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CalBeachBaker

Whole Rye and Whole Wheat - Jeffery Hamelman's Bread

This is Whole Rye and Whole Wheat from Bread - A Baker's Book of Techniques and Recipes by  Jeffery Hamelman

I baked two loaves the other day of this delicious bread.  I have to say that I'm quite happy with the way they turned out. The crumb is mildly dense and has a nice, light tangy flavor. The crust is crisp and has toasty/roasted flavors. This bread will definitely go into the rotation. Recipe and process are below for those interested.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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loaflove

Danish Dough Whisk

Hi there

If I get a danish dough whisk does it mean I never have to stick my hand into bowl to do the initial mixing ever again?  

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Benito

Purple Sweet Potato Black Sesame Sourdough Pumpkin

Well it is almost fall and soon Instagram will be full of pumpkin shaped breads. I have never tried to make one of these so thought it might be fun to do. I also haven’t shaped a boule in sometime so thought I was due.

I still have some mashed purple sweet potato from months ago that I prepared using the instant pot and froze in small portions. I will say that the addition of purple sweet potato to this dough seems to slow down the yeast which surprised me somewhat. As I have been doing lately, I prepare two aliquot jars to watch fermentation, one for rise and the other to measure pH. The gradual fall in pH was as expected so the potato wasn’t affecting LAB at all. However, the rise was extremely slow. I typically see a rise of 40-50% with a pH of around 4.4-4.5, but for this loaf there was only a 20% rise at a pH of 4.4. At that point I did shape this. The dough was left in the banneton until the pH reached 3.9 at which time cold retard was started.

I dipped the string in neutral oil to help make them release more easily after baking. The photos show my process in preparing the dough for final bake. The oven was preheated at 500ºF. Once scored the dough was baked at 450ºF with steam for 20 mins, then the steam was exhausted and the temperature was dropped to 420ºF and the loaf was baked for another 30 mins turning halfway through.

 Overall I’m pleased with the external appearance of this loaf. I can see one spot where the outward spring of the dough tore the crust. I think that could be avoided by tying the string a bit less tight or overproofing the dough a bit more.
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Kooky

Sparse documentation on 100% freshly milled breads... Reason?

Hello,

Having gotten a stone mill at home recently and having found a source for organic wheat berries that cost less than non-organic store bought flour, I tend to have the desire to utilize as much freshly milled flour as I can, for whatever health benefits may be there as well as cost effectiveness.

It seems though, that there is so little documentation about recipes and tricks. Surely breads made with all freshly milled flour are closer to traditional and ancient breads. Most recipes I find use 100g freshly milled flour, or something similar. Is there a reason? Is it simply not possible to make breads we are accustomed to and that can wow us in the modern age utilizing all freshly milled flour? Similar to how ancient beers would not be as desirable as the beers modern techniques can provide (this is a bit derivative since aging beer can be good and this doesn't necessarily correlate to the quality/freshness of ingredients, but it's close enough).

Is this the reason? Or is it uncharted territory still that hasn't gained momentum in the scene? Am I pretty much on my own left to experiment and only find out what is and isn't possible relative to the specific grains that I have and how they react? I've got a 100% freshly milled sourdough loaf about to go in the fridge overnight before baking tomorrow. The sourdough loaf was a YouTube recipe I followed as closely as I could utilizing some freshly milled flour and mostly store bought, lots of differences along the way, I basically winged it the entire way except for the percentages.

I did sift a good bit of the bran out from the majority percentage flour. So far I've done 100% freshly milled blueberry muffins, and 100% freshly milled banana bread. Definitely a lack of a rise on the muffins, probably the best banana bread I've ever had.

Next up I'd like to work on a 100% F.M. buckwheat loaf (maybe 50-100g buckwheat)... If this is possible. If I have to temper my expectations as to how I can utilize fresh flour I will.

 

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gavinc

Honey Spelt Bread

 

This is a Hamelman’s recipe that I’ve baked a few times. It is 75% Whole-Spelt flour that I stone-milled the day before baking. The Pate Fermentee is made 14 hours before mixing. I love the taste of this bread as it is full flavoured and quite different from our everyday Vermont sourdough loaf.

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tttt1010

Bread code liquid starter maintenance

Hi everyone. I am trying out Bread Code's liquid starter because supposedly it favors more lactic acid production over lower hydration starters. However, the video tutorial does not go over when I should feed the starter. With a regular 100% hydration starter I know that I should feed the starter when it doubles to triple in size. With a liquid starter there is no rise. I can see bubbles but nothing else. Has anyone tried this method with success? If not are there alternative methods to favor more lactic acid production? I have heard of people submerging stiff starters in liquid, and that might favor lactic acid more because the water will off the bacteria's access to oxygen, but I've never tried it. Thanks.

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Gadjowheaty

Ersatz Tipo 0 - AP 550 + Type 110?

An interesting mixed rye bread from Brotdoc calls for Tipo 0 flour (though 550 is also fine).  I thought to simply blend in some Central Milling Type 110 with my regular KA AP, preferring a light touch with the additional bran v. using my WW (50:50 hard red winter: spring).  Thoughts?  %'s?

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tajohnson

Ken Forkish Pain de Campagne Frustration

Hi All, 

I have attempted to make Ken Forkish's Pain de Campagne - a total of 8 loaves. Although some are better than others, I have encountered the same issue every time... after proofing overnight, the dough deflates when I remove it from the Banneton. Granted, the dough also sticks to the Banneton, which doesn't help (I'm working on fixing this) but I think the issue is either (1) over proofing or, (2) the no knead recipe results in low gluten formation. I have also had difficulty scoring. It's as though the dough is too soft to score with no "skin" to it. After baking, the interior seems too dense and has a somewhat sticky texture. 

I'm considering using my electric mixer rather than the folding method for my next attempt, just to determine if the issue is (1) or (2). The recipe calls for overnight proofing, literally 10-12 hours in the fridge. However, after just 5-6 hours the poke test results in dough that barley springs back. I know this is usually evidence of over proofing, however I'm not proofing nearly as long as the recipe requires, so I can't image that is the issue. So, I'm learning towards low gluten formation due to no-knead approach. 

Any advice is appreciated! 

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DougWeller

Converting crushed red rye crystal to red rye malt

Is this possible?

Doug

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Itsridiculous

Why so many different techniques to cook in clay pottery?

Hi! I’m new here but have been browsing the forums for about a week now. I’m currently in the process of baking a batard for the first time in a clay pot. It’s a Schlemmertopf, glazed bottom. I came here looking for answers on how the heck to use this thing. No one, and I mean no one has agreed on or used there’s the same. It’s rather frustrating as my batard is on its final rise. There just doesn’t seem to be a concrete answer. 

I soak, I don’t , skip the soak, put it in a cold oven, preheat the oven, don’t drop cold dough in it, be careful of water on hot pot, soak lid but don’t soak bottom, soak bottom but don’t soak lid, soak both, turn upside down to cook in it, soak 10 minutes, soak thirty, let preheat in oven on low adjust to baking temperature after 15 minutes. Good grief! 

I feel more confused than ever. I don’t even want to cook in it at this point. Why isn’t there just “a way” that works, that doesn’t crack the pot, that everyone agrees on? 

I understand different techniques produce different results but this is just too much for my brain at the moment. At this point I plan to do the soak, preheat the oven with both soaked lid and top inside the oven so it gradually reaches temperature and doesn’t get shocked. I prefer (hand burns and all) to drop my (by way of parchment paper) room temperature dough into a preheated pot then put the lid on and cook the bread for about 30 minutes and check it, maybe cook more with lid off. I feel like I’ve gone mad reading all the different techniques to the point of not knowing what to do. 

 

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