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Carlo_Panadero

Experimenting with Ancient Grains

20% White Khorasan Sourdough with 10% Wholemeal Spelt.

 

Recipe for 2 medium Loaves: 

490g Strong Bread Flour

140g White Khorasan

70g Wholemeal Spelt Flour

525g Water(34c deg)

140g Starter

14g Salt

 

2 Hours Autolyse

Add starter and rest for 30 minutes then add salt and mix.

Using slap and folds with 10 minutes rest interval until the dough is smooth and developed gluten.

 

5 hours Total Fermentation before pre shape. With 2 Stretch and folds(30 minutes rest intervals

 

Bake on steel plate @ 250°C for 20 minutes and 180°C for 30 minutes

 

https://youtu.be/5dFsGGrOci0

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windycityloafster

Yeast Water and Beer

I was drinking a fin du monde the other day and noticed the visible yeast sediment in the bottom of the bottle. Those beers are fermented in bottle, but I don't know how much, if any, of that yeast is active or alive by the time the consumer opens it. Can it be cultivated, and kept as a yeast water solution, sort of how people do with the wild yeasts on fruit? How should it be fed, would whole groats of various grains work, or should fruits be the food of choice? I'm going to try and cultivate this and I'll keep posting, but it will undoubtedly take time before something, if anything, happens. In the meantime I would love to hear anyone else's thoughts on this, as I really have no clue what to expect.

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DanAyo

Chocolate Sourdough

JR posted his Chocolate Sourdough bread and it inspired me to give it a try. Two changes were made. The salt was reduced to 1.8% and 3% honey was added.

The chocolate paste tasted very bitter, so just enough honey was added to offset the bitter. But not enough to make the bread noticeably sweet. 

The hydration (counting the water in the chocolate paste) was 93.8%. In spite of this the dough was quite easy to handle and shape. The chocolate paste offset the high hydration. The color, crumb, and oven spring were nice.

BUT - the flavor did not thrill my taste buds. Even though the starter was not highly acidic, IMO the sourdough didn’t pair well with the chocolate. Should this bread be attempted again either commercial yeast or Yeast Water would be used to leaven instead of SD.

A beautiful bread with a super soft texture. Too bad the flavor was off.

A Thought
How about a  Chocolate - Chocolate Babka?

Mix this dough with CY and use Nutella for the filling. Maybe reduce the percentage of chocolate powder and increase the honey?

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albacore

Italian Bread Recipes - A Lievito Question

Whenever I browse Italian bread recipes, they all seem to use either lievito di birra, which is standard bakers yeast (fresh or dry), or lievito madre.

In the past I have dutifully refreshed my LM starter many times to get it in peak condition - a tedious process - before making the bread. However I am now wondering if it is really necessary to use LM in most recipes.

I accept that there are certain products or processes that need it, eg panettone or biga, but is it required for everything else? Perhaps the recipe would work just as well using my standard sourdough starter?

Indeed, maybe the Italians think this way too, as there appears to be a starter known as licoli "Lievito Madre a Coltura Liquida". This seems to be made at 100% hydration; on the other hand it is often started off with raisins, so is it more of a yeast water?

I look forward to enlightenment!

 

Lance

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Benito

Well fermented dough jiggle

This has come up quite a bit recently with a lot of the newer bakers so I’d thought I’d upload a video showing the jiggle of a well fermented dough.  This is a seven grain sourdough just before shaping, my aliquot jar indicates that it has risen about 60% (aliquot jar overestimates the rise of the main dough).  This dough has 31% inclusions so that will negatively affect the jiggle, without inclusions at this degree of rise the jiggle would be even greater.

Other signs of good fermentation are the domed edge at the sides of the bowl.  If there were no inclusions you would also see more fermentation bubbles.

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Benito

Rum Soaked Apricot Toasted Walnut Sourdough

I’ve wanted to do another fruit and nut bread for a few weeks and decided to finally see how apricots and walnuts would do together.  I loved the rum soaked fruits I’ve done in the past so decided to rum soak the apricots overnight.  Toasted walnuts are always better than raw and finally to see if I could amp up the walnut flavour I added some walnut oil as well.  I tried another decorative score, of course my lack of practice and artistic talents impair the outcome.  I also think that perhaps a fruit and nut laden loaf may not be the best vehicle for this type of decorative scoring.

For one 900 g loaf 80% hydration (2 loaves)

311 g white bread flour.    (622)           

46 g whole wheat flour.     (92)          

21 g dark rye flour.           (42)             

274 g warm water, then         (548)   

21 g water for mixing later       (42)  

7.5 g salt  (15)

2 g diastatic malt powder 0.5%  (4)

12.5 g Walnut oil 3%

 

77 g levain   (154)

 

Total flour 416.5 g

 

76 g dried apricots 20% chopped soaked in rum overnight

76 g toasted walnuts 20%

Double batch 152 g each

 

Final dough weight 906 g

 

Levain build 1:6:6 for overnight 74ºF 

6 g starter + 38 g water + 38 g red fife

 

Overnight saltolyse

 

Add walnut oil at the end of mix by drizzling over and stretch and folding.

 

Bulk Fermentation 80-82ºF 

Add levain to dough, pinching along with hold out water, Rubaud for a few minutes then 500 French folds fully develop gluten.  Then stretch and fold to add walnut oil.

  1. + 30 min Bench letterfold, set up aliquot jar
  2. + 30 mins Lamination.  Place dough on wet counter and spread out into a large rectangle. Spread walnuts and cranberries on the dough in thirds. 
  3. + 30 min Coil Fold
  4. + 30 min Coil Fold
  5. + 30 min Coil Fold
  6. + 30 mins Coil Fold
  7. + 30 mins coil fold
  8. + 45 mins coil fold

 

End of BF - Shaping aliquot jar 60% or greater - the bench rest until aliquot 70% or greater.

 

Retard Overnight

 

Bake

Preheat oven 500ºF with dutch oven inside

Once 500ºF remove dough from banneton and score as desired.

 

Transfer to dutch oven placing the lid on top place in over lower ⅓ of the oven.  Turn oven temperature to 450ºF. Bake for 20 mins.  The drop temperature to 420ºF and continue to bake for 10 mins lid on.  Then remove lid and continue to bake in the dutch oven lid off for 10 mins further.  Remove bread from dutch oven and bake directly on the oven rack for another 10-20 mins until fully baked.

 

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Juergen Krauss

Experiment on a 70% rye

This is a little experiment I wanted to do for years: 

Using my single step Detmolder rye recipe (see e.g. https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/23830/german-baking-day) with a Rye:Wheat ratio of 70:30 I wanted to know if the results were different using the two methods:

1. Mixing everything together and treating it as a rye bread, i.e. no gluten development

2. Developing the gluten in the wheat flower and then adding rye, starter, remaining water etc (in the photo this is the slice with the toothpick)

Result: For a 70% Rye there is no difference 

I will check out how other Rye:Wheat ratios might do.

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citygirlbaker

1:4:4 vs. 1:1:1 loaf

Hi all:

I baked a couple of Tartine Country loaves today with a levain that was fed at 1:4:4 (25g starter (which is normally fed at 1:1:1) with 100g of flour and 100g of water).  I've done this before and, interestingly, the loaves I get from a 1:4:4 levain are usually much smaller in size than the ones I've made with a levain fed at 1:1:1.  Any idea why?

1:4:4 loaf is below.  

Thanks!

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Yippee

Canning lids

 Hi, 

 How can I separate two new canning lids that are stuck together?   Thanks.   

 

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MarkWT

What should I do differently?

I got a Mockmill 200 awhile back and have been enjoying grinding grains to add to my loaves. Yesterday, I thought I'd try an experiment and made two loaves - one that was 100% freshly milled grain and one that was 50% stoneground bread flour from Bakers Field Flour here in Minneapolis and 50% freshly milled grain. The grain that I milled was the same in both loaves, but all freshly milled in one loaf and 50% freshly milled in the other. 

I upped the hydration in these loaves to 85% since I was using so much freshly milled flour. Both loaves were mixed and proofed under the same conditions except for the fact that my 100% loaf was autolysed for 1 hour and the 50/50 loaf was autolysed for 30 minutes.

My 100% loaf never felt like it had any strength during the bulk time and as you can hopefully see from the photo, it didn't rise as much during the bake. (It's the left hand loaf.)

Thoughts about what I did wrong, or what I should have done differently? Thanks in advance for any advice.

Mark

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