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alfanso's picture
alfanso

Green Olive Levain

Back once more from roaming the earth and, within way less than a day home, my wife coaxed me into thinking about a next bake.  I left it to her imagination what would be next, but she deferred to me.  

In the past I'd baked the Hamelman black olive levain a few handful of times, particularly in response to our building's chief engineer's constant "whining" about when I'd bake it again and slip him a loaf.

A 65% hydration dough with 25% olives makes for a hearty if not particularly open crumb.  In keeping with my M.O. of mostly avoiding posting the same thing twice here on TFL, there was just enough tweak to qualify for this post.

Changes from the original included using 100% LL instead of his 125% LL, changed to AP flour from higher protein bread flour, substituted rye flour for WW, and used rather large quarter-sliced "spears" of large green Spanish Queen olives rather than smaller and diced Kalamta flecks. Otherwise I abided by the original formula.

These olives are quite salty, so they were scaled and quartered, placed into a water bath for a while to remove some salinity, and then toweled dry.

Abel Sierra posted somewhere that baguettes should be couched seam side up.  I did so with one of the two.  But then in my infinite wisdom, once loaded into the oven, I neglected to track which of the two loaves were which since I rotate loaves a few times during the bake.

I can't check what the crumb looks like on either the batard or the more open grine baguette as they were both delivered to the chief engineer and our office manager.  Intact! 

One does exhibit a more open grigne than the other, but I am clueless as to which was which.  The batard was couched seam side down.

 

At 65% hydration and weighed down by the mass of olives, the crumb doesn't exhibit a lot of openness.  The old saying is you can't eat the holes.

The formula normalized to 1000g 

Olive Levain with 100% AP Liquid Levain       
alfanso, based on Jeffrey Hamelman        
     Total Flour    
 Total Dough Weight (g) 1000 Prefermented18.00%   
 Total Formula   Levain  Final Dough 
 Ingredients%Grams %Grams IngredientsGrams
 Total Flour100.00%522.2 100.00%94.0 Final Flour428.2
 AP Flour90.00%470.0 100%94.0 AP Flour376.0
 Rye10.00%52.2 0%  Rye52.2
 Water65.00%339.4 100%94.0 Water245.4
 Salt1.50%7.8    Salt7.8
 Green Olives25.00%130.5    Green Olives130.5
 Starter3.60%18.8 20%18.8   
        Levain188.0
 Totals191.50%1000.0 220%206.8  1000.0
  • Mix water, flours and levain.  "autolyse" for 30 min.
  • Add salt.  Pinch and Fold.
  • 300 French Folds - 150 FFs, 5 min. rest, 150 FFs.  Into oiled container.
  • Bulk Ferment 2 hours at 78dF room temp.  3 Stretch and Folds on wetted counter at 40, 80 & 120 min.
  • Add olives on first S&F.
  • Retard a few hours.
  • Divide, pre-shape, rest 15 min., final shape and onto very lightly floured couche.  Back to retard for ~12-16 hours total refrigerated rest time.
  • Oven to 480dF for ~ 45-60 min.  Sylvia's Steaming Towel 15 min. prior to bake.
  • Loaves onto parchment covered oven peel, score, and load oven.
  • 2 cups near boiling water into lava rock pan.  Drop oven temp to 460dF.
  • 13 min w/ steam.  Release steam, rotate loaves.
  • Baguettes/long batards took 25 minutes, batard ~28.  3 more min. of oven venting.

1x600g batard, 2x425g long batards/baguettes. 

Recoil Rob's picture
Recoil Rob

Maybe interesting, maybe not...tip for Forkish method.

I'm an adherent of the Forkish No-Knead method, and have been having good results tweaking recipes. I most use poolish recipes (the amount of waste in making a Levain, yeesh!) and started substituting different flours for his 100%AP recipes.

I also was never comfortable flipping the loaf from the brotform into the Dutch oven. Usually deflated a bit and too hard to do any scoring.

Today I made a bake of 70%AP, 30% Manitoba ,with 100g of mixed grains and seeds added. After they were proofed I laid a piece of parchment over the brutform, put a small cutting board over that and gently flipped the whole thing. After removing the brutform I now had the loaf right side up on the parchment. I had plenty of time to score it and I lifted the loaf with the parchment and lowered it all down into into the hot DO.

I use Kirkland (Costco) parchment, the box says it's only good to 420˚ but I bake at 470-495˚  and it only lightly browned. I removed it when it was time to remove the lid and the results were good. Just a tip that may make things easier...

 

 

 

 

Janet Yang's picture
Janet Yang

Burned loaf with Dutch oven

In Ken Forkish’s book, Flour Water Salt Yeast, he bakes loaves in a preheated dutch oven.

I tried it using a Le Creuset dutch oven (enamel on cast iron), but the bread burned black on the bottom. So, I bought an oven thermometer but it says that my oven is accurate.

Next time, I lowered the temperature by 25° and shortened baking time. The bottom was not quite as black, but it still had to be cut off. Unfortunately, oven spring was not as good. 

Have you had success with this method? What brand of dutch oven?

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Benito

Sourdough recipes and adding diastatic malt

Hi guys, I’ve finally got my hands on some diastatic malt and I’d like to use some in my next bake of sourdough bread.  I’m wondering how much I should be adding to a recipe if the recipe doesn’t have diastatic malt in the ingredients?  I’m interested in seeing how it affects the fermentation times and the bread itself.

I’ve read that some people add about the same % as the salt but others much less, I’d love to know what you do if you use diastatic malt.

Benny

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not.a.crumb.left

GrAINZ Festival 2019 Online Streaming..

Hi All,

The GrAINZ Fesitval 2019 has taken place in Australia this month with some amazing international speakers and I wanted to share...The organisers have been very generous and made the 3 day event available on you Tube and there was also live streaming at the time for many talks and demos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x9-W8vG0mY  DAy 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf_L6vvS8VQ   Day 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kj-QXfCRTU  Day 3

Here is a brief summary of the ethos    https://www.instagram.com/p/B3WMS5KAQ02/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link   and also a web link included to support the event, if you wish to do so. I have no association or commercial interest whatsoever but just wanted to share this inspirational event with fellow bakers here....  Kat

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

if you speak the language it is better I'm sure.

Love these real artisan baking videos.  If the bread was 4# and tastes as good as Poilane's then he cold sell it for 9.6 Euros in Paris and $50 in Phoenix:-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B_7AFYmkYo&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1Nz9zmAcgRP_QbwvbmCyn70HERUM-6aw0F5JSBuhYgzgRZezIkIBrcGuE&app=desktop

idaveindy's picture
idaveindy

Hello, world. About me.

Favorite Baking Books:

Tartine Book No. 3, by Chad Robertson.

Whole Grain Breads, by Peter Reinhart.

The Bread Baker's Apprentice, by Reinhart.

Tartine Bread, by Chad Robertson.

Flour - Water - Salt - Yeast, by Ken Forkish.

Healthy Bread in Five Minutes a Day, by Hertzberg and Francois.

The New Healthy Bread in Five Minutes a Day, by Hertzberg and Francois.

Artisan Pizza and Flatbread in Five Minutes a Day, by Hertzberg and Francois.

The Tassajara Bread Book, by Edward Espe Brown.

Local Breads, by Daniel Leader.

Bread Alone, by Daniel Leader.

The Village Baker, by Joe Ortiz.

The Laurel's Kitchen Bread Book, by Laurel Robertson.

The Italian Baker, by Carol Field. 

Beard on Bread, by James Beard.

Location: Indiana 

Interests:  Near 100%, and at least 70%, whole grain loaves and flat-breads, mostly sourdough.

Baking Vessels: Lodge 3.2 qt cast iron combo cooker. Glass covered caserole.  Lodge 9" cast iron griddle. 8", 9",  10" cast iron pans. 5 qt enameled oval dutch oven.  Synthetic (cordierite) baking stone, 14-5/8", $10 from Aldi.  Lodge 14" cast iron pizza pan/griddle. Crofton 1.75 qt enameled cast iron sauce pan with lid, from Aldi.  Also bake in 1 qt and 2qt Pyrex/Anchor borosilicate measuring vessels.

Other Gear: Schule grain mill, hand crank, for cracking grain (does not make flour.) Wonder Junior Deluxe (hand operated), from WonderMill. Vitamix blender (regular blade, not the one for grains) for fine milling of pre-cracked grain.  Cheap $10 electric coffee/spice grinder for spices and small batches of flax, millet, amaranth, chia.

Top Two Grains: Prairie Gold (Hard White Spring) from Wheat Montana  (purchased thru CLNF), and Kamut (also from CLNF).

Favorite grains/flours: Prairie Gold, home-milled and store-bought flour. Kamut, home-milled. High extraction durum flour ("Fiber Wala"), from Sher Brar Mills, available at Indian/Pakistani stores. Bob's Red Mill Whole Wheat Pastry Flour. Spelt, home-milled and store-bought flour. Hard Red Spring Wheat, home-milled. Teff Flour, from Patel Brothers, or other Indian/Pakistani stores. Flax seeds. 

Favorite Suppliers: Country Life Natural Foods, www.clnf.org, group orders. Patel Brothers, and other local Indo/Pak stores. E&S Sales, Shipshewana, Indiana, has 50 pound bags and repacks of dozens of grains/flours. Group order (4000 pounds, minimum) direct from Wheat Montana.

 

sewin44's picture
sewin44

method of adding steam

I read somewhere about a method of adding steam where you place an empty pan on the floor of the oven while it is preheating, and when you load the bread on the stone on the top rack, you place a foil pan on the bottom rack with water in it and a small hole in the foil pan that allows water to slowly drip onto the hot pan beneath, creating steam in the oven.  However, I can't remember the particulars, and would like to know where it was that I read it.  I'm thinking probably someone here could help me!  Thanks. 

Lolakey's picture
Lolakey

Starter problems after refrigeration

I'm new to baking with sourdough, and I made my first starter three weeks ago (100% hydration, 50/50 rye and AP flour). I keep it in the fridge when I'm not baking, feeding it twice a week (or 2 times during 24h before baking). I notice that it rises to about double it's size in approx. 10 hours on the counter after feeding it, lots of bubbles, at which point i put it back in the fridge. A few hours later it's dropped considerably, almost back to where it was. Is it normal for this to happen so quickly in the fridge?

I don't know if it's my fridge or the starter itself, but I've had some trouble getting the two breads I've made with it so far to rise after the overnight cold fermentation. According to Reinhart in BBA, the dough should then rise to about double it's size within 4 hours on the counter. Mine was pretty much the same after 8 to 9 hours, no oven spring, flat (yet tasty) bread. My kitchen is fairly warm, about 75 to 77 °F. Perhaps my fridge is too cold for any fermentation to happen while in there, but should the yeast not "wake up" again during a final proof of 9 hours art room temp?? The "barm (Reinhart) doubles in size, the final dough shows some growth (although it takes a few hours longer than the recipe states). Then nothing. It seems like the real problem occurs after refrigerating...

I'm really confused now, thinking I might have to skip the cold fermentation altogether ?

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Tarus Baldeschi

New To the Forum- looking for Tried and tested Recipes

Hi there Fresh Loaf viewers

I am a semi experienced artisan bread maker. I am trying to source some new tried and proven recipes to pass on knowledge to my 9 year old student. 

i am currently looking for some recipes for

lavash

Fire Grilled flat bread

Ciabatta

burger buns 

 

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