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VRini

Proof Bread; Mesa, AZ

This is a "micro bakery" run out of a garage in Mesa, AZ.. All strictly legal due to a local "cottage" law.

Proof Bread

Their array of breads and pastries are sold to the public at a slew of open air markets in the Phoenix metro area. Very nice website is here.

However, for a real treat take a look at their youtube channel.  For me this was the motivation for this forum topic. In video after video, one of the owners, Jonathan Przybyl, relates his bakery journey in fascinating detail. Real nuts and bolts stuff including how he saved a ton of money rehabbing a junked dough mixer.

Jon w/ PB's dough mixer.

The folks here will also be pleased to know that forum favorite Trevor Wilson commented on the video about their English muffins. In short Trevor is highly impressed with what they're doing. He raved about them in his comment.

This video is a start to finish about their standard loaf. It's about an hour long and in my humble opinion well worth your time. In addition to the story about their dough mixer, Jon talks a bit about the flour blend they have custom made for them by Hayden Mills. All that and so much more.

Six different grains go into that flour blend. Some of them may include White Sonora, Durum and Red Fife. I've gleaned this from the videos and their website and of course I could be completely wrong. I think it would be fun to reverse engineer this. Who knows? Maybe Jon derived this proprietary blend by reading this forum. Wouldn't that be a kick?

I hope you enjoy the videos as much I did. Have any of you tried their bread? Please chime in. Thanks.

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idaveindy

D.O. alternative: 2 bread pans

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mjacob4154

Help!!!

So this is something I’ve experienced many times before and I have no idea what’s wrong!

 

I started out with a 45 minute autolyse of 365 g of water and 400 g AP flour and 100 g of whole wheat flour. I added 100 g of my active starter to the dough, let it rest 30 minutes and then added 13 g of salt. 

it rested about 3 hours on the counter at about 70 degrees Fahrenheit and then was placed into the refrigerator for about 18 hours at 40 degrees Fahrenheit.

when I took it out of the fridge, there was bubble action along the side (there could have been a lot more, but I didn’t want to wait too much longer). I shaped the dough using a pre-shape and a final shape method for a batard loaf. It then rested on the counter for 5 hours, at which point it passed the poke test. I poked into the dough in multiple locations about 3/4 an inch deep and it slowly sprung back leaving a slight indentation. 

I placed it into an oven preheated to 500 degrees Fahrenheit onto a pizza stone with a pan underneath to put water. I baked at this temperature for 20 minutes and then removed the pan of water. I then turned down the temperature to 450 degrees and baked for another 30 minutes. 

please help me! Most of my loaves turn out like this often having very large tunnels at the top of the loaf and very dense structure at the bottom.

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tiny_hamburglar

What the heck is happening??

Today, I've made my WORST LOAF EVER.

I'm a beginner. I've made 7 loaves so far. My loaves have been ok! Usually, I try to only tweak one variable at a time to keep track of the changes, but for my last two loaves I've tried a totally new method and I'm perplexed with these terribly ugly results.

Here's what I did:
- Fed my starter 60g: 60g: 60g (Fed it half bread flour and half whole wheat flour)
- The starter temperature was 80F. It grew to double the size and passed the float test after 4 hours.
- Autolyse for 4 hours - bread flour (320g) and water (200g). 


- Mixed Autolysed dough, 140 g starter, and 7g salt in a stand mixer on a low setting for 8 minutes and rested for 30 minutes
- Did 4 gentle stretch and folds at 45-minute intervals. 
- Bulk ferment time was a total of 4 hours. The dough was at about 78F-80F the whole time.
- Preshaped the dough into a ball, and noticed big bubbles under the skin. Rested 25 minutes
- Pushed down the dough trying to get those big bubbles out. Shaped the dough (folding bottom, sides, and top in). Final dough was only about 6" in diameter.


- Retarded the dough in the fridge and let it ferment for 16 hours. This is what it looked like after being in the fridge:


- Scored cold and baked straight from the fridge at 475F in a dutch oven. 20 minutes lid on, 15 minutes bread on rack (got burned on the bottom because it was too close to my baking steel).

 

I've never gotten this kind of crumb before, here's an example of one of my previous loaves.

This particular loaf:

100g floating starter mixed into water
300g 90F water
500g flour

- Waited 30 minutes to add 10g salt + another 25g water and mixed vigorously by hand until pretty smooth.
- Did 4 gentle turns over 3 hours 
- Let it proof overnight in a 76F microwave for 12 hours
- Baked at 500F with the lid on for 15 minutes
- Baked at 450F with the lid off for 20 minutes.

The interior was dense and a bit gummy. I thought maybe I wasn't creating enough gluten to get good oven spring. I thought perhaps I was over-proofing as well....?

Totally lost here. Help!

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The Roadside Pi...

Pizza prep Thursday

Pizza prep, the Bosch way!
Total dough weight 2469g, My girl, Gertraud, never skipped a beat!

Pizza prep

https://youtu.be/FwN6X1oMvMw

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kye

Help!! Under- or over-proofed? An open crumb journey

Hello!!!!

Am fairly new to the game, with my starter (Stiles) being about 9 months old 100% hydration, fed 90% bread and 10% rye. I've been getting quite decent crumb structures with my bakes but am on a quest to a more open/lacy crumb with little luck so i thought i'd turn to TFL for some help. 

I've been refreshing Stiles out of the fridge for about 2 days before i bake, twice daily. Usually fed at 1:3:3 and peaks at the 4-5 hour mark. The night before i bake, he's fed at 1:10:10 and peaks by the morning after a good 10 hours at 27C. He rises about x2-3 on average - very vigorous but small bubbly air pockets? 

All the loaves pictured are 20% inoculation, ~75% hydration and 2% salt, with ambient temp being at a steady 27C-30C (80-86F) with humidity ranging 70-80%. I'm doing a short 30 minute autolyse and about a 2-2.5 hour bulk (or until window pane test / sometimes i'd snip a small bit off and do a float test) because the dough seems to puff up quite significantly in this weather, then about an 18-hour retard @ 3-4C in the ref. Baked straight from the fridge in a preheated dutch oven at max temp (230C/450F) for 30 mins covered and ~20 mins uncovered/ until desired colour. 

I've tried maintaining bulk temp at 24C/75F and bulking for about 6-ish hours but it seems to yield a similar crumb.

At this point i'm not sure if i could extend the bulk longer bc the loaves were a little underproofed, or if i should have cut bulk/ reduce inoculation. 

Just a point to note, i personally don't think i've been manhandling the dough too excessively and neither am i being rough!! I've also tried shaping them with just enough tension to hold, but without messing with the crumb too much (but no no avail).. 

Any thoughts to help a girl out? 

(above 2 pics :  70% Bread flour (13.1% protein) + 20% AP (11% Protein) + 5% WW + 5% Rye ) 

(below : same formulation as above, one seeded with Pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds and quinoa - @ about 100g total including seeds on the crown) 

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Centerfire

Overnight retard for soudough

Hi everyone, 

When I retard my sourdough overnight in the fridge, I cover my dough in the proofing baskets with plastic shower caps. However, I recently saw a video on YouTube by Bake With Jack, and he suggests leaving them uncovered in the fridge to form a skin. 

Do you retard covered or uncovered? Would there be advantage to forming a skin on the outside of the dough before baking?

 

Thanks.

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loaflove

Cranberry , ginger citrus loaf.

Cranberry ginger

This is a Cranberry , ginger (candied ginger ) citrus sourdough from a bakery in Vancouver called the Mix.  Not sure if  there's also yeast in it.  Would anyone care to create or modify a recipe for this?  It looks like a tight crumb, so it might be a lower hydration dough?  

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DeeBaker

Starter

OK, so I took the slow starter back out of the fridge. Took it down to 42g, added 42g flour, 42g warm water, and set it in the oven to double. It doubled overnight. Pulled 26g out, fed it 42 and 42. This is what it looks like now. The full starter was light and airy. Once the oven cool down, I'll put it back in there to rise and feed it again.

I'm waiting for the discard to fall. I've never actually seen my starter fall, I just always looked for doubling.

 

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The Roadside Pi...

Danny boy, when, what is the next community bake?

Enquiring minds want to know!

 Additionally, I propose two, yes two not one, but two new forum headings, as follows.

1. Community bake ideas and information. I nominate, Danny boy as moderator.

2. Everything Baguettes. I nominate, Alfonso as moderator. 

That's all carry on....

Kind regards.

Will F.

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