? What are the ill effects of impatience?

Please hurry!

 

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Patti Y

Ankarsrum mixer dough hook vs roller and adjusting the dough hook

The Ankarsrum book says to use the dough hook with doughs OVER 4 lbs. There is another reason but I can't remember it right now. Something about stiff vs softer dough or maybe it is wet vs dry dough. 

In The Bread Bible by Rose Levy Beranbaum, she states on pages 53 that the Ankarsrum's dough hook is to be used for UP TO 4 lbs of dough. When using the dough hook, use the scraper ONLY when mixing a very sticky dough. For larger amounts, use the roller and scraper. (Electrolux Magic Mill)

Then, on page 582, she says it again. Dough hook for under 4 lbs and roller for larger amounts of dough.

In her book, she always says WHY she does something differently. She does not say anything about using the Ankarsrum opposite of the way the Ankarsrum manual says to use the dough hook and roller.  

Did she just make a mistake in the book? Or is there a valid reason why she says to use the dough hook for doughs under 4 lbs? 

Any guesses?

 

Another Ankarsrum question... Is the dough hook supposed to scrape and bang against both sides of the bowl? It makes such a screeching noise, plus that can't be good for the bowl.

Do I need to adjust the dough hook? I noticed a small screw in the hole for the dough hook, but doesn't that just raise or lower the height of the dough hook?

Is the dough hook supposed to scrape the bottom of the bowl or is it NOT supposed to touch the bottom?

Thanks for your insight.

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davey1025

Simple white bread

Bread making is fun, even just making basic white bread

 

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Owen

Hints for sourdough rolls?

I've been making some good loaves with 100% white flour, 70% hydration (no additives). I decided to experiment with using the same dough making rolls, with mixed results (see photo), baking them at 200deg C for 30 minutes. On one dimension they are fine (good crumb inside) but the crust was a bit hard, so next time I'll do it at 180deg. The other thing is that when I put it on the tray to rise, they tend to slump, and the finished product looks a little odd. I'm used to using a banneton with a dutch oven, so this is new territory. Any hints that you can suggest?

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Mark Sealey

Rye sour starter from Stanley Ginsberg's 'The Rye Baker'

Hi!

I am following the instructions on pages 36, 37 of Stanley Ginsberg's The Rye Baker for the starter sour to the letter:

  • on Thursday I mixed 70g Bob's Red Mill Dark rye with 70g water at 104F° (using a yoghurt thermometer, whose tip did not touch the pan's bottom) etc in this jar. Everything very clean (I think). Left the lid closed - but not sealed with the clip - in the kitchen out of direct heat and light but with the ambient temperature around 68°/70°F; no draughts
  • on Friday I discarded all but 70g (although that did mean half, I measured precisely) and added the same mixture of 70g Bob's Red Mill Dark rye with 70g water; by then there was a nice healthy sour smell
  • on Saturday the same; still a healthy sour smell
  • but by this morning (day 4) the smell was not exactly 'moldy', nor rotten. Perhaps it is what Ginsberg calls on page 37 (first paragraph) more 'intense' :-)

Could I be doing something wrong, please? Should I persevere, or start from scratch and store in the fridge each day?

TIA!

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Xaimerafiki

Panettone trouble shooting. What went wrong?

Hi everybody,

This is my first post so apologies if I make any FL forum faux pas. This weekend I decided to bake my first ever panettone. I decided to use the formula that mwilson posted for "perfect panettone" but almost immediately ran into trouble. I couldn't find the method to go along with it so I aimed to form a dough with the lievito Madre, flour and water before adding eggs, sugar and finally butter. I had refreshed my lievito Madre 3times and it did triple in volume in the last refreshment.

In the beginning it was difficult to form a strong elastic dough with such little water, so I ended up adding the eggs and sugar before the dough was elastic. I kneaded that until elastic then added butter and kneaded again until windowpane.

However, after 12 in a warmish spot overnight (couldn't be sure it was 28C), little to no rise at all!!!?? What could have happened? In a desperate attempt to save it, I added a little commercial yeast (1/4tsp) with the secondo impasto along with the other ingredients. The dough has been rising for 4h now and I've seen maybe 50% volume increase.

What could I do differently next time?! I was sure I'd run into problems but I didn't think things would go wrong so quickly.

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abitsquirrely

Converting all purpose flour to bread flour

Hello! I read that I can convert my all purpose flour to bread flour with the addition of VWG, but the amounts suggested vary from 1 TSP to 1 TB per cup of AP. I don't have freezer space for both flours. Any help here would be appreciated.

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