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BakingBetty's picture

Are croissants impossible to make??

I've made croissant dough twice now and both times they haven't risen!! Yeast is fine. I'm fairly sure it's the laminating technique. All the recipes say to place into fridge to keep cool between rollings. When I pull the dough out the butter is brittle and I think these pieces pierce through the dough layers.

So, my question, is it even possible to make these yummy treats? I'm in croissant depression at the mo. What can you do with dough that hasn't risen?

Mebake's picture

From Laurel's Kitchen Book: Anadama Bread

This is a 100% whole wheat bread with corn slurry. It is an enriched bread with molasses and oil. TFL member Janet (Janetcook) has blogged about it earlier here.

I used sunflower oil, and substituted Molasses for date syrup since i didn't have any. Like janet, i used a sourdough starter (210g) instead of the yeast called for in the recipe. Furthermore, i had storbought fine cornmeal, so i cooked it to a slurry and used it after 1/2 hour.

I mixed the dough with a mixer, but continued by hand when the corn slurry, date syrup and oil were added. Since the dough was faily wet, i kneaded using the (Slap and fold technique) and the dough was miraculously turned into a soft, smooth dough. (The corn slurry was edible enough as it is, and i could eat the whole lot!)

Given the fact that i used a white starter, the levain was an all white liquid sourdough, so the fermentation of the dough was fairly sluggish. After forming the doughs and molding them into the pans, they were allowed to ferment for an hour and then were refrigerated to the next day eveneing (18 hours). Next day, i removed the pans from the fridge, and allowed them to continue fermenting for 6 hours! at 10 pm they were ready to be baked.

This morning, i had a slice. The crust was soft, and the crumb was moist and very soft. It was slightly sour, yet sweet from the date syrup. the corn slurry did not shine through as i had hoped, but it did help establish the overall character of this loaf.

Personally, i preferred Peter Rienhart's Anadama. However, next time, i won't reduce the corn meal to a slurry/mush. Janet's version must have tasted loads better with the coconut oil, and freshly ground corn.


dabrownman's picture

They Call Me Mellow Yellow

Mellow Yellow - by Donovan

I'm just mad about Saffron
Saffron's mad about me
I'm just mad about Saffron
She's just mad about me

They call me mellow yellow

With the 3 GMA’s baking their fine cornbread I was all set to make one of my favorite ones with jalapeños, creamed corn, homemade apple and maple smoked bacon and who knows what kind of cheese but Donovan’s song kept spinning around in my apprentices tiny head.

I think sometimes folks just don’t trust their intuition as much as they should, especially left handed women whose intuition is almost never wrong.  Science has been baffled for some time why this might be so but, they, being scientists, are fairly sure it doesn’t have much of anything to do with bread baking even though Donovan’s song does, at least as far as Lucy goes, which isn’t very far due to short legs and her sleeping most of the time.

We have another corn bread recipe, not the sweet kind, that I really like to make to have cornbread for Thanksgiving stuffing, but it isn’t nearly as good as stand alone bread.  So Lucy thought, not that long or hard, that we should keep some corn flour in today’s recipe but, to really go with her intuition, by putting in every mellow yellow ingredient she could find in the pantry.  She gets like this sometimes, being a determined German and I’m pretty sure she is left pawed too.

She found 3 kinds of semolina flour, the little left over bit of that fine Desert Durum, some Golden Temple Durum Atta where I had sifted out most all of the atta to use in the last batch of Toadies and some semolina we had picked up out of Winco’s bins.

Although a dog’s color acuity is far less than their baking masters, they aren’t totally color blind either.  Still, I suspect my apprentice’s long and gifted nose helped her distinguish one color of flour from another and she managed to pick out the yellow ones quite easily.  I wonder what she could do with truffles?  Then she hit on the garbanzo flour in the freezer and those beautifully yellow quinoa seeds that she had me grind into flour– not too much of either though.

On the wet side, orange juice came to mind right away but she jumped right into the last home made bottle of limoncello and it was all I could do to keep her away from it but did manage to limit her to 1/2 shot for the bread.  She didn’t want the bread to be too acidic from the citrus so she whipped up a saffron soaker to really give the bread a yellow color and also fit the lyrics of the Donovan tune still driving her crazy.

Even though they are not all liquid, she found some yellow ingredients in the fridge; she dumped in an egg yolk, some butter (even though American butter isn’t nearly as yellow or tasty as Kerrygold brand from Ireland) and some very pale yellow ricotta cheese which really hit her Italian theme with the durum semolina.

A knotted roll in the center surrounded by 8 balls and a rope, then covered by a huge bialy.

But, she wasn’t done, hardly ever is really and is pretty full of it most always.   For add ins she grabbed some dried Turkish apricots that she re-hydrated and then used the left over yellow, sweet, soaking water for part of the dough liquid.  She had been hoarding a huge pile of tiny yellow millet seeds just for this occasion too.

Then, thinking the bread wasn’t yellow or mellow enough, the Turkish Apricots sparked the thought of a yellow spice used in Turkey – turmeric.   She remembered that Shaio-Ping and used it in conjunction with orange juice in her fine Turmeric and Orange Juice Bread so…..In went a 1/8 tsp of this subtle yet earthy spice to flavor and color the dough even more.   Whew!!

This bread made a fine breakfast with some mango, staw and black berries, a minneola and some fine minneola caramalized marmalade.


Being a nut herself, she eventually realized that there weren’t any in this bread.  Doing the unexpected last in a long line of fruit and nut breads (that we said we would not do again after the last one), without the nuts just isn’t done.   She looked everywhere for a yellow nut but came up paw empty.

I just couldn’t stand the look on her cute little face so I put my designer thinking Joaquin Sombrero on and told her she needed to have something to contrast and compliment all that Mellow Yellow and some green Pistachios were just the ticket, Turkish and just in time for Cinco de Mayo too – a three’fer if there ever was one.

David Snyder may have his famous San Joaquin bread but it doesn’t hold a candle to keeping the hot AZ sun..... de la cabeza.  Lucy wanted a very soft moist crumb feeling this was a much mellower option than a hard dry one, so she took 25 g of semolina and Tang Zhonged it with 100 g of water – instead of the usual 125 g.

Her last wishful addition was to throw in some small pieces of an old yellow kitchen sponge because she knew this dough would end up feeling (and this bake is really all about feeling) way more wet than its published 68% hydration.  I told her, me duele la cabeza, so she stopped pushing the sponge even though she can’t speak a lick of Spanish.

For the rise, we had a rye whole wheat SD leaven left over from last weeks bake that had peaked in the fridge and fell and inch.  We cut it in half and fed it 50 g of semolina and 50 g or water.  It was still plenty potent as it doubled again in 3 hours.  We also wanted a Italian side so we made a biga out of a pinch of ADY and 25 g each of semolina and water.  It too had risen nicely in 3 hours due to the AZ heat in the kitchen at 90 F.

We followed our usual method of late but only did a 2 hour autolyse for these yellow flours and 10 minutes of slap and folds.  Singing the Mellow Yellow song actually made the time fly and coordinating the slaps with the melody was…..soothing and quite mellow.

We did 3 sets of S&F’s 20 minutes apart and incorporated the apricots, pistachios and millet seeds on the very first one.  We covered the dough between the S&F's with my yellow straw Joaquin Sombrero.  By the end of the 3rd set these incorporations were well distributed and seemed happy enough.

After and hour of bulk ferment in our color coordinated, yellow topped, well oiled, plastic box we chucked it into the fridge for a 16 hour retard.  After warming up for an hour in the morning we decided to make a Chacon out of this dough since the original chacon shape came from our Italian Altamura shaping experiments and is probably named for a Spaniard of Turkish decent for all we know.

After 2 hours of final proof on the counter in a trash bag, it looked like Old Betsy needed to be fired up to 500 F with stones top and bottom.  A large size Sylvia’s Steaming Pan with 2 towels and a 12” CI skillet full of lava rocks - ala David Snyder - both filled half full of water supplied the steam for the first 15 minutes of the bake.  It went in over proofed by an inch or so but it was still mellow yellow to the core and not likely to fall if we put some hot spurs to her before she noticed.

Three minutes after the steam bath started, we turned the temperature down to 475 F for the next 12 minutes of steam.  At the 15 minute mark we removed the steam, turned the temperature down to 425 F, convection this time.  After being spun on the stone 120 degrees every 6 minutes, 3 times, it was done,.

 t smelled fantastic and looked splendid for such a mellow heritage…… Chaconing does that to bread nearly every time.  We turned the oven off at 203 F and left it on the stone with oven off to finish and hit 205 F at the 33 minute mark.  We then left the oven door ajar with the bread still on the stone to crisp the skin even more before removing it to a cooling rack after 8 minutes.

A nice salad already made for dinner.

It cracked and browned boldly as a chacon should but spread more than it sprang the usual thing for a wet, over proffed bread.  The basket we used was indented up on the bottom rather than a round bottomed round one, so the bread really has to spring just to get back to flat on top.  

The crumb came out moist, open and soft.  It has the sweetness that semolina brings to bread too.  I have to admit that semolina isn't my favorite flour by far but this bread isn't bad at all.   It made a great tasting sandwich for a late lunch and should sub nicely as a hamburger bun for dinner.  The crust stayed crunchy for a change as it cooled and it tasted as good as it looked.

Picked the first tomato today. Summer is here!



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Weight of apricots is pre re-hydrated weight


The Tang Zhong was 25 g of dough semolina and


100 g of water.The water was not counted in hydration.


The TZ weighed 112 g when it went in the auolyse.



gjfrenchie1's picture

hydration %

Concerning hydration: When one talks about hydration does it represent the amount of water to flour? If you want to to make pizza dough at 60% hydration does that mean you use 275 grams of water for 500 grams of flour? If this is the case how about the olive oil and diastatic malt powder? 

Looking for advice!


mcs's picture

Filled Rolls

Hey Everybody,
I'm in the process of getting ready for the Montana Farm and Ranch Show this weekend, so I thought I would show you some of the goodies I'll be baking for it.  This video, titled 'Filled Rolls' is sort of part 2 to the Potato Rolls video.  Hope you like it!


PS Once again, if you'd like to see some of the other stuff I've been up to, this is the bakery FB page.



CamperJoe's picture

Dough becomes too tough after mixing

Hi, im completely new to baking and i tried this simple recipe 

  • 500 g flour
  • 15 g active dry yeast
  • 90 g sugar
  • 15 g salt
  • 300 ml warm milk

It was for croissants, however i made them the first time and everything went perfectly, i tried them again today and after mixing everything in the bowl...the dough became extremely tough and hard to knead and the dough was not sticky 

the measurements were exactly the same so i am wondering as to why my second try turned out horrible? 

could the way you mix everything or the temperature of the milk have an effect on the mixing? 

gmagmabaking2's picture

We 3 gmas baked "Bacon Cornbread"

We decided, since trying to give my brand new shoulder some time to settle, we would do a non-kneady recipe this week. Barb found a great recipe for Bacon Cornbread... if you want "sweet" cornbread - this is the recipe for you, as it contains white sugar, brown sugar AND honey... and it is sooo good. Check out the ingredients and the process @ ... We will probably, most definitely make this again. 

So the lead in picture is Barb's dinner of ham hocks, green beans and the bacon cornbread... the slice of cornbread is small because this plate is for her diabetic hubby... and he is smiling!!! 

Here is her other picture.  You can see the bacon in there... and the whole corn kernals. Lovely!

Helen made her corn bread to go with some great pinto beans (the bean recipe is Paula Deen's) with chili powder and oregano.


Baked this beauty in her cast iron skillet, like all good Southern cooks do.

Now, that cornbread looks good enough to eat!! I was amazed with this recipe adding 2 1/2 cups of whole kernal corn... that is a lot of corn and a lot of corn flavor... a piece of this is a meal in itself!

I copied Helen and made the same pinto bean recipe and really love these beans...The picture below is just into the oven, with the bacon all on top.

The next picture is what we had for dinner... I made green tomato relish last summer and it went perfectly with this wonderful Bacon Cornbread and bean dinner.

Again, another week of sharing sister time, with great ideas, great recipes, great food and the best sisters on the planet.

Happy Baking from Barb, Helen and Diane (the 3 gmas)


Wingnut's picture

Interesting Read

Interesting read, I think I will make some Baguettes.



vane505's picture

Baking stone for small oven. Airflow?


Im baking quite a lot, and Im thinking of getting a baking stone, although my oven isnt a convection oven and small (40x42cm). Ive found a cordierite stone that has the measurements 33x40x2cm, and Im concerned about air flow as it only leaves about 1cm on each side depth-wise. Would that work well for my oven? 




kevinnoe's picture

Levain a l'ancienne...

Another pic of my first real success with the new method. Fresh ground Whole Wheat and Rye starter married with Pain a l'ancienne techniques to make a wonderful and unique loaf.