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tlmcca

Anyone have data on heat transfer rate...

Anyone have data on heat transfer rate to a cast iron dutch oven during preheat?

I just did my first bake in my new Lodge 5 quart DO (pictures to come) and I'm wondering whether a full hour preheat at 500 degrees F is necessary. I don't have an infrared thermometer so I don't know how long it took for the DO to reach the target temp nor where it really topped out. 

If no one has the data I'll invest in an IR thermometer and run the numbers and share here.

Thanks,

Terry

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ifs201

3x Apple Porridge Sourdough w/ Raisins

This bread was a real experiment! I had some apples from the farmer's market that I wanted to use, hard apple cider, and apple YW. I had also wanted to make another bread using oat porridge so I decided to do it all taking inspiration from the idea of apple/raisin oatmeal. This bread uses 5 different flours, oat porridge, sourdough levain, YW levain, raisins, hard cider, and grated apple. I kept the hydration at 55% because I was worried that the dough would turn to soup with all of the liquid from the oats and apple. The oats were not cooked, but were soaked overnight in the hard cider. The bread is about 40% whole grain. 

 

Add InsWeight of Add in
Grated Apple300g
honey30g
oats soaker (hard cider)240
Oats144
raisins150g
Total 
 Flour added to final dough
 906
  
  
T8522%
Spelt15%
Whole Wheat7%
Rye calc3%
Bread flour calc53%

 

3:00 PMMix final levain and pour cider over oats     
7:00 AMAutolyse (flour + water + apples) + take levain out of fridge     
8:00 AMMix dough (levain, autolyse, oats), rest, mix and add salt and honey - first 100 slap and fold and 75 during second mix     
8:45 AMLetter fold on counter     
 Laminate on counter (raisins)     
 Coil fold 4x     
2:00 PMPreshape, 30min, shape, 30min, into fridge     
3:00 PMInto Fridge     
10:00 PMBake 27min at 485 and 22min and 450
Jay's picture
Jay

Not looking for the fabled 'open crumb' and having a problem finding recipes

I've spent a couple hours at least googling, looking for recipes or techniques for sourdough that AREN'T for the apparently holy grail of sourdough baking, the open crumb. It seems like a nice goal and all, but what I'm baking is sandwich bread for my family, 4-5 loaves a week, ideally, and what we want is bread with a nice, light crumb, but NO GAPING HOLES that let the condiments and filling drip all over the place.

I can't find anything. It's all about the open crumb all the time. Does anyone have a good recipe/technique that might get me that? Or pointers in the right direction?

Last year I was using Trevor Wilson's champlain sourdough, and it was *delicious* and everyone loved it, but... big holes. Since I started baking again this year right when the latest community bake started I've been using Kristen's recipe from that... just as many big holes. They're both delicious breads with great results, but not great for sandwiches. 

I'd appreciate any help or advice I can get on this. 

- Jay

 

 

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The Roadside Pi...

Wow I must be clairvoyant! My cuttle fish swirl!

What is up, dudes & dudetes? Yesterday I hit my all things N.Y. pizza distributer and replenished my dwindling supplies. Today, back on the horse! Ah and a bonus sweet ass pie too! Am I the pie King, or what! Another new technique explored, for the Roadside Pie King! Summitted for your approval the laminated pastry technique. Bicolor pastry, chocolate pudding pie.

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ibakebread

Killed my sourdough starter, need help

Hi everyone

After 2.5 years of taking care of my sourdough starter, I accidentally left my starter in the oven and turned it on to bake some lasagne. Sadly I recognized after 30 min. My starter is cooked fully :(

So I was wondering if someone has a dried starter they can send me in an envelope? I live in California. 

Thanks

Nar

 

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Miller

Sourdough feeding - did I leave it out too long?

I keep my 100% rye starter in the fridge until it's needed for baking and I'm trying to establish a weekly feeding session. Yesterday I fed my starter and left it outside the fridge for about 8 hours. When I checked it, it had doubled in size. I put it back in the fridge, but now I'm worried if I left it out too for too long.

How much time should one normally leave a fed starter outside before returning it to the fridge for storage?

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idaveindy

My Favorite Bread & Pizza authors.

Favorite bread + pizza cookbook authors.

These links to Amazon are coded to list the least expensive books first, so that you can tell at a glance when their Kindle editions are on sale, which is sometimes as low as $2 or $3.  They are also coded so that the webmaster of this web site gets a small commission, which does not increase the price.

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https://www.amazon.com/Chad-Robertson/e/B001JS68WQ?sort=price-asc-rank&tag=froglallabout-20

Tartine Bread. Tartine Book No. 3.

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https://www.amazon.com/Peter-Reinhart/e/B001H6W6I0?sort=price-asc-rank&tag=froglallabout-20

Whole Grain Breads. The Bread Baker's Apprentice. Artisan Breads Every Day.  Crust and Crumb. American Pie. Perfect Pan Pizza.

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https://www.amazon.com/Ken-Forkish/e/B008DI1O60?sort=price-asc-rank&tag=froglallabout-20

Flour, Water, Salt, Yeast. Elements of Pizza.

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https://www.amazon.com/Daniel-Leader/e/B000APS56G?sort=price-asc-rank&tag=froglallabout-20

Local Breads. Bread Alone.

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https://www.amazon.com/Vanessa-Kimbell/e/B004SYAJUK?sort=price-asc-rank&tag=froglallabout-20

The Sourdough School.

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https://www.amazon.com/Jeffrey-Hamelman/e/B001IGOBYQ?sort=price-asc-rank&tag=froglallabout-20

Bread.

If you have the first edition of Hamelman's Bread, get the errata sheet at:

http://mellowbakers.com/ErrataSheetFeb2011.pdf

or: http://mellowbakers.com/HB/index.php/topic,242.msg1129.html#msg1129

or: www.bit.ly/BreadErrata

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https://www.amazon.com/Carol-Field/e/B000APBNHY?sort=price-asc-rank&tag=froglallabout-20

The Italian Baker.

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https://www.amazon.com/Laurel-Robertson/e/B000APFLYU?sort=price-asc-rank&tag=froglallabout-20

The Laurel's Kitchen Bread Book: A Guide to Whole-Grain Breadmaking, 2011 Edition.

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https://www.amazon.com/Ed-Wood/e/B0056BCYQG?sort=price-asc-rank&tag=froglallabout-20

Classic Sourdoughs, revised.

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https://www.amazon.com/Tony-Gemignani/e/B00KB86456?sort=price-asc-rank&tag=froglallabout-20

The Pizza Bible.  Errata for early printings: https://web.archive.org/web/20191218172657/http://www.thepizzabible.com/errata

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https://www.amazon.com/Jim-Lahey/e/B0028OEIN6?sort=price-asc-rank&tag=froglallabout-20

My Bread. My Pizza. The Sullivan Street Bakery.

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https://www.amazon.com/Rose-Levy-Beranbaum/e/B000APEDSA?sort=price-asc-rank&tag=froglallabout-20

The Bread Bible. The Baking Bible. The Pie and Pastry Bible.

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https://www.amazon.com/Zoe-Francois/e/B001JSE6PM?sort=price-asc-rank&tag=froglallabout-20

The New Artisan Bread in 5 Minutes a Day. The New Healthy Bread in 5 Minutes a Day. Artisan Pizza and Flatbread in 5 Minutes a Day.

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https://www.amazon.com/Marc-Vetri/e/B001JRZG7K?sort=price-asc-rank&tag=froglallabout-20

Mastering Pizza. Mastering Bread.

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https://www.amazon.com/Richard-Bertinet/e/B002SIFTDK?sort=price-asc-rank&tag=froglallabout-20

Dough. Crust. Crumb. Errata for Crumb: https://www.thebertinetkitchen.com/2019/03/28/crumb-whoops-erratum/

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Martin Philip, of King Arthur Flour: https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Bread-Bakers-Journey-Recipes-ebook/dp/B06WP4LSR6?tag=froglallabout-20

Breaking Bread.

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Chris Bianco: https://www.amazon.com/Bianco-Pizza-Pasta-Other-Food/dp/B01LXK9S97?tag=froglallabout-20

Bianco: Pizza, Pasta, and Other Food I Like.

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Beth Hensperger:  http://www.amazon.com/Bread-Bible-300-Favorite-Recipes-ebook/dp/B00GUPBRUG?tag=froglallabout-20

The Bread Bible.

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Samuel Fromartz (mainly about baguettes):

https://www.amazon.com/Search-Perfect-Loaf-Bakers-Odyssey-ebook/dp/B00INIXPGW?tag=froglallabout-20

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Stanley Ginsberg: https://www.amazon.com/Stanley-Ginsberg/e/B005VTN4RG?sort=price-asc-rank&tag=froglallabout-20

The Rye Baker. Inside the Jewish Bakery (with co-author Norm Berg).

Errata for ITJB: https://www.stanleyginsbergbooks.com/ITJB/files/IJB_Errata.pdf

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George Greenstein: https://www.amazon.com/George-Greenstein/e/B001JRYRZ2?sort=price-asc-rank&tag=froglallabout-20

Secrets of a Jewish Baker.

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Mark Bittman: https://www.amazon.com/Mark-Bittman/e/B000APUJB0?sort=price-asc-rank&tag=froglallabout-20

Bittman Bread (no-knead WW). 

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lennyk

Croissant rollout woes

Hello,

 

any suggestions on dealing with dough which becomes very tight to roll out after the first turn ?

I am using weekend bakery croissant 3 day recipe, have tried others also.

Using AP, tried bread flour but was even harder to roll out.

I cannot understand how I also see sheeting machines roll out dough so easily.

It is quite frustrating as I have made many attempts and not getting any consistency, some tries are very good others very bad.

I have tried the usual recommendation of "let it rest in the fridge" for a variety of times, 10, 20,30,60 mins etc

Could it be that my hydration is too low ?

Should the dough be able to do some window pane prior to first turn ?

thanks,

L

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bronc

Mixing panettone dough at home

What is the best sequence of mixing a panettone dough in a home stand mixer (be it KitchenAid or Kenwood)? All methods start with the starter, flour, and water which you mix for 10-15 min until a smooth dough is formed but after the addition of the enriching ingredients after that is somewhat arbitrary. For the first dough,I've seen some which suggest first adding the sugar and yolks alternating between the two and waiting after each addition for the dough to come together and adding the butter after you have added the sugar and yolks. In others I've seen a recommendation for mixing the yolks and sugar together and adding them like that. A third source recommends first adding the sugar, then the butter, and the yolks in the end. 

The methods for the 2nd dough are similar but all start with the 1st dough and the flour which you knead for 10-15min..

What would be the most efficient way to mix the dough so that you don't risk under or overmixing it in a stand mixer? I've also seen some recipes which recommend that the dough temp shouldn't go above 26C when mixing but at the same time the dough ferments at 28-30*C so this doesn't make much sense?

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idaveindy

Found the sweet spot! Vit C for 100% whole grain, coarse, home-milled.

On my 6th loaf since joining TFL (7th overall "bake" since joining), I finally found the "sweet spot" for using home-milled, near 100% whole grain flour, and a sourdough starter (Carl's 1847 Oregon Trail).

It was 86.3% overall hydration, 14% percent prefermented flour (flour in the levain divided by overall flour), and 1/4 of a 500 mg vitamin C tablet.  (I could probably go lower on the vitamin C, but 1/4 tab was easy to do.)

That Vit C really made a difference, giving a good balance of extensibility to elasticity of the dough. And allowed that to occur at a lower hydration so that it did not take too much time to bake off the moisture.

I credit the Loafers in general, and DanAyo in particular, in encouraging me to precisely measure and record hydration, to use 14% prefermented flour, and to try out vitamin C.

Initial mix:

452 g Prairie Gold, HWSW, home-milled coarse. 

134 g Kamut khorasan wheat, home-milled coarse.   (586 g flour so far.) 

1/4 of a 500 mg vitamin C tablet. 

473 g water.

Autolyse, then Add 190 g Levain, at 100% hydration.  Levain is mish-mash of BRM dark rye, BRM WW pastry flour, PG, Kamut, white rice flour, and about 1 tsp each of BRM 1-to-1 GF flour, maltodextrin, dextrose, and dried malt extract.  I was running late on building up the starter into a fresh levain, so I added the sugars to hurry things along.

Flour so far:  586 + 95 = 681 g.

Water so far: 473 + 95 = 568 g.

Added/folded in 13.3 g salt (1.95%) semi-dissolved in 20 g water.

Final hydration: (568 + 20) / 681 = 86.3%

Final weight:  588 + 681 + 13 = 1282 g = 2.82 pounds

Full details: http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/61686/7th-tfl-bake-nov-6-2019

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Not a big oven spring, not an impressive bursting score line, but it finished baking in 74 minutes, ten minutes quicker than previous bakes, probably because of less water to cook off.

I'm still going to have to experiment with autolyse, bulk ferment, and final proof times, in order to get better oven spring.

More importantly, the crumb, while not Instagram-worthy, was still light  and airy enough, that a non-baker would not guess that it was home-milled near 100% whole-grain.

I've also concluded that Kamut doesn't mix well with hard white spring wheat, in terms of taste.  So I'm going to try mixing in some hard red spring wheat, instead of Kamut, for flavor.  And then try a separate loaf of 100% Kamut.  I do like Kamut for flat breads, which durum is known for.  Kamut is very very close to durum, genetically, and in baking characteristics.

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