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phaz

Yet another calculator - Phazulator

Yeah, another 1. If ya find it useful - Enjoy! If not (I don't) don't worry about it. And it is phone friendly.h

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OU5pwPiExBNJudrGrYHNfP_0kHKiUV1S/view?usp=drivesdk

Enter a desired amount and percentages for the other stuff (as noted) -  It'll give a final weight and hydration, and of course how much to scale (for both preferment and final dough.

 

11-24-20 - fixed math (and logic)

11-26-20 - minor visual additions

11-30-20 - something bugged me so I fixed it

12-6-20 - slightly different approach

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BXMurphy

Talk about STUPID!

Can somebody slap and fold me??

Ever since discovering this place, I've enjoyed reading and learning all sorts of new things and making online friends. I'd spend hours on my little phone reading article after article...

And then I stumbled onto something I never knew existed, The Fresh Loaf Handbook

I was searching about salt and one of the pages was at the top of the list. And it was a part of a larger, most excellent handbook.

I then searched "handbook" to read more about it and somebody mentioned that it was part of the top navigation menu. *i* didn't see it. Where was it?...

I turned the phone sideways... and... a whole new view opened up! Dummy! I should have thought of that before.

Isn't it funny how you think the world that you see is the only world that exists. Kind of like Plato's Allegory of the Cave (which is very cool). I have to try breaking paradigms more often.

Murph

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Crose

Selling books Inc Cresci

Hey, 

 

 So I'm someone who's been baking a long time and have amassed a large collection of books.  I'm downsizing though and have rather a lot of bread (I used to work in a community bakery) and assorted other baking books, including Cresci (which is both utterly gorgeous and out of print) the art of leavened dough.  It certainly would make a lovely Christmas gift, even if it's to yourself ?

 

 I'm not sure of the best place to try and sell these, any ideas?  I can absolutely photograph and list them here if there is any interest of course. 

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clevins

Overnight Proofing... tradition or is there a real benefit?

So, I'm relatively new, esp to sourdough, but I'm wondering about the practice of overnight proofing. I see it all the time... "Do X, leave it to bulk ferment, then shape and proof overnight..." 

But... why overnight? I get that the dough continues to ferment, albeit at a slower temp. I get that there is, allegedly, a flavor difference.  But from some reading here, there's also other chemical reactions happening not all of which are positive, so you don't want to let it sit there for days (I'm specifically thinking of bread dough here, not pizza). 

I get that for a bakery it might work to their advantage to retard the second proofing and have that finish in the early AM but for regular home bakers is there a *significant* advantage to overnight in the fridge vs simply having a second, shaped proof at room temp? 

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dmsnyder

Window Pane photo

I was able to get a nice photo of the "window pane" of the dough I mixed for yesterday's bake. Questions about this sign of complete gluten development come up from time to time, so I thought others might enjoy seeing this.

This is a yeasted, enriched dough. It was machine mixed in a KitchenAid Professional at speed 1 for 2 minutes. Then the salt was added, and it was mixed at speed 1 for 2 more minutes. The paddle was changed to the dough hook. Then it was mixed at Speed 2 for 9 minutes.

It is the "Medium Vienna Dough" from "Inside the Jewish Bakery." I use this dough for sandwich rolls.

Happy baking!

David

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PizzaCalcio

Cold Fermentation Questions

Hey Guys!

Question on cold fermentation process that others are using.

Right now, I have three different strategies for when I cold ferment-

I don't use preferments for cold fermentation, only autolyse flour and water for 20-30M

Teglia/Sicilian/Bread (cold ferment whole wheat loaves once in a while)

71% HL, 1.78% Salt, 0.16% Yeast - use 11.7% APF, or 12.7% BF depending on mood, will throw in 5-10% of durum, spelt, or whatever else I have

Neopolitan

Same as above but lower HL to around 65%, use 11.7% APF, was never a real fan of Caputo Tipo 00, just acquired some Mulino Marino Tipo 00 so I'll be trying that

 

I will usually hand mix for 15, 3 stretch and folds every 15 min, sit for 1 hour at room temp, then into the fridge. Neopolitan I usually only go 24 hours, teglia and sicilian I will stretch to 48 and rarely 72.

 

When I take out of fridge, dough temp is around 40F with some bubbles. 

 

My question is - how long do people let their dough sit out for before they shape and bake? I see a lot of things online that say let come to room temperature for 1 to 2 hours. My dough usually takes 4-5hrs to come close to room temp in a 70F room. I usually let my dough sit in the same tub it was cold fermenting in (maybe that is my error) for 2 to 3 hours, let sit proof in the pan (for sicilian), ball up (for teglia/Neo) or shape (bread) for an hour and then bake. Even lately, I have been letting dough sit out 5+ hours before I even shape (attached I let the dough sit out 6 hours, shaped for 1 and put in oven)

 

I just wanted to see what others are doing and if I am letting my dough overferment out of the fridge too much (judging by my crumb attached).

On a totally separate note, I just received some Tipo 00, Tipo 0, Burratto and Pandisempre flour from Mulino Marino - super excited - has anyone used before?

Sorry for the rant - Hope everyone is statying safe and healthy! @pizzacalcio

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ricman

focaccia bread

focaccia bread made with a poolish

 

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stepanzalis

Artisan bread - burst

Hello, I have been baking for a few months, so I am just beginner. It sometimes happen that a leaf burst at the bottom. Does someone have an idea which cause this? It is nicely visible in the photo above. Is that caused by wrong shaping, or could scoring be the issue?.

Thank you for your comments and advice. 

 

 

 

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Danni3ll3

Einkorn Sourdough with Barley Porridge and Sleeping Giant Northern Logger Beer

For this one, I figured using just the Einkorn and the Barley were boring so I tossed on some locally made beer. I don’t know if it was the beer, the lower hydration, the sticking to under 12 hours for the refrigerated proof or removing the loaves from the fridge 20 minutes before popping them in the oven, but wow! Did I ever get fantastic oven spring! Probably the best oven spring I’ve had for a long time!

 

 

Recipe

 

Makes 3 loaves

 

Porridge

75 g barley flakes

150 g water

 

Main dough

 

710 g strong baker’s unbleached flour

300 g freshly milled Einkorn

140 g filtered water + 45 g

470 g Sleeping Giant Brewery Northern Logger beer

22 g salt

30 g local yogurt

250 g levain (procedure in recipe)

 

Two mornings before:

1. Take 18 g of refrigerated starter and feed it 18 g of filtered water and 18 g of wholegrain flour. Let sit at cool room temperature for the day. 

 

The two nights before:

1. Feed the levain 36 g of water and 36 g of wholegrain rye flour. Let that rise at cool room temperature for the night. 

 

The morning before:

1. Feed the levain 72 g of filtered water and 72 g of strong baker’s flour and let rise until doubled (about 6 hours). 

2. Place into fridge until the next morning. 

 

The night before:

1. Measure out the stated amount of einkorn berries, and mill them on the finest setting of your home mill. 

2. Place the required amounts of the einkorn flour in a tub and add the unbleached flour to it. 

3. Cover and set aside.

4. Make the barley porridge and cook until thick. Cool and refrigerate overnight.

 

Dough making day:

1. In the morning, take the porridge and the levain out of the fridge to warm up before being used in the dough.

2. Using a stand mixer, mix the water with the flour, and mix on speed 1 until all the flour has been hydrated. Let this autolyse for a couple of hours. 

3. Once the autolyse is done, add the salt and the levain to the bowl. Mix on speed one for a minute to integrate everything, then mix on speed 2 for 4 minutes. Einkorn apparently doesn’t like being overmixed. In the meantime, add the extra water to the barley porridge to loosen it. 

4. Add the porridge and mix on speed 2 until they are evenly distributed. This should only take a minute or two.

5. Remove the dough from the mixing bowl and place in a lightly oiled covered tub. Let rest 30 minutes in a warm spot (oven with lights on). 

6. Do 2 sets of coil folds at 30 minute intervals and then more 2 sets at 45 minute intervals, and then let the dough rise to about 30%. Total bulk took a lot longer than expected because one of my oven lights (there are two in there) died. I was wondering why the dough was still cold at the third coil folds. Thankfully, hubby keeps spares around and replaced it right away. So any stated time for bulk would not be accurate so 30% rise is what you will need to go by. 

7. Tip the dough out on a bare counter, sprinkle the top with flour and divide into portions of ~740 g. Round out the portions into rounds with a dough scraper and let rest 30 minutes on the counter. 

8. Do a final shape by flouring the top of the rounds and flipping the rounds over on a lightly floured counter. Gently stretch the dough out into a circle. Pull and fold the third of the dough closest to you over the middle. Pull the right side and fold over the middle and do the same to the left. Fold the top end to the center patting out any cavities. Finally stretch the two top corners and fold over each other in the middle. Roll the bottom of the dough away from you until the seam is underneath the dough. Cup your hands around the dough and pull towards you, doing this on all sides of the dough to round it off. Finally spin the dough to make a nice tight boule.

9. Sprinkle a  mix of rice and all purpose flour in the bannetons. Place the dough seam side down in the bannetons. Let rest for a few minutes on the counter and then put to bed in a cold (38F) fridge overnight. 

Baking Day

1. The next morning, heat the oven to 475F with the Dutch ovens inside for 45 minutes to an hour. Turn out the dough seam side up onto a cornmeal sprinkled counter. Place rounds of parchment paper in the bottom of the pots, and carefully but quickly place the dough seam side up inside. I always set the oven on a timer the night before so I can sleep in for the hour the oven is heating. Well I woke up with a start thinking I’d over slept and ran to get the loaves out of the fridge. Actually I hadn’t overslept and the loaves sat out for about 20 minutes while the oven finished heating for an hour. 

2. Cover the pots and bake the loaves at 450 F for 25 minutes, remove the lids, and bake for another 22 minutes at 425 F. Internal temperature should be 205 F or more.

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DanAyo

Tip - How to stop Email Notification on any topic.

It has come to my attention that some users innocently reply to an active Topic and soon after are barraged by un-wanted email notifications.

THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION

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Some Topics are active and get very large with many post. If a user replies to ANY post they will (by default) receive email notifications for all new replies. If you post a reply and you find that the notifications are more than you would like you can either (1) opt out or (2) recieve replies to your post only. See image below.

To change your email notification settings you can “edit” any of your previous post to the particular topic in order to alter the settings. 

Sean posted another simple solution, “When you receive an email there should be a link to deactivate all notifications. No need to find your comment and edit it.

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