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kenyabob

Buying local flour

I'll be receiving a mockmill here shortly, and so Ive been reaching out to find a local source of wheatberries. I found a farm 20m from me that is selling berries for a 1.50 a pound. When I asked about protein content, the response I received was:

> It is a soft wheat with a protein content of 13 1/2% - 15%.  It is an all purpose flour that works great in breads, especially sour dough breads.

13 to 15 seems a bit higher to me than all purpose, though I will be using this almost entirely for bread. Is there something to the home milling process that shifts these protein numbers? If I sift out the bran, will the protein content drop?

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YookOverDere

What is causing a dull crust?

I've come back for another try at sourdough during these times, and I've had decent success, but I can't achieve the shiny, crisp crusts that I see online. There is a dullness from the flour (combination of rice and whole wheat) used to dust the basket and the crust is just slightly thick. 

I'm primarily following the Tartine country loaf recipe, although after 4-5 stretch and folds, I let it sit to rise for about 2 hours before an overnight cold ferment. 

I'm baking straight out of the fridge on a pre-heated stone at 500, using this method for steam: http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/20162/oven-steaming-my-new-favorite-way

Also, when I remove steam at 20 min, I move the loaf to a middle rack for another 20-25 min to avoid the bottom burning.

From reading other posts, I suspect I might not be getting enough steam. If so, would spraying the top of the loaf before going in help? Or is this loaf actually closer than I think it is given there is decent color?

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Deb in Indiana

1980s sourdough recipe was easier than today's recipes

Back in the 80s and 90s, I had a sourdough starter and recipe that I got from my mother, who got it from a friend, who... 

I had young children at that time, and I baked three loaves and one something else (doughnuts, rolls, etc.) at least once a week.  It made great bread -- a sourdough tang and very slightly sweet, with a sturdy but light texture.  Great for sandwiches and toast and appreciated by kids and adults alike.  I never messed around much with the recipe and method -- it was everyday food and darn good as it was.

Now, this starter and recipe was much easier than all the sourdough recipes floating around now.  I am starting to care for a starter that someone gave me, and the guidance I find seems way more complicated than I remember the process to have been.

This is what I remember.  I kept the starter in a quart Ball jar, loosely covered, in the fridge.  The night before, I took it out, emptied the whole thing into a big bowl, and added some water, flour, and MAYBE some sugar.

The morning of, I poured about a cup back into the Ball jar, added flour, water, and, I am sure, also sugar.  Back to the fridge.

The remainder of the starter I used for the 3-4 loaves of bread, which had salt, flour, scalded milk, butter, I think, and maybe sugar.   I also added wheat germ and soy flour, but that was not in the original.  Bread was done by suppertime.

The stored starter did its thing without interference in the fridge and was ready to use in the next 5-10 days.  As I recall, when it came out of the fridge, it had some liquor on top, it had some undissolved sugar forming a layer above the rest of the starter, and was separated into layers.  Looked unappetizing.  Made delicious baked goods.  

So, the kids grew and I started working more, so I stopped baking every week.  I long ago lost the last of the saved-off starter to a freezer failure, and the recipe has disappeared, as has my mom, who gave it to me.  I have googled a lot of sourdough pages, and nothing sounds very much like this process.  Reading this text, it seems like I am hung up on the sugar and want to make a sweet bread.  That's not really it.

My question is: Does this simple process ring a bell with anyone?  No discarding any starter, no care and feeding until the night before, simple recipe for good country bread?  I am going to try to recreate this process without killing off the starter I was given, but if anyone has any advice to help, I would be grateful.

Thank you,

Deb

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algebread

Viewing missing images

You may have noticed that the images from some older posts on the forum are missing. In some cases this is because the images were hosted on an external site that is now gone, but in some others, the images are hosted on TFL and the only problem is that the URL where they are stored has changed.

I will use this post to record how to obtain missing images as I find them. Underlined text may vary or need to be filled in by you.

 

Missing image URL: http://www.thefreshloaf.com//files/images/name_of_image.jpg

Fix:

Each user of this site now has a unique user ID, which you need to add to the URL as follows:

http://www.thefreshloaf.com/files/user_id/name_of_image.jpg

To obtain the user's ID number, look at a recent post in which they have inserted an image and examine the URL of that image. Their user ID will appear in the URL of the image. It will be of the form "unumber". For example, the URL of the image in this post of mine is "http://www.thefreshloaf.com//files/u77129/2020_05_baguettes_practice_v.jpg", and the user ID is the italicized part of it.

Example in the wild:

This comment of Mini's contains two bad image links of this form.

Mini's user ID is u1142, so the corrected image URLs are http://www.thefreshloaf.com//files/u1142/Picture%205_0.png and http://www.thefreshloaf.com//files/u1142/Picture%204_0.png

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etw

Sourdough starter not passing float test, doubles in size quickly then collapses 5 hours after feeding...

Hi, I'm new here, trying to make a sourdough starter from scratch - it's now been now over 2 weeks with daily feedings, and I've been using the 1:1:1 ratio.  

After a feeding, it doubles in size, then collapses back to the same level it was at at the start within 5 hours.  

It smells like bread now, so I keep hoping it's ready to use to make bread, but it never passes the float test.

I have NEVER tested it when it was at it's height, but only after it collapses back to its initial level.  Is this my problem?  Is the starter only good to use for bread for a small window of time, and do I need to grab it and use it when it's nearing it's highest level?  

Or do I need to adjust my ratio?

I keep waiting about 24 hours before feeding again - but I am noticing that this starter I'm making seems to reach it's height, which looks like about 2X the initial height, around 4 hours after feeding it.  5 hours after feeding, it's collapsed back down again.  Should I be feeding every 12 hours to hurry this process along?  Or is it still processing and becoming more sourdough-ey for the rest of that time? I just feel like maybe I'm wasting time by waiting to feed until a full day has gone by if the sourdough is definitely not rising any more. 

Any help appreciated!

The photo is of the starter at its height, 4.5 hours after feeding.  I tried the float test just a few min after taking this photo.  When I stuck a spoon in to stir it up and scoop out a blob to drop in water, the starter collapsed back to just a couple millimeters above the starting level.  And the scoop of starter that I dropped into water sunk.

Sourdough starter at its height

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Victor

Flat Bread

Hello,

This is my second loaf of bread and I keep on having this problem: my loafs are flat.

I make my bread with 300g of strong flour, 75g of white flour, 41g whole grain flour, 83 grams of sourdough starter(made with half water and half whole-wheat flour. Starter is 2 weeks old), 291g of water and 8g of salt.

I believe my problem is with shaping, I probably don't build enough tension since I don't have good enough technique. Also the other problem could be my "baneton" (bowl covered with a kitchen towel).

If you have any idea of why my loafs look like this please share it, and also I would be very welcoming of any tips regarding the handling of the dough and the shaping process.

 

Thank you in advance!

 

Edit:

I am from Spain, the flour used was:

Strong flour-Harina de Fuerza Alcampo

White flour-Harina de Trigo Gallo

Whole grain-Haeina de grano entero de trigo, Integral, con las 3 partes del trigo*,Gallo.

 

As for the process itself, timing and temperatures:

To start, the sourdough starter had very changing temperatures since this last week has been much warmer. During the first week(when I made my first loaf and got a pretty similar result) I kept the starter at around 22°C and fed it twice a day, during the second week I wanted to try out making the sourdough less integral and I started adding half white flour and half whole-wheat, this time it didn't rise as much and didn't have as much bubbles. I also skipped a few feedings(maybe I fed it once every two days) so that might be the reason.

For the next process, just to avoid talking about temperatures over and over, the temperatures at which I was working(handling the dough) was maybe 23°C, all waiting time(between stretches and also bulk rise) was made at around 25/26°C. I will specify temperatures when this ones are not followed. Also, for the prior loaf you can expect the same temperatures minus 3 degrees, so 20 and 22/23.

The day before I baked I fed my starter at 13:00, and waited until around 20:00 for it to grow and be active(as I said, it didn't rise as much as the starter from last week, this time it only rose about 20% while the prior week it rose 100% maybe a bit more). I added the flours, the water, and the sourdough starter, and I mixed until all four was wet. (Just to make it clearer and to give and example of the temperatures explained above, this flour mixing was done at 23°C)

After that I let it rest for 1h (and again, to give an example of what I earlier called "resting periods", this was done at 25/26°C). After letting it rest, I added the salt by almost poking the dough until I didn't feel the salt anymore. Then I did a set of stretch and folds(I couldn't tell you how many times, maybe 6 or 7, I don't think I went around it twice) by grabbing one side, stretching it and dropping it towards the opposite side of the bowl, then I let it rest for 1h. 

I grabbed the dough from below,letting gravity stretch it and folded it into itself(like a soft folding technique for what I heard). I did that 4 times and then let it rest for another hour. 

After the resting period I repeated the process again and let it bulk rise for 2 hours. As a quick summary, so far I have autolyse, did 1 normal stretch and fold set and other 2 softer folds (it was getting tense anyways), and then the bulk rise.

After the bulk rise I but the dough on a floured surface and stretched it to the sides making a rectangle, grabbed the left side and pull it towards the middle, did the same with the right side. Up side to de middle and bottom side to the highest side, then I let her rest in that same place, so at around 23°C or maybe lower by now, let's say 22°C for 15min, then I repeat the process and place it into my bowl with a kitchen towel and more flour. I place the bowl in a plastic bag and then to the fridge(3°C) overnight, for 8 hours.

After that I took it out of the fridge and put it in a place with direct sunlight at around 25°C, but the light very surely made it warmer. I did that for 1h and 30min until I did a "dent test" and it springed back somewhat slowly but left a dent. 

After that placed the dough in a stainless steel pot that had been in the oven preheating for 10min to until it reached a temperature of 300°C(one side of the oven heating is not working, the top left side of the heating bars to me more precise so I am not sure that the temperature reached in the oven is the temperature that I set the over to be at).I attempted scoring it with out burning myself(complete failure at both of the tasks, I couldn't score it with the knife and I burned my finger :( ) put the lid on and into the oven. I baked it with the lid on for 30min, then without the lid at 250°C for another 20min.

After taking it out and going to check on the bottom I saw it was still moist, towards the center of the boule so I placed it upside down and left it in the oven, while the oven cooled down (with the oven door closed).

I then took it out, waited for the bread to cool down and rate it, and then remembered about taking the picture I shared with you earlier :).

 

I hope I explained everything well enough, if you have any doubts or need clarification about anything feel free to ask.

One thing I want to point out, and the same happened last time, is that when I pulled the dough out of the bowl into the pot I baked it in, it got stuck to the kitchen towel, not a lot, it was just a matter of pulling it for it to come out but it happened because the towel was wet at the bottom, I suppose because my bread had too much water content and it absorbed the flour I put in the towel. The videos I saw with my recipe the dough came it much drier and much more tense, that's why I think I might have a problem with one of the flours and very probably with my handling of the dough (and maybe not coating the bottom of the towel with enough flour, although I did flour it quite a lot)

Again, thank you!

 

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DanAyo

Banneton Substitutions

Teresa Greenway just posted a nice video on Banneton Substitutions.

Use THIS LINK for best viewing.

Check out her videos. They are very useful. This lady is a prominent baker that shares from experience.
https://www.youtube.com/user/NorthwestSourdough

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dermdoc

Opinions on baking stone vs baking steel

Was wondering if a bunch of you would please weight in on whether I should buy a baking stone or baking steel for baking all sorts of bread and pizza. Cost is not a factor, just want what is best. Thanks!

 

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seasidejess

Levains, yeast waters, and mothers, oh my!

The lineup from left to right:

1:2:2 levain of ryestarter & wheatflour & water, sitting on top of a  1:2:2 starter refresh of ryestarter & ryeflour & water

1:1 levain build of wheatberry-honey yeast water & wheatflour, sitting on top of the wheatberry-honey yeast water

1:1 levain build of apple yeast water & wheatflour  sitting on top of the apple yeast water

All flours are freshly milled 100% whole grain.

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