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Alan.H

Advice on using Ankarsrum please.

I have been baking bread for many years and still enjoy the whole process, but I have now reached a time when doing it all by hand, as I prefer, is becoming physically rather painful. I have a KA mixer but find that it is not much help, needing constant attention to stop the dough climbing the dough hook and always straining and threatening to walk off the worktop.

So I have been looking at the Ankarsrum which many Fresh Loaf members appear to own and are thoroughly pleased with. Judging by what I have found by searching this site and watching some YouTube videos, the Ankarsrum should be capable of managing a large part of the process with just a little input from me, from mixing the ingredients, through autolyse and bulk fermentation all in the one bowl, right up to the point of dividing the dough etc..........or am I kidding myself?

So my questions are how do experienced Ankarsrum owners use the machine? Do you fully knead the dough and bulk ferment in the machine and not do stretch and folds, or are s & f's still part of the routine (which I am quite happy to carry on doing}?

I have no intention of giving up baking, I just wish to find a way to lighten the load a little and I am hoping that your experience can help me make the decision whether to invest in an Ankarsrum.

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Sistersbake

Sourdough: Hard crust, sticky tacky insides after baked!

Hi community, i am new to this forum but have been reading a lot of advice from fellow bakers here while my sister and I are trying out our very first sourdough.. We have gotten to "Charlie" (we name our sourdoughs alphabetically hoping to get it right before the alphabet "Z"), but our sourdoughs were never right. Our problem was with the tacky, rubbery, sticky insides of the baked bread (I could press a piece of the inside  between my fingers and it would stick on without falling) no matter how long we bake it for (Charlie was baked for 40 mins in the cast iron and 20 mins on a rack, and the picture attached shows the insides). We would like to share the recipe we used here, hopefully to get some help from the experienced bakers around! Thank you in advance!

150g bread flour, 150g all-purpose, 90g whole wheat flour with 350g water (slightly warmer than room temperature by the touch), with 90g of starter and 9g of salt. 

Steps:

Autolyse for an hour before adding the starter (rest 30m) and salt (rest 15m) all by hand using the folding and pinching method. We performed up to 6 sets of stretch and fold during the first two hours of fermentation before leaving it to bulk ferment for the next two hours. Even though our dough doubled in size at the end of four hours with visible strength around the rounded sides, there weren't bubbles on the surface of the dough. Nonetheless we ended the bulk fermentation when the dough doubled in size (at the end of two hours after the last stretch and fold), and performed the pre shaping and final shaping. Throughout the shaping, the dough felt aerated and light and bouncy and it was easy to handle after dipping our hands in water. We retarded the dough for 16 hours. We preheated the oven (which was constrained at 480F) for an hour, and baked Charlie for 40 mins (tried 25 mins for Betty) in the cast iron, and 20 mins on the rack. The exterior was perfectly brown. Sliced through the bread in an hour and it left sticky residue on the knife and the insides was tacky. In our previous attempts, we thought it was undercooked, hence the longer baking time for Charlie  this time round. But we are utterly puzzled by the outcome again. Would really appreciate some pointers, thank you in advance!!

 

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Hawk-As-Weapon

Need some troubleshooting advice

So I've been noticing that the area under where I'm scoring my loaves has a much tighter crumb than the rest. I recently started baking in a deck oven. Here's my settings for my oven. It's a Revent 649. Preheated to 450°, all knobs turned to 4(highest setting.) Loaves in and steam for 10 seconds every few minutes for 10 minutes. Then the top heat knobs turned down to 3. 10 more minutes then I vent the steam. And continue for another 10-15 minutes until I like the colour. Any ideas? This is my first time for almost 7 years using a deck oven.

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tara_twinkle

Troubleshooting 100% whole wheat/fresh milled sourdough

Hello wise bakers! I'm looking for advice and feedback on my loaf bellow. I am determined to bake with 100% whole grains milled at home. I'm struggling to get an open crumb and good oven spring, but I know its possible from seeing loaves made by Josey; and George Q and David Snyder on this site! 

I used Joey Baker Bread's formula: 



Total Dough

1 loaf

2 loaves

4 loaves

 

Ingredient

Wt (g)

Bakers' %

Whole Wheat flour

508

1016

2032

100

Water

423

846

1692

83

Salt

11

21

42

2.1

Total

942

1883

3766

185.1

 

Levain

1 loaf

2 loaves

4 loaves

 

Ingredient

Wt (g)

Bakers' %

Whole Wheat flour

50

100

200

100

Water (cool)

60

120

240

120

Sourdough starter

6

12

24

12

Total

116

232

464

232

I used Anita's Hard Red Wheat kernals, homeground. My starter was a 100% rye, 100% hydration starter, quite young and very active at the time of mixing the preferment (while the original starter was all rye, my preferment used wheat). 

My preferment sat at room temp for 14.5 hours. 

I only did a 20 minute autolyse, and incorporated the starter from the beginning. I've read mixed things about autolysing with fresh milled grains. Would a longer autolyse help?

I completed 3 stretch and folds over 2.25 hours.

My final proof was for 3 hours. 

 

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Could I have overproofed it? I find the poke test difficult with whole grain doughs. Any advice for knowing when proofing is complete? 

Do I need to increase the hydration? I tried once more with a much higher hydration (102%) and the loaf was very dense, concave, and gummy. 

Thank you! You inspire me to keep trying. 

 

 

 

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jason.e.bakes

How to calculate levain percentage

Hello all,

I've been diving deeper into baker's math and sourdough bread, and I have a question about how to calculate levain percentage. I've been reading Flour, Water, Salt, and Yeast by Ken Forkish as well as The Bread Baker's Apprentice by Peter Reinhart, and I've noticed that there are different ways to calculate baker's percentages. These different methods, as I understand them, then lead to different ways to calculate the levain percentage. So, I wanted to check in with other breadheads more experienced than I - how do you calculate your levain percentage?

 

1)     Total levain weight divided by the flour weight of the final dough mix/autolyse;

 

2)     Total levain weight divided by the TOTAL flour used in the recipe, including the flour in the levain itself, or

 

3)     Levain flour divided by TOTAL flour used in the recipe.

 

For example, if the recipe is as follows:

80% bread flour

20% whole wheat

78% hydration

2% salt

20% levain

 

then the levain could be different amounts according to which method is used. Is the levain 20% of (bread flour + the whole wheat flour) or is the levain 20% of (bread flour + whole wheat flour + the flour used in the levain itself). I see bakers include their levain percentage all the time, but I’m just not sure which method they’re using to calculate it. My gut tells me that they are treating the levain percentage as the total levain weight divided by the flour used in the final dough mix/autolyse, but I wanted to check with others to be sure. Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

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moccy20

Is my instant yeast still good?

Hello,

I'm a new baker, just started 2 weeks ago. I have 2 different brand of instant yeast:

Yeast A: bought in sealed pack of 7gr, the remaining is kept in freezer. It has light sourish/pungent smell, almost fruity. Expiry date is May 2022.

Yeast B: bought from a wholesale store. In the store, the yeast is kept on a large, clear airtight glass jar. I got a small amount in a small clear jar, stored at room temperature (range 25-29 deg C). Smells bready, not as sourish as Yeast A.

I used Yeast A on the early bakes. I like the smell of Yeast B, so I've been baking with it for 6 batches or so. Both yeasts gave good rise during bulk fermentation and proofing, but it has poor oven spring and usually less texture. It might be due to multiple factors (kneading, room temperature, oven temperature), but I also had suspicion on the yeast.

I tested both yeasts using the same measurement: 50ml watear at 40 deg C, 5gr sugar, 1gr yeast.

Yeast B has very, very minimum bubble despite of good rise during proofing.

Yeast A, both from the newly opened sachet or the leftover from freezer, yield similar froth. It's far different from what I saw on the internet where the instant yeast can double in volume.

Is the result from the yeast test normal, given the quantity of water/sugar/yeast? Can different brand of instant yeast contribute to different result, e.g. due to different quality of the yeast?

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chmoss

Looking for South African Brown Bread Recipe from the 1970s

I left South Africa in the 1970s and still long for what we called "Brown Bread" which was available from every "Corner Cafe" AKA Convenient Store. It would be baked by a local commercial bakery and often arrived at the store still warm. It was never wrapped in plastic like modern USA mass market loaves of bread. In no way could it be called artisan. It was the cheapest bread available. I believe it was subsidized bt the government. It was delicious. By the time we arrived home from it would be half consumed.

I have not yet found a recipe that tastes authentic. The seed bread recipes than Google offers me are not the same as my memory - but I mat be wrong.

The local bakery was called Gallaghers, as I remember.

I have found, and tried, the two recipes below. They are sort of close, but not quite there.

Any ideas from someone who remembers the taste?

Apologies if this request does not pass the "Artisan" bar. I ask as an Amateur Baker. 

 

525g Whole Wheat Flour* 1 tbsp easy bake yeast 11g 1/2 tsp Salt 2 tsp Maple Syrup 2 tsp oil 450 - 500ml warm water https://youtu.be/YaCES1Bg7II Put all ingredients in bowl480g of flourKeep yeast away from saltAdd warm water a bit at a timeMix with wooden spoonQuite a wet doughPut in tin to rise covered 20-25 minutes until doubled in size200C (390F) 30-40 minutesHard crustHollow bottom sound  OR From the Snowflake website Brown breadPreparation Time: 35 - 50 minutesCook Time: 35 - 45 minutesServes: Serves 6 - 8There is nothing better than home-made bread, and it's never been easier!Ingredients1kg Snowflake brown bread flour 10ml salt30ml butter or margarine10ml sugar10g (1 sachet) instant dry yeast 650ml lukewarm water Sift flour and salt together. Rub in butter with fingertips until mixture resembles fine breadcrumbs. Add sugar, mix and add yeast. Gradually add enough lukewarm water to mix to a soft dough. Turn out dough onto a lightly floured surface and knead for 5 - 10 minutes, or until dough is smooth and elastic. Place dough in a large, lightly oiled bowl, cover and leave to rise in a warm place for about 20 minutes, or until doubled in size. Knock down dough on a lightly floured surface and knead again until smooth. Divide dough in half. Shape each piece into a loaf and place into two greased 22.5 cm loaf pans. Cover and leave to rise in a warm place for 30 - 40 minutes, or until doubled in size.Brush top with water and bake in a preheated oven at 200 °C for about 35 minutes, until golden. Leave in pan for a few minutes before turning out into a wire rack to cool.
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Oellian

Cloth liner in banneton; when and why?

I just ordered a few bannetons, and got a cloth liner for one of them, not knowing if that were necessary or not.

When do you use one, and why?

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swedishflish

Oven Temperature for Baking

Is the convection setting good at 450F for making sourdough? Or is it better to keep it on bake at 500F?

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StephanieB

Whole Grain Sourdough Coffee Cake

I'm not sure where exactly to place this: the crumb of this is definitely cake like, not bready so maybe the more sweets/pastry forums? But it is a sourdough recipe, and I don't mean toss some old discard starter but otherwise treat like a quick bread, so sourdough/starters? I don't want to post it as a recipe, because I already wrote up the recipe elsewhere and don't want to do it again. The recipe link has a decent amount of writing, so I don't want to make a new blog post either. After much deliberation, I'm trying the whole grain forum: this is a cake meant for whole grain, ideally fresh milled flours, and I'd just like to share the recipe if there's any interest.

So if anyone is interested, check out my recipe for a sourdough, whole grain coffee cake. This recipe is labor of love, there are easier ways to make a cake! But I really love the flavor: you make a preferment to get a fermented flavor as you would for bread, but then finish it off like a cake, blending in eggs and butter to disrupt the gluten to get a cake crumb. A small amount of osmotolerant yeast is added because I wasn't sure how the sourdough would handle all that sugar and butter, making a microbe-leavened cake. Again, this recipe isn't winning any awards for instant gratification, but I thought I'd share it here anyway: food52.com/recipes/81697-cinnamon-swirl-whole-grain-sourdough-coffee-cake

If this catches the attention of any moderators who have better suggestions of how to file this post, please let me know. 

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