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DanAyo

Tip - Reducing Oven Temp

It is common practice among bread bakers to reduce the heat of the oven at some point during the bake. The idea being, high heat initially to produce huge oven spring, then lower heat to prevent burning. A recent test seems to indicate that what WE THINK is happening, isn’t.

The chart above was logged with the temperature probe placed 1 inch away from the baking stone. The oven had already baked 2 loaves and remained set at 500F for at least a coupe of hours. At 6:53 the oven door was opened and at that time the oven was also turned completely off. It took 18 minutes with the oven off for the temperature probe to register 450F. The actual drop was 67 degrees F.

From this I conclude that if we want to noticeably reduce the oven temperature during a bake, it is best turn the oven off and open the oven door for a predetermined time. As of yet I have no idea what that duration of time might be. The top left side of the chart above shows a quick reduction in temperature when the door is opened, but recovers quickly once closed.

- - - I am challenging another concept. The pros do, so we do it. Inject steam initially, then at some point vent the oven to remove it. I use a home oven so we know that it is not a sealed unit. But recent test of never venting the oven during the duration of the bake is producing very good results. My breads have a very chewy crust. This method seems to tenderize the crust ever so slightly. - - -

I hope other bakers will challenge the status quo. It is not irreverent to question the things we hold dear. Instead of being insulted when our beliefs are proven wrong, shouldn’t we rejoice in the truth? The truth needs no crutch, and it sets us free...

With that said, maybe my observation above is wrong. And if it is, I want to know...

Danny

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DanAyo

Next Community Bake - Guess Who?

Kristen of Full Proof Baking will be our featured baker for the next Community Bake (CB). The next CB is scheduled to take place in late October.

 Kristen’s of Full Proof Baking is a gifted home baker that is turning out world class breads. She is an exceptional teacher and her videos are first class. 

 Many TFL users were introduced to the lamination technique through Kristen. Each time I watch her videos, and I’ve studied them countless times, I am amazed at how precise her movements always are. She handles dough like an elite professional. This gal is perfection, personified!

 Kristen is known for her outrageously open crumb, but I’ve used her formulas and methods to bake more modest and equally gorgeous moderate crumb. My breads took a quantum leap, when I studied her methods and techniques. Her batard shaping examples in the videos are producing better batards than anything I’ve produced before.

 Check out images of her gorgeous and unusual breads at her Instagram page. You are sure to see breads that are absolute art. Some of her breads would be at home in a museum! https://www.instagram.com/fullproofbaking/

 

 She is very active on Instagram with 89,300 subscribers.

https://www.instagram.com/fullproofbaking

And YouTube shows 15,000 current subscribers

https://m.youtube.com/c/fullproofbaking

 

Check her work out... Every baker that participates in this Community Bake is destined to improve their skills. All skill levels are encouraged to participate. Community Bakes (CB) are our best effort to share a kitchen, in a cyber sense, with bakers, the world over. See links below for previous CBs.

 The following are links to our past Community Bakes

 I’m excited for our next Community Bake and she is too...

 

Danny

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alfanso

Tritordeum Ciabatta Experiments

Another summer gone, and another summer away from baking.  Prior to taking my bake break, I mentioned to my Barcelona friends that upon return, I would also return to complete some unfinished tritordeum business.  That being to use the grain in a ciabatta.  My recent go-to ciabatta formula is a modified version of Scott MeGee’s biga based dough.

Two runs, two types of tritordeum used.  Each was a mix of 50/50 AP/tritordeum, employing the Hamelman-like AP levain at 125% hydration.  With bassinage and 3% olive oil, the overall hydration of the total dough stands at 79%.  In both cases, the water and the levain are kept refrigerated until mix time, owing to the mixing friction of my old Kitchen Aid planetary mixer raising the temperature as it developed the dough.

As with other ciabatte formula mixes, as the speed of the mechanical mixer increases, I seek two distinct signs that the dough is sufficiently developed.  Not only do I listen for the slapping sound of the dough against the sides of the mixing bowl, but I also wait to see the dough being intermittently picked up off the bowl onto the dough hook and then re-deposited onto the bowl.  Once these two qualifications are met, the dough has gained sufficient strength, and the mix is over.

The first bake used the 'T150’ flour.  The result was a relatively handsome set of loaves although the crumb, while tasty, left a lot to be desired as far as open structure - especially for a ciabatta.  I will attribute this to three culprits.  1) Tritordeum is referred to as a low gluten flour in the online literature, 2) the ‘T150’ is akin to whole wheat flour, which will “consume” more of the hydration and also contribute to a tighter crumb, and 3) to my being away from the baking craft for a few months and therefore this served as my refresher bake.  I’ll pretty much dismiss the last point as I’ve stepped away before and found little to no degradation in my skill set.

The second bake was with the ‘T65’ tritordeum, and I had just enough of that flour to fashion two 500g loaves before my store of the grain was depleted.  On this run, one can see that the crumb is more open and fairly close to when I use 100% KA AP flour at ~11.7% protein.  I also decided to allow for a rest time of 20 minutes between the initial incorporation of water and the final mix.

In both cases the shaping was decent, but fell short of being as consistent as I would like.  The girth of the loaves also didn't equal what I’ve produced before with all AP flour - the barrel just wasn’t big enough in circumference.

My opinion is that while the ’T150’ version creates a pleasing and tasty bread, it would be hard pressed to pass muster as a ciabatta from the crumb alone and delivered a heavy and dense character to the bread.  I would not recommend this as a ciabatta bread.  It was quite tasty - just don’t sell it as a ciabatta to avoid disappointment.  

The ’T65’ version has more of the ciabatta open crumb characteristic with a crumb that is open enough for what one might expect from a ciabatta at the lower end of the hydration scale.  And I think that this version could very easily please most palates and not disappoint when presented as a ciabatta.

This was just furthering my experimentation and knowledge of the grain itself and what it potentially can and cannot do well.  And I feel that the 'T65' version holds up quite well to an AP flour with the added benefits and enhanced flavor profile of the tritordeum grain.

In each run all loaves were ~500g. 

'T150' Tritordeum

'T65' Tritordeum

And for comparison, here is what the all AP version of this bread looked like from two previous bakes...

 

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Baron d'Apcher

Whole wheat loaves tear while baking

I am having an issue where the whole wheat loaves are tearing and I believe it is a matter of gluten development/dough strength (over mixed or undermixed) rather than proofing since the loaves are well proofed, perhaps even past optimum proofing.  Even when I do 1 long score, the bread seems to tear rather than stretch during the baking.

I am using stone ground whole grain flour (Farm Ground Flour)

1500g high-extraction bread flour

1300g whole wheat bread flour

150g  rye

2500g water

660g  starter (100% hydration)

60g  salt

2min mix in standing mixer, 30 min autolyse, 4 min mix speed 2 with salt.  Dough temp is 76F.

Bulk ferment for 3 hours with folds the first 2 hours.  Preshape, bench rest 20 minutes and proof 1-1.5hrs at room temp on a couche before refrigerating overnight.  I bake straight from the fridge @450F for 40 minutes (first 20 minutes with steam).

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Brotokoll

I finally got my hands on an Ankarsrum. Fellow bakers, request your help

Hi everyone, 

I got the Ankarsrum assistent today. Request fellow bakers to help me understand how to use it to mix dough. Roller scraper is the best way or use the dough hook? I will be watching the videos available on YouTube, but people who have been there done that, your inputs would be greatly appreciated. I will be using it to make dough for Bread. Especially Sourdough. 

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MontBaybaker

Breakfast buns

 

On occasion I buy a couple of our grocery store’s “fresh-baked” energy bars (next to the donuts and fake bagels).  They’re a thick, dense, rectangle dark bun and OK toasted, but I’ve been planning to create my own.  Got kick-started yesterday after the dentist’s office had a cancellation for today for a needed procedure, after which I would be on soft foods for a bit.  Quickly browsed my bread books and decided on Hamelman’s 5-grain bread (p. 281) as a base.  I wanted a soft, high-protein, high-fiber multi-grain breakfast bun that would freeze well.  It’s a straight dough.  No time for a pate fermentee as my 2nd choice recipe called for, and I need to make a new starter.  This recipe has a much higher percentage of whole grains.  I made the recipe as written EXCEPT:

1)    Turned the soaker into a porridge so there were no hard bits.  Kept the 12.8 oz dry grain weight, but included BRM 10-grain cracked cereal to which I added oats, wheat bran & germ, flax meal, cornmeal, oat bran & oats.  When I can chew them, next time I'll add seeds & nuts.

2)   2)  Added 9 oz soaked & drained coarsely chopped mixed dried fruit (also some spices and orange zest). 

  3) 70% of the dough water was cottage cheese to add protein and moisture, 30% the fruit soaking water.

 4)  Instead of loaves I scaled buns at 113-114 gm (bagel-size).  Lightly flattened the rounds a couple of times during final proof.  They’re slightly thicker than bagels, hamburger bun width.  Yield:  23 113 gm plus 2 70-ish gm testers.  (I always end up with an odd amount of bagel dough because I add stuff, and make a small one as a proof tester).    

 5) Lowered the oven temp to 330F convection.  They were baked to 200 in about 16 min. with a soft, lightly golden crust.  I also didn’t want the added fruit, dairy and fruit water to brown too quickly.    

 The buns I medium-toasted last night and this morning stayed soft with no hard bits.  The chunks of soaked fruit stayed soft.  The crumb is tender.  Overall I’m pleased and will continue to play with this concept.   

 

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Rhody_Rye

Fig/Date & Walnut near-disaster

This was inspired by Rushuyama's beautiful Fig & Walnut multigrain posted a few years ago here. I scaled the ingredients to 70% of the original to make one larger loaf. I didn't have any spelt on hand (we love spelt and it disappears) so subbed in some Kamut, used freshly and finely ground durum instead of semolina, and I added chopped date along with the chopped figs, since I didn't have enough of the latter. The durum, Kamut, and Red Fife were all freshly ground.

This is my second attempt at this loaf; first version (a boule) came out flattened on top owing to a mishap when flipping the dough from banneton to parchment lined peel. I flipped it without first removing the shower-cap cover on the banneton. D'ough! Had to then unflip it, then remove the cap, and re-flip it. The top of the dough stuck to the plastic. [This was a new mistake for me; hopefully I won't make it again!]. The bread was tasty, however.

This time I remembered to remove the plastic cover. BUT....when I opened the oven to remove the pre-heated oblong clay baker, gobs of smoke *billowed* out, choking me and setting off the smoke alarms. My husband had made pizza earlier that evening and been a little too enthusiastic with the sauce and cheese, which had overflowed onto the racks and bottom of the oven. There was *no* way I could bake with the oven in that condition. Unfortunately, I had already flipped the dough onto parchment and scored it. Again, there was unflipping and reflipping of the dough back into, then out of, then back into the banneton as I pondered my options. Much swearing and cursing ensued, in my head anyway. It all seemed to be a disaster, one comprised of high quality, freshly ground ingredients.

Long story short, my husband, a nurse, recognized my distress, sprang into action, scraped off the smoking gunk, reheated the oven and baker, and 20 minutes later I was able to bake the loaf. The results are excellent.

Note: I proofed the loaf on the counter for 45 minutes, then put it into the fridge for another 5 or so hours. I then baked it at 475 F in a pre-heated, covered clay baker for 30 mins, and at 450 degrees for 12 mins w/cover off.

 

My version based on the original:

Ingredients

(in grams)     

Levain:

40

ripe starter

     
 

25

WW flour

     
 

25

bread flour

     
 

50

water

     
        

Final Dough:

131

bread flour

25%

    
 

131

AP

25%

    
 

105

durum

20%

    
 

78

red fife

15%

    
 

53

kamut

10%

    
 

26

rye

5%

    
 

380

water

73%

    
 

11

salt

2%

    
 

95

levain

18%

    
 

1009

      

w/add-ins

65

figs/dates

30%

    
 

90

toasted walnuts

     

Total weight

1164

      
        
        

Steps:

       

Day 1 (evening)

      

9:30 PM

Mix levain, let sit on counter until next AM. I used slightly less starter than

 
 

the original calls for, hoping to slow things down a bit.

  

Day 2

       

8:25 AM

mix flours, 340 g water (I held back 40 g to mix in levain & salt). Autolyse 1 hr.

 

9:30 AM

Add levain, mix & let sit 20 mins. Use held-back H2O

  

9:50 AM

add salt w/held-back H2O, mix 5-6 mins

   

9:56 AM

fold in nuts and figs/dates

    

10:00 AM

bulk 4 hours, w/3 stretch and folds

    

10:30 AM

S&F 1

      

11:00 AM

S&F 2

      

11:30 AM

S&F 3

      

2:00 PM

Preshape and bench rest 30 mins

    

2:30 PM

Shape and proof on counter for 45 mins

   

3:15 PM

Place in banneton, cover, and into refrigerator

   

8:10 PM

Preheat clay baker in oven

    

8:40 PM

take dough out of fridge, remove plastic (!), flip onto parchment lined peel, score

8:41 PM

Discover oven is billowing smoke. Panic.

   

8:43 PM

Potentially damage gluten structure and scoring by flipping dough back into banneton.

 

Panic, change mind, and reflip dough out of and back into banneton. Return to fridge.

8:44 PM

Despair. Open doors and windows to clear smoke and quiet alarms.

 

8:45 PM

Communicate dire situation to husband despite mute panic.

  

8:47 PM

Husband jumps into action and somehow fixes the situation in less than 20 minutes.

9:15 PM

Flip dough onto parchment. Re-score gently. Move to clay baker, bake @ 30 mins at 475

9:45 PM

Remove top, lower heat to 450 F.

    

9:57 PM

Remove loaf from oven, check temp, and leave to cool on rack overnight.

 

 

 

 

 

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DanAyo

Video Comparing Steam and No Steam

This is the first of a number of experiments that were recently conducted in order to visually compare the differences between 2 identical doughs baked at separate times in a home oven. One baked without any steam and the other baked with an external steam generator (pressure cooker). The Steam Generator will be published and documented in the very near future. By the way - I got the idea for the Steam Generator from Lance, aka Albacore. Here is his article. Lance tells me he got the original idea here.

For a better viewing experience, see THIS LINK.

- - - - - - - - - - - - New Test - - - - - - - - - - - - 
For this experiment Hamelman's Five-Grain Levain was used. With 34% Seeds and 25% Whole Grain, it seemed that this dough would put the External Steam Generator to the test.

For a better viewing experience, see THIS LINK.

Here is the writeup for the External Steam Generator.

Danny

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Tyler Dean

Vital Wheat Gluten and Sourdough

I'm not saying that gluten is good or that it is bad, I'm wondering if the sourdough fermentation breaks down added vital wheat gluten in a loaf like it does the existing gluten in the wheat. I would like to know more about the process of breaking down the proteins in grains with wild yeast, specifically gluten in wheat. I understand that the gluten is necessary for the proper structure and oven spring, but I have also come to understand that sourdough and other wild yeast does something to the gluten to make it more friendly for anyone who may have issues with gluten. Are we building it up while breaking it down?
So what's the deal guys?

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ibakebread

found small insects in my flour cabinet - What to do?

I found small insects (like 1/8" length sticks that move around) in the bottom of my flour cabinet. It did not look like it was able to fly. All of them (like 100 of them) were just moving around at the bottom of the cabinet. I through away all my open Flour and parts and grain. 

I also emptied the whole cabinet and sprayed it with Tilex (which is basically Clorox). I used to keep all my flours in the bag. From now on I will keep them in Seals containers. I hope this helps. Or I may just keep them in the freezer. 

 

I have a bunch of canned food (still unopened). I have some pasta that is still unopened. But I am not sure if there are any of thee insects on the outside surface. They are just too small to see with naked eye unless they are on very light color surface. 

 

What do you guys recommend?  thanks

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