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Chermid0719's picture
Chermid0719

Brod & Taylor Proofer

Hello All,

I need some help. I life in Michigan in a drafty, chilly townhome. I mix and kneed my dough using a Kitchenaid most of the time. I've just purchased and used my new Brod & Taylor Proofer for the first time today. Basic white loaf, proofed out  instead of up. Any pointers as to why and how to correct would be so helpful.

Yeast is new and stored in freezer for freshness but brought to room temp.

I also took the temp of the water used to activate the yeast.

How long do you leave dough in the proofer? I set mine at 82°.

Thank you,

Cheryl

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Kirky17

Sourdough no oven spring or “ear”

Hi everyone, 

I have been baking sourdough now for about 3 months - one good thing to come from all these lockdowns! I live in the tropics so very humid. I tried a few sourdough recipes and have found the one that works for me in this environment - easy to work with, great tasting, lovely crust, lots of bubbles in the bread. 
One thing I’m struggling with is getting that “burst” in the oven - the elusive ear! I read a post which said it could be that the dough is under or over proofed. I’m still very new to this and wondered if someone could help me out? I’ve attached a pic of the bread - does it look under or over proofed? The bread tastes amazing and is a lovely texture. There is by the way some spring in the oven. It doesn’t have this height when I take it from the banneton but it isn’t as wide either, which makes me think there is some spreading out during baking. Maybe I just need to improve my shaping technique? 
Any tips to ensure great oven spring and that lovely ear?  

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idaveindy

27th bake. 11/27/2020. 100% "blended" soaked berries.

Nov. 27, 2020.

The goal of this bake is to use no pre-milled flour, just soaked whole berries that have been blended in a Vitamix blender.  Add-ins are then used to get the hydration right.

This time I weighed most things. I forgot to weigh the approximately 1 tbsp starter. Guessing it to be 19.5 grams.

I started with 225 g of whole berry hard white spring wheat, Prairie Gold, and soaked it in what looked like enough water for 17 hours. I exchanged the soak water during this period.

I weighed the berries and water at the end of the soak, and figured I put 284 grams of water and 225 grams of wheat in the blender.  

Part way through blending, it looked like it needed more water to fully blend, so I added 22 grams of water for a total of 306.

It blended into a paste. I gave it an extra 30 seconds at high speed to break up the small bits. The paste got a bit warm.

Upon scraping it out of the blender, I could see strands, so it developed gluten.

Weighed the bowl of paste, and figured I "lost" 25 grams of paste/dough that I could not scrape out of the blender container. I did not try to flush the residue out of the blender container using water, as that may have necessitated adding flour to the thinner paste.

Using a silicone scraper, folded in 35 grams of whole dry chia seed, 15 grams of dry uncooked old fashioned rolled oats and 15 grams of dry uncooked quick 1 minute oats (not instant).

Folded in 4.5 grams of salt.

Folded in 1/8 tsp instant dry yeast and 19.5 grams of cold starter, 100% hydration, made with Gold Medal Bread Flour, last refreshed yesterday afternoon.

The dough was a little rubbery and bouncy. Yup, there's gluten! Same behavior as yesterday's second bake, only a little more so -- so that one had gluten formed in the blender too, but I did not realize it.

After mixing in the add-ins, I realized that I didn't need to add any flour. Woo hoo!

At the 40 minute  mark, the rolled oats are still lumpy. So in the future, if I don't want oat lumps, I'll use just the quick oats, not the thicker un-cut old fashioned variety.

Baker's percentages:

  • 306 / 225 = 136% hydration, not counting add-ins.
  • 306 / 290 = 105.5% hydration including add-ins.
  • (19.5 / 2) / ( 225 + (19.5/2) ) = 4.1% prefermented flour.
  • 35 / 225 = 15.5% dry chia.
  • 30 / 225 = 13.3 %  dry rolled oats.

 Baked with lid on, at 425 F for 20 minutes. Then with lid off, at 425 F for 23 minutes. Internal temp 209.5 F.

 

 





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DanAyo

Starter gets weaker over time

We read that as a starter that is well maintained and as it matures, that the raising power of that starter will increase. It should rise higher in the vessel as it reaches maturity.

That has not been my experience. After making many many sourdough starters, including Lievito Madre, the rise obtained within the first week is always higher than after having fed it for the second or third week. I can’t recall a single exception. See THIS POST for a documented account of this. The starter quadrupled after only a few days,  but soon thereafter it started tripling and no more.

For the last month I have been working diligently to build a strong Lievito Madre. 2 of these starters are being maintained on a continuous basis as this is written. One was built from my typical sd starter and the other was built from scratch using Apple Water. It seems no matter what I do, the starters refuse to solidly triple in the required 4 hr ferment @ ~82F. Both starters are fed 3 or more times a day..,

Any knowledgeable insight into this matter is seriously appreciated.

This is what my Lievito Madre used to do, now it only doubles.

Danny

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vangoghbread

Handmilling fine flour

Hello,

 

Recently joined and enjoyed browsing the forum for helpful information. I would like to mill my own flour. I decided that I want a hand mill to achieve this goal. In my research I really like the

SAMAP (https://www.samap-eco.fr/en/moulins/handmill-hand-mill-SAMAP/)

or 

Salzburger (https://natural-grainmills.com/handmills/).

Around the forums and over the internet, it seems these two seem to produce fine flour which is what I'm looking for in a hand mill. 

If I want to grind a ~500G of flour with these at a time, how many minutes would this realistically take? I received an estimate from the manufacturer, but would love to hear the members' experience around this. 

Also would like to get more options for different types of hand mill for fine flour, since these manufacturers seem slow to get back to me and are in Europe. I'm in the USA. 

Thank you. 

 

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texasbakerdad

100% Whole Wheat Sourdough Pizza 85% hydration

Another great baking day. The crust was crunchy, crisp, and super flavorful. Too many good bakes in a row, I am due for a disaster :-)

We were having a friend over and decided we wanted to make pizza. We are making pizza at least twice a month now, but usually we throw the pizza together at the last minute, which enables a tasty pizza but just not as good as one where the dough is started the day before.

But, this time, I had enough fore warning and I had a guest to cater to, so I got to put in the extra effort. I really wanted to use commercial flour, but unfortunately, all we had were unground white and red hard wheat berries. Which I knew were not ideal for making pizza dough. However, my wife loves anytime I can make whole wheat work and I enjoy the challenge.

I went on the hunt for an (a) overnight, (b) 100% whole wheat, (c) high hydration, and (d) sourdough pizza dough recipe. I couldn't find any recipes that had all 4 desired traits, so I ended up combing 2 recipes and 1 youtube video into my own recipe.

My biggest concerns for this bake were:

  • The whole wheat dough breaking down during the night in the fridge.
  • Getting the timing wrong with regards to warming up the dough early enough to get a good rise by bake time
  • Getting the hydration wrong, I didn't want dense and chewy dough

I had no issues with the dough, except for the hydration. I should have increased it even more. I chose 80% hydration based on this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTas4Fn9xk4

But, Mr. Iacopelli was using refined and fine flour. So, I realized pretty early on that I should have chosen a hydration between 90% and 110% for my freshly milled hard white wheat. I was able to improve the situation substantially by adding water while working the dough during bulk ferment, but I probably only upped the hydration to 85%. In the end, the crust was fantastic, but shaping the pies was difficult and I think the crust could have been much more supple and easier to shape had I had a higher hydration.

The other two recipes I consulted in coming up with my recipe were:

https://www.melskitchencafe.com/whole-wheat-pizza-dough/
https://www.thursdaynightpizza.com/no-yeast-sourdough-pizza-dough/

Recipe:

  • 6% starter (50:50 hard red wheat:water) (100g)
  • Hard White Wheat (I chose white because it has a milder flavor than red) (1500g)
  • 80% Water (1200g)
  • 2% salt (30g)
  • 2% oil (30g)
  • 2% molasses (any sugar would suffice) (30g)
  • 5% Ooopsie Water (trying to correct for less than ideal hydration level) (75g)

Process:

  • 9p night before: By hand, mix all ingredients except for the oopsie water into a shaggy mess. The goal here is to get the flour to absorb the water for 15 minutes before spending too much time trying to build any gluten.
  • 9:15p: Knead dough by hand for about 5 minutes, basically to get the ingredients to be evenly distributed and start some gluten developing. I really didn't work the dough very hard, just folded it over about 10 to 20 times until the the dark molasses spots in the dough disappeared. In hindsight, I should have mixed the salt, water, and molasses together first, before added it to the rest of the ingredients. No negative side effects to the end product, it only meant I had to work a bit harder to evenly distribute everything.
  • 9:20p: When done kneading, transfer to a clean container, cover and throw in fridge.
  • 9a next morning: Pull dough out of fridge and set on counter to slowly warm up and let the sourdough start to do its job. At this point, the top of the dough was kind of dried out from being in the fridge. The top of my plastic container wasn't tightly sealed enough. I added about 10g of oopsie water at this point and worked it into the dough. Did about 5 folds.
  • 10a: Added another 20g of water, folded about 10 more times to work the water in. Dough was still cold at this point and the sourdough hadn't really done anything.
  • 11a: Added another 20g of water, folded about 10 more times. Dough was almost room temp, no signs of sourdough activity yet.
  • 12a: Added rest of oopsie water (25g), folded about 10 more time. Dough might have been showing signs of life, but nothing terribly noticable.
  • 4p: Dough had more than doubled and looked good. Using a scale, I divided the dough into 9 equally weighted pieces. Did my best to preshape  into a ball, but the dough was  a bit hard to work with because of the low hydration, so I did my best. Let the preshaped balls rest or 15 minutes.
  • 4:15p: Put preshaped balls on to pizza peal sized sheets of parchment paper. Tried to shape the dough into pizza pies. The gluten was strong with this dough, the dough kept trying to go back to its original form. I overworked the first pie by forcing it into shape... I was too firm with my insistent pushing a prodding. That pie didn't come out as beautifully as the other. For the rest, I decided to shape the dough in two steps. The end result needed to be a pie with a 14" diameter, so for the first step I gently worked the dough into a 9" diameter pie, then let it rest for 10 minutes. In the second step, after the gluten had relaxed, I worked the dough the rest of the way to 14". This worked well.
  • 4:30p: gently worked dough a second time to get it to 14". (If anyone other than me actually reads this, when I write gently worked dough, I mean, gently pull and push the dough in your hands, never nearing the point of tearing the dough or squishing the life out of it, and absolutely never use a rolling pin. If you overwork the dough, you will squish out all of the air bubbles and won't get a nice airy crust.)
  • 4:30p: Preheat oven to convection 550dF. The hotter the better, 500dF is as high as my oven goes.
  • 5:00p: One at a time cook pies on pizza stone. 4 minutes, then rotate 180 degrees and cook another 3 minutes.

Toppings:

  • Pizza sauce: Crushed tomatoes (uncooked) mixed with olive oil, dried oregano, dried basil, fresh minced garlic, and salt
  • Ground pork mixed with dried oregano, thyme, basil, and salt
  • pickled jalapenos
  • mozzarella cheese 
  • Take it easy on the cheese and sauce, too much and it will make the dough soggy.

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albacore

Couche Cloth Tip

Proving en couche today, I had the usual need for something to support the ends. Instead of the often used wine bottles or lumps of wood I rummaged in the recycle bin and came out with an empty 2 pint milk container and an EVOO bottle. After a wash on the outside, I filled them with warm water, made sure they didn't leak and used them as my centrally-heated "bookends". Perfect in our cold climate!

(Apologies if this tip is known already, but I've not seen it.)

Lance

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alfanso

My annual appeal - give thanks for TFL

Dave beat me to the punch by a few minutes!  But I'll take it a step further.

This is the time of year that we USA based North Americans on the cusp of celebrating our Thanksgiving as we usher in the beginning of the Christmas holidays.  

I get a lot of pleasure out of my participation and reviewing of others' activity on TFL.  Probably more so than any other non-news or encyclopedic website.  And I rely on TFL for my enjoyment, diversion and personal satisfaction in learning and sharing what I've learned.  And it has enhanced my retirement hobby greatly.

I have no personal association with our host Floyd beyond a thanks to him for creating and maintaining this website and to ask him a question or provide a suggestion via a DM.  But as long as I have the floor, I'm asking those of you who wish to thank Floyd in a different way than just kind words, to think about donating to TFL.  It may just benefit all of us in the long run.

https://www.paypal.me/TheFreshLoaf is where I will make my annual donation.  Consider doing something similar if you feel like you get a real value out of TFL's existence.  If Floyd has an alternative method of contributing for you to consider, other than PayPal, I hope that he replies with that information.

I've asked Floyd more than once in the past if it was okay to post these messages, and he said yes.  So once more I'm doing an end-run and not asking first.

alan

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Yippee

20201122 Rus Brot's Panettone with CLAS

To learn more about concentrated lactic acid sourdough (CLAS), please see here and here

 

 

 

This is another yummy formula from Rus. Thank you! 

 

  

 

 

 

My largest panettone production in one go. 

    How can I prevent the top from bursting and form a dome smoothly coated with egg wash when baked?樂樂樂     Super delicious! I am sure I will impress my friends again!   TJ is awesome! 

 

 

 

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sjum

Help! Mill & MIx motor stopped

Hi All,

Yesterday I was grinding Kamut when my motor started making a different sound.  I turned it off and then tried to turn it back on and nothing happened.  The motor was hot so I let sit overnight and tried again today and to my dismay, it is not working.  I'm devastated.  I've never had a problem before. Did I overwork my 'Millie'?  I'm hoping it can be fixed.  Any advice?  She's a workhorse so I'm surprised.  I thought there might a fuse that tripped but I don't see anything.  

Thanks in advance!

Susan

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