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Nisha

Sourdough crumb.

So, i've been baking sourdough bread for about a year now. 

I love using a blend of various whole grain flours, in this picture, I've done a blend of whole wheat, sorghum and AP with a Rye Starter! I usually get decent crumbs when I add a little commercial yeast into my dough to help it rise, however, I don't get a strong crumb (or at least i think so) without adding a little commercial yeast. I live in India and the sourdough bread scene is still upcoming but slowly. Was hoping for a few tips! I'm not sure why i'm unable to get the bigger 'holes' in my bread.

 

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catreu

Sourdough coconut bread recipe

Hi everyone. I'm new on this blog. I was wondering if any of you ever experiment with sourdough coconut bread. I've been dreaming about the day i can make a bread like this. I've tried many time but i'm new to bread making and not sure where to start. My daughter and i are gluten intolerant and we love bread so much. One day we tasted this amazing bread that was made of only 4 ingredient ( coconut sourdough, coconut flour, whole coconut and salt) and ever since i've been obsess with wanting to find a recipe but with no luck. I would be so grateful if any of you could help me with this. Thank you so much

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lofi

Advice on a Rye Bread

Hello all,

I want to bake the Auvergne Rye bread described here by the Rye Baker

So far I've only baked breads from FWSY and I've had a lot of success with them with very decent crumbs (not very dense but not super airy).

I want to try this 73% rye bread because I want to work with higher proportions of rye but I'm surprised by how roughly this recipe proposes to handle the bread. After a stage 1 and 2 sponge, the recipe suggests mixing the bread with the dough hook 4-5 minutes, proofing it, kneading it, shaping and then proofing it again right before baking. 

Is it necessary to be so rough with this bread? I notice the crumb in the pictures is very dense, could I treat this dough much more gently and get results with a more open crumb?

I assume I'll have to be rough with it during the mixing even if I do it by hand, but for the kneading right before shaping, could I skip the kneading and just gently shape it before proofing and baking or do you think the dough would collapse in the oven if I don't knead it back down after the rise?

Thanks!

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bchan

Minimum rest time for Tang Zhong

I began experimenting w/ a variety of breads using the Tang Zhong method.  Some recipes call for a 6 hours refrigeration while others just has the Tang Zhong cool sufficient to use, and still others will indicate that if the Tang Zhong can be cooled with the other ingredients, such as water/milk, it can be used right away.

Is there a “sweet spot” to the resting time for Tang Zhong for maximum efficacy?  Or is the long rest time for flavor?

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Steve Petermann

What's in "Your Bag"

If you're a golfer or a photographer there is often an interest in what the pros have "in their bag" so they can decide if something is right for them as well.  While I have been baking bread for many years, I've only recently begun to delve more deeply into artisan baking. So, I'm curious what experienced bakers have found to be very important for their baking experience. I'm especially interested in what has really made a difference.  This could be equipment, tools, ingredients, books, techniques, advice, etc. So, if you're willing to share, I'm sure many of us with less experience will be interested.

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mikedilger

Very Yeasty Starter

I have been propagating a 100% white flour 60% hydration starter for a few weeks for use in SF sourdough recipes. I've become tired of that tack, so I let the starter sit in my drinks fridge at 10 C for about 4 days, unfed.

[Edit:  It also had 1% salt]

Today I took it out, baked it up, and ate it. Big oven spring. No sour taste. Massive taste of too much yeast. This is the first time I've tasted that classic yeast taste in ages, the taste like you dumped in a commercial pack of yeast.

I'm wondering why that environment was so favourable to yeast.

Hydration:  I've heard mixed opposite opinions on this, but never spent much time with stiff starters to see for myself. I now think that low hydration lowers the LAB:yeast ratio (flavors yeast), but slows everything down. Is that correct?

Over fermentation: I've heard once the pH gets too low, the LAB stop but the yeast keep on reproducing. This could explain the dominance of yeast flavor. The dough didn't taste sour, but there might have been a low pH nonetheless but also a low TTA and so not noticeably sour... getting a really sour bread is notoriously hard, so it shouldn't be too surprising that this wasn't.

Temperature: I've heard that middle temperatures like 23C or so minimize the LAB:yeast ratio, but that LAB outgrows yeast at every temperature. If that's true, the other factors must have been more significant.

Is this in line with your expectations?  Do you have better explanations or theories?

 

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Cristina

85% white whole wheat loaf

This is the highest percentage whole grain (white whole wheat) loaf that I've made that turned out pretty decent! I am new to this, so forgive me if I do not have the right terminology. If my calculations are correct, the bread turned out to be 85% whole wheat (because my starter is fed with AP flour) and 82% hydration. 

125g starter (100% hydration, AP flour)

275g water

350g KAF white whole wheat flour

7g salt

I did 4 folds every hour for 4 hours and then put it in the fridge overnight at around 9pm. The next morning, I took it out of the fridge and let it sit for 2 hours on the counter.  Then, I shaped it and let it sit for about 1.5 hours. 

Baked at 450 deg F for 25 min in a dutch oven with lid on, then about 5 min with the lid off. 

Please take a look and critique! 

Also one question .... when I shape my loaves into boules, I get these large air bubbles just under the surface.  I used to pop them, but then I read that it's bad to let the surface of the loaf tear - I'm still not sure why it's bad, but regardless, I stopped popping them.  What ends up happening is large holes near the surface (see right side of loaf in pic below). Any suggestions?

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mikedilger

A simple calculator

In order to learn how to write WebAssembly (wasm) code in the rust language (eyes glaze over... yeah, it wasn't an important detail) I've built a simple sourdough calculator:

https://mikedilger.com/bread.html

There is plenty of scope for improvement.

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gmvoros

Tartine's Method for Storing Levain

Hello, Everyone:

I am fairly new to bread making and have been working with both the Ken Forkish FLOUR WATER SALT YEAST book and Tartine's Book 3 on using ancient grains. 

I have created a starter using the method described in Tartine: Book No. 3: Modern Ancient Classic Whole. Since it is a two-week long process, I feel the result is precious and want to keep the end product on hand.  The book instructs, "To maintain the leaven for regular use, continue feeding daily as described. . . To save leaven for long periods without use, add enough flour to make a dry paste and keep covered in the refrigerator." 

I can't feed daily because of my job schedule. The instruction to make a paste seems quite vague, when all other instructions have been precise down to the gram. If I add a random quantity of flour to the leaven I want to store, how will I know how much more flour and water to add when I want to revive it?

Thanks for any help anyone can offer!

 

Gyorgyi

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gmvoros

Why discard starter?

Hello, Everyone:

I am fairly new to bread making and have been working with both the Ken Forkish FLOUR WATER SALT YEAST book and Tartine's Book 3 on using ancient grains. 

One thing that mystifies me is the vast quantity of flour that must be thrown out in the course of both their processes for creating levain. I can't imagine that people in former times who invented these processes could be so cavalier with their flour as to thrown away hundreds of grams of it daily. Forkish says to think of it as "spent fuel," but since the part you're throwing out is exactly the same as the part you keep and keep working with, it is apparently not completey "spent."

I would appreciate an explanation. Thanks!

Gyorgyi

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