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Hotbake

Leftover mashed potato sourdough

This was a new experiment, I didn't expect it to work this well and this bread is stupidly soft and stayed soft even when in the fridge.

I used about 580g leftover mashed potatoes, with milk and butter already in it, for TWO loaves.

Then I mixed up 1570g of dough(flour water starter) @ around 71% hydration, mixed in the salt and herb and mashed potatoes after 1.5 hr of faux autolyse,

looked like a disaster at the beginning, but after 10mins of mixing and slapping in the bowl it came together 

And after another 4 hour of bulk fermentation and folds it looked like a regular super strong dough without potatoes,  I actually needed 30g more water because it was too stiff!

And after it baked it's completely different, soft and velvety like no other bread I baked with other starches (non wheat grains, legume, carrots, sweet potatoes) just completely different in a good way! 

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DanAyo

Tip - Time required for max Oven Spring and Ear Formation

At this time I think that the time required to reach maximum oven spring and ear formation is dependent upon many variables. Such as oven heat, thermal mass in the oven, steam, flour types, and a host of other variables. But, in order to get a ball park idea of the time required, a time lapse video was produced and from that video images were extracted at 1 minute intervals.

The results of that test is below.

The video is best viewed using THIS LINK.

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fvllnz1

Dense and flat sourdough bread

Hi! I am very frustrated! 

I baked my second loaf today and got terrible results, it turned out very very dense, i'd even say gummy, and flat. I followed Tartine basic country bread recipe and here are the details for my starter (which is 3 weeks old): 

I used to feed it once a day in a 1:2:2 ratio (50g starter, 50g/50g rye and AP flour, 100g of slightly warm water) until I saw that it was capable of doubling in size. Then I switched to a 1:4:4 ratio (with 25g starter) and, since I bake once a week at most, after 2 hours after each feeding I put it in the fridge for a week until I feed it again. 

I think it's important to say that while it is capable of doubling in size and shows plenty of activity it takes a long time for that to happen, I would say 12-14 hours, though I've always thought that it's because I live in a very cold country/house, correct me if I'm wrong! please. Is that necessarily true? or does it mean that my starter is too weak still? 

Anyways, I took my starter out of the fridge the day before baking and fed it, 12 hrs after its feeding it had doubled in size as usual, so I took out 50g of it and built my levain with 40g of rye flour, 40g of AP flour and 80g warm water. I gave it 12 hrs to rise while I slept.

In the morning I saw that it had doubled and that the top was dome like, so it was still rising. Don't know if this is important but it just smelled like flour and water, and didn't have the tangy smell my starter usually has. I did the float test and it passed it without any problem.

After this I just followed the recipe and was very careful. (750g water, 900g bread flour, 100g rye flour, 20g salt) Also, between each set of stretch and folds I put the dough in a warm environment (26°C).

Everything seemed ok but I had very few bubbles on the surface of the dough. Then, when I put it in the DO for the first 20 min (lid on) I had no oven spring :( and for the rest of the time (25 min) the bread rose very little, although it browned really nicely and the crust was nice too. 

Sorry for making this so long but I wanted to give as much detail as possible. What do you think I should do? it makes me very sad lol. How can I strenghten my starter? I don't know what to do haha

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ciabatta

Bulgur Flaxseed 30% Whole Wheat Sourdough

My 2nd attempt at a seed loaf.  First attempt was too ambitious (with sunflower, pumpkin, quinoa, oats and sesame) using Hamelmann 5 grain levain formula and turned out to be a salty wet mess due to soaker hydration issues.

This one I kept to my standard SD formula with adjustments from 16% to 30% whole wheat. Added a soaker of course ground bulgur and a cold soaker of flaxseed.

Dough seemed just a little bit loose but preshape and shaping went well.  after overnight cold retard, dough firmed up and didn't spread, which was what i was afraid of.

20 minutes covered in oven. much better spring than i anticipated from a loaded 30% WW.

nearly 30 minutes uncovered. i think i should have gone on for another 10 minutes. maybe at reduced heat. not quite enough color on the crust.

Crumb was good. it bit of moisture left (should have baked 10 more mins). But acceptable. I don't think i get any of the bulgur texture in the crumb, but on the crust, they add some good flavor and crunch.  maybe i should do a shorter soak.   the flaxseeds were interesting. making a gel envelop during the soak. next batch will be slightly lower hydration, longer bake, and a bit more salt and maybe a touch of honey.  For some reason i mentally expect more salty taste on a seed bread.

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Morus

Making Non-diastatic rye malt from beer rye malt?

I'm considering making this Danish rye bread that calls for "malt syrup": https://foodgeek.dk/en/danish-rye-bread-recipe/

I don't have "malt syrup" and I have almost no experience of malt in any way (well, apart from drinking beer :-)). But I do however actually have 1 kg of this beer rye malt: https://bestmalz.de/en/malts/distillers-malts/best-rye-malt/

I thought I could use the malt I have and exchange it for the "malt syrup". I know that "malt syrup" is most likely made of barley but I thought rye malt could be tasty as well (and I like the idea of making the bread more pure rye). Could this work and be tasty?

I assume the beer malt I have is diastatic and I need to make it Non-diastatic. How do I do that? Just roast it? 150C in the oven for 15 min or what is good?

Do I need to make a powder or can I use the whole malted berries/kernels? (I don't have a mill but I suppose I could try powder them with pestle and mortar).

The rye bread formula calls for 50 g "malt syrup", approx how many grams of my non-diastatic malt powder/berries could that correspond to?

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Sourdough_Hobby

Deli Rye

Hi All, the local coffee shop has requested that I take over production of their rye. They currently get it frozen so decided to keep a record of my experimenting here. 

Initially though I would do a 100% rye with seeds, but that's closer to the health bread they currently use. 

Below is the first test result, happy with the loaf overall just going to tweak it slightly and play around with the starter  build,  I like the flavour I get from the three stage Detmolder build more.  I pushed the bulk on this one, left it for around 7 hours in a cool kitchen until the dough doubled. "pre-shaped" as much as I could, left it for another hour and shaped and proofed at RT for 30mins, fridge at 5C for 12H.  

Stats on the loaf was around 38% Rye and 77% hydration, with 20% Rye starter @ 70% ish hydration. Hand mixed, shallow score and baked seam side up, I wanted the natural tear along the seam, don't think I needed to score would have open up fine without the help. 

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ezm

Baking Scale with baking percentage function

I've been using the kd8000 baking scale for some time and really like the percentage function. However, the scale is gigantic, especially for a city apartment. 

Does anyone know of a smaller profile scale that also has this function?

 

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Cotch

Any Online Baking Supply/Ingredient Sources?

Hello, 

This is my first time posting but I have been reading a lot of the topics over the last two months and have already learned a ton. 

I am working through a few books (FWSY, BBA, and Tartine Bread.) I picked up Tartine: Revised for their pastries and notice that they use a lot of flours not sold in supermarkets, particularly but flours and ancient grains. I'm getting my wheat flour in bulk from Baker's Authority but need a supplier for the harder to find flours - particularly, Einkorn.

If you can recommend any online suppliers that you use, I would appreciate it. I'm near Philadelphia but, due to the pandemic, I'm particularly interested in online/delivery right now. 

Thanks so much! 

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janij

Alan Scott Oven Plans and how to build.

Hello All,

I guess 5 or so years ago I offered on another thread to send people the plans that Alan Scott made for building ovens.  I sent the link out for years.  Then I had a couple people tell me I was infringing on copyright and they would come after me and I quit sending it.  I have looked.  You can not buy the plans any more and I can not find any where else online that you can get it.  So, I am going to leave the link in this post.  Should someone come after me again I will take it down.  I am not looking for money.  I am not selling the plans.  I am sharing that which can not be found.  The link is

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qxc20u8xfqk3av/AlanScottOven.pdf?dl=0

That being said.  The plans will only get you so far.  I HIGHLY recommend if you want to build one on your own to purchase From The Wood Fired Oven by Richard Miscovich.  He has a couple pictures in there that are worth the price of the book.  He also has info on newer materials, like fire blankets, that are more efficient and easier to work with.  I also highly recommend The Bread Builders by Wing and Scott.  It is a slightly older book but gives details that the Alan Scott plans do not.

These ovens are possible to build even if you are not a mason.  They are not that hard.  They do take time and thought.  And they are well worth the effort.  I hope this helps.

Jani

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aditisawhney

Huge tunnel at the bottom of my sourdough!

Hi,

I've been reading a lot of posts on this forum and have really appreciated all the help and advise offered!

I've been trying to make sourdough and had a peculiar problem on my second try. The dough developed a huge tunnel at the bottom.

My recipe is below:

All purpose 160 gm

Whole wheat 40 gm

Levain 40 gm (100% hydration and passes the float test)

Salt 4 gm

Water 133 gm

 

My kitchen is at 95* F and so the dough tends to proof quite quickly. I autolyse for 45 mins, then did 3 stretch & folds in 15 mins intervals (longer intervals have led overproofing due to the heat), preshaping after 15 mins and shaping after 10 mins. I'm new to all of this so my shaping capabilities are limited.

I proofed over night for about 15 hours in the fridge and put it straight to bake in a pre heated dutch oven at 450* F.

Any clue where I've gone wrong? Really really appreciate help on this!

 

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