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Sourdough_Hobby

Deck Oven Problems, Steam?

Hi Everyone, new to this site but been baking for a while and was planning on opening a small neighbourhood bake shop early this year. Plans got delayed a bit but getting to play around with the new oven I though would be a fun experience. I currently use my home oven and get decent loaves without issues.

Got a large 3 pan deck oven for the shop, but unfortunately doesn't have steam injection, only a stone floor. I figured I would be able to just steam with a garden sprayer.  So far I have tried basically everything I can think of to add steam, and just can't seem to get enough to get the spring that I get in the home oven.

Todays attempt was baked at 440f, top and bottom, I have experiment going as long as 320f, but still not getting the spring I want. Used the sprayer to add steam at loading, 1mins and 5mins, have tried variations on this and no massive changes.

The best of the three was the bottom/left one, but the ends were very flat. Seems to be just lucky that I burst in the middle. The crumb on all three didn’t really have big problems, the top was denser due to not opening, the bread made for decent eating.   

Is my only option at the moment to make tin foil hat for each loaf, or is there another problem that I am missing by assuming it’s just the steam. I can’t really think of anything else that covering the loaves.    

Thanks!

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Mark Shepard

Smart Sourdough - book testers needed

Hi. I'm new to this forum as an active participant, but some of you may know me as the author of "Simple Sourdough," a booklet I wrote decades ago that's been popular on Amazon for about fifteen years.

For the past few years, I've been working on a new book, "Smart Sourdough," that presents a new and radically different approach to making sourdough. By working with high temperatures and short feeding cycles, I'm able to make 100% naturally fermented sourdough within 24 hours WITHOUT STARTER. That means doing away with maintenance feedings, discards, and everything related. In other words, my sourdough is almost as quick and simple to make as yogurt.

My approach is similar to what's known as "Type II sourdough," but adapted for the home. As with Type II, I focus solely on nurturing lactic acid bacteria in the dough, then just add a bit of baker's yeast at the end for the rise. My reasoning is that the special benefits of sourdough come almost entirely from the bacteria -- they are, after all, what put the "sour" in "sourdough"-- so the source of yeast is really not a concern. (And as researchers have shown, most bakers today wind up with baker's yeast in their starters anyway!)

Keeping sourdough at just the right temperature can be tricky, but I've found that, with some finagling, it can be done with a variety of kitchen devices. My book includes recommended setups and settings for the Brød & Taylor proofer, an Instant Pot used as a slow cooker, and a sous vide cooker. It also gives tips on adapting other devices you might have.

Can I really get much souring in 24 hours? Yes. Before being made into a loaf, my sponge of wheat, water, and salt reaches a pH of about 4.5. The taste can range anywhere from a "sweet" sourdough to mildly sour -- but it's always delicious! Since I add minimal yeast to the loaf -- normally just 1/8 teaspoon -- there is no alcohol taste to overwhelm the subtle sourdough flavors.

I've finished a working draft of the book (minus the photos), and I'm looking for bakers of all experience levels to read it, try the method, and provide comments. My idea is to use this thread for feedback and discussion. (So, please make sure you can find it again!)

This is open to all Fresh Loaf members. All I ask is that you do NOT share the draft with anyone else, and that you do NOT share my methods or your results outside this forum until the book is ready to order -- hopefully in January.

If you agree, please download the draft here:

http://www.markshep.com/private/SmartSourdough.pdf

Mark

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BiscuitsNGravy

Trying to recreate Sperlonga from Whole foods at home

Hi, I am a new bread baker and cooking enthusiast trying to learn more. In particular I am interested in trying to recreate the Sperlonga loaf from Whole Foods! As one blogger describes it:
" It's basically Ciabatta but heavier, longer, more doughy – all in a good way."
you can see pics here:
http://hummusboy.blogspot.com/2010/10/wholefoods-bargain-shocker.html

So after reading a previous thread, they had suggested a ciabatta type recipe with the following criteria:
"There is a distinct malty sweetness that comes from about 1.25% non-diastatic malt. Low percentage of poolish (10-15% of the flour). Overall hydration about 77-80%. "
You can find those details here:
http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/12568/sperlonga#comment-448518

So my challenge is to come up with a modified ciabatta recipe to produce a loaf similar to sperlonga.
Here's my attempt so far:

SperlongaBakers %
  
CiabattaTarget
Hydration80%
Malt Powder1.50%
Poolish Flour Weight10.00%
Poolish Hydration100%
Salt2.50%
Yeast.5-.6%


And coming up with a recipe for two loaves looks something like this:

Total Flour grams1000
Total Water grams800
Malt15.0
Poolish Flour100
Poolish Water100.
Salt25.0
Poolish Yeast tsp0.5
  
dough flour900
dough water700
Malt Tsp5.0
Salt Tsp4.2
Dough Yeast Tsp1.1

I used the following assumptions to turn bakers % into tsp

Malt Grams/Tsp3
Kosher Salt G/Tsp6
Instant yeast gm/tsp3.2

 

I imagine the process being:
1-poolish, room temp 4 hours. overnight in fridge

2-dough, mix in kitchenaid, rise for 2-4 hours, proof 1-2 hours.

3-oven 20-30 min

I tried to standardize around 1kg total bread flour.
Im flexible on that and all other criteria.
Wasnt really sure about yeast % and how that would relate exactly to rising and proofing times
Would welcome feedback, suggestions and so forth before I try my first batch!
TY!

 

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Flyingsolo

My Starter seems to have crashed!

I've had great success with my starter that's a few months old. I've been using a small amount of starter in a jar and would mix 1:5:5 into it the night before to create a levain (50/50 wh. Wheat/White flour) of ~200 ml for use the morning after.

But last night, I used 50/50 rye/white flour, and got no appreciable rise or volume increase overnight. It looks like a batter, as if I were creating a new starter from scratch again. Very disappointing and I'm not sure what happened or what to do. I may just let it rest overnight a second night. I may also take a small amount off and feed it 1:3:3, creating an offshoot.

Thoughts on what happened? Thanks.

metropical's picture
metropical

blue starter

both my ww and rye starters grew a thick blue cover.  I tossed them.

what would cause that?  I'm pretty careful with cleanliness.

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riverbread

Mostly Whole Wheat, Rye, Spelt Sourdough

Hi All - wanted to share a recent loaf in my quest for a open crumb but whole wheat loaf with decent rise... which so far is still eluding me. I’m new overall to sourdough (a classic quarantine baker if you will) but have been working with WW for health and flavor benefits mostly. 

Still struggling with a few areas, namely judging bulk fermentation, and handling during shaping though. Any feedback is always appreciated!

Recipe: 

240g Red Fife Whole Wheat Flour (Anson Mills) - 68%

40g Whole Wheat Spelt Flour - 11%

45g All Purpose - 13%

25g Rye - 7%

70g Mature Levain - 20%

7g Salt - 2%

288g H2O - ~82% Hydration

Baking

  1. Autolyse for 3 hours (flour and 278g of water)
  2. Mixed Levain and Salt, then kneaded using Rubaud method for about 5 minutes
  3. After 30 minutes rest, did 4 sets of coil folds every 30 minutes for first 2.5 hours of bulk fermentation, then let rest approximately 3 hours (final dough temp was around 75F) 
  4. Pre shape then bench rest for 15 minutes 
  5. 12 hour cold proof, baked from fridge (covered @ 450F for 20 minutes, uncovered @ 425F for 25 minutes) 

  Results were okay as you can see, not quite as good of a bloom as I’d hope and also one big hole tunneling through, but may keep trying with this formula... 

 

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BreadBrother

One base starter vs. many

Hello, I have one starter that I turn into various leavens by adding different flours according to recipes, but I also know of bakers who maintain multiple starters (1 whole wheat, 1 bread flour, 1 rye, etc.). Most home bakers have limited room in the fridge, and I'm guessing 1 base starter is most common, but I'm wondering what the trade-offs are here. I love my mother... do I need more than one? Thanks! 

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Gauchogalese

Using a Dough Slashing Lame

 MY first post - be gentle!
I’ve been trialling different types of sourdough bread and the common fault with all has been the lack of final rise. I am now using a razor blade slashing lame, but when I use it the blade does not cut cleanly, it almost sticks and tears the dough. Consequently, as you can see from the image the slash are has not opened up sufficiently to allow the dough to spread and rise in the dutch oven. Any ideasLatest loaf

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Eliott

FWSY overnight country blonde : shaping or proofing problem ?

Hi,

The loaf seems a bit flat compared to previous ones :

1. Does it seem to come from shaping or proofing problem here ?

Bulk rise lasted 7 hours (it's about 79°F-26°C and I used 14% levain instead of 12%), during which dough nearly tripled, or perheaps x2,5. It had 4 folds during the first hour. I let it proof only 45mn (It always seems to pass the finger dent test as soon as bulk rise is finished... So I don't dare proofing too much..)

2. According to crumb, is proofing too short here ?

Thanks for your feedback !

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breadfriend

Hi Fresh Loaf! Looking for feedback on "declarative" sourdough calculator

Hi members of the fresh loaf,

I wanted a way to write down what percentages of flours I want in my sourdough bread, and it'd just calculate the flour amounts I needed, so I created a little calculator for it. :-)

I hope it's OK that I share it with you.

Link: https://breadfriend.com/

Let me know what you think, it fits my workflow very well right now

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