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Gpats

Flour used in the starter

Hi guys 

Been away from making breads for a while after getting lazy and letting my starter die, got a new starter to the point its ready to bake with. I notice a lot of people use different flour types in there starter, my last starter was just 100% white bread flour and I've done the same this time, just wondering what the advantages are of using different flours in your starter? 

And secondly am I able to add in new flour to my original white flour starter to change it or would I have to start the process again with a different flour? 

Always been blown away by how knowledgeable and supportive people are in helping newbies like myself out on the fresh loaf so thanks in advance for any help. 

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jazz001

Where to start for a starter?

Tried to fit a pun in the title and didn’t work out.

Anyways, I’ve been artisan baking for just about 2 years and I think it’s finally time I start experimenting with sourdough and natural leavens. I spent a few hours yesterday watching videos and reading articles about sourdough starters and how to create one. But there are so many conflicting ideas and so many different variations on starters and it’s hard for me to decide which one to go with.

TL;DR: i’m trying to start a sourdough starter and i don’t know where to begin. 

If you have any tips or suggestions on where i should start my sourdough adventure or what in the world is a leaven, i would be super grateful. 

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HeiHei29er

Pumpkin Raisin YW/SD

My wife made pumpkin bars this weekend, and she told me to use up the rest of the puree.  So...  New bread experiment time!

I used the recipe from wassisname as a starting point: https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/35177/pumpkin-sourdough

I didn't have any pumpkin seeds handy, so I went with raisins instead and added a little cinnamon and nutmeg.  Recipe below is for two loaves.

My raisin YW using date syrup as part of the refresh has been working very well and didn't disappoint this time either.  I have been combining YW and SD in the levain prep quite a bit this summer with good results.  The YW and mother culture are straight from the refrigerator.  I am seeing a lot of carbon dioxide evolution when I mix the acidic starter with the YW.  The drop in pH causes the dissolved gas to come out of solution.  You can see the layer of carbon dioxide foam just after mixing.  The levain was allowed to ferment at 73-74 deg F for 11 hours.  It over doubled in volume.

 

Raisins were put in the puree and refrigerated overnight to re-hydrate.  Cinnamon and nutmeg added to that as well.  Combined puree with final mix water in the morning and then combined that with the levain before adding in flour.  Dough came together nicely and was not sticky.  5 sets of bowl kneading after autolyse to develop gluten (roughly 60 mins to complete from end of autolyse) and then into the proofing box at 76 deg F.

Dough increased roughly 75% in bulk and then divide and pre-shape.  Shaped in a boule after bench rest and then back into proofing box at 76 deg F.  Moved to Cold Retard after 75 mins because I had to make lunch.  In cold retard for approximately 3 hours.  Pre-heat oven to 450 deg F for 1 hour.  Misted both doughs with water and scored delicately to try and get that "pumpkin" look after oven spring (this is part of where I went wrong but more on that in a minute).  Doughs into my Granite Ware roaster and a few more squirts of water to help with moisture.  450 deg with lid on and 425 deg with if off.  Final internal temp at 205 deg and nothing sticking to probe when removed. 

Not frisbees but didn't really have any spring/bloom, which surprised me based on how well bulk and final proof went.

 

When I removed the doughs from cold retard, I noticed both had large openings in the seam at the center of the dough.  Neither were there when I put them in the banneton.  I checked because I've had a few boules do that too me lately when I tried to proof them seam side down for a natural bloom.  I wasn't too worried about it because both of these would be seam side down for the bake.  However, when I sliced the loaf, I think I see why that decision, combined with the light scoring, killed any oven spring.  It looks like all my gases went down instead of trying to go up through the scoring.  Lesson learned!  I do need to figure out what I'm doing wrong with my boule shaping though...  Didn't get pictures of the second loaf as I gave it to a friend, but it had the same hole in the center after final proof and the same profile and lack of spring after baking.

 

Flavor and texture on the bread were very nice.  Loaf was quite heavy, and it probably could have baked another 5-10 minutes.  Toasted it with some butter and raspberry jam.  Good stuff!

 

 

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floureverywhere

Ideal temperature for refreshing/maintaining starter (not in fridge)

With the changing of the seasons, and with my purchase of a Brod & Taylor Proofer, I am thinking about what the ideal temperature is to maintain and refresh a starter (out of the fridge, and frequently used).  I've gathered a number of different sources for what is considered ideal, and the range is so great that I feel frustrated!  Here is a sample of what information I have gathered:

King Arthur - first reference - 74-78 F

King Arthur - second reference - 70 F

SFBI - 77 F

Local Baker who I admire - 65 - 70 F

A post on The Fresh Loaf - 72 - 80 F

Tartine book 65 - 75 F

 

Even if I take out the outlier temperatures, that is still a range from 70 - 78.  That's a pretty big range, in my opinion.  And then again, there is the ubiquitous "room temperature."

Of course there are other factors, but I am really trying to hone in on a target temperature.  

Anyone have thoughts on the matter?

 

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JonJ

Swiss farmhouse with cranberry and pecan

Am still loving the yeast water! This was a repeat of Hamelman's "Swiss Farmhouse" from the community bake - used the same formula but with some minor tweaks. Said tweaks being that I used apple yeast water (fed using Granny Smith apples, originally started as a raisin yeast water); and replaced the raisins and walnuts by cranberries and pecans; the cranberries were soaked in boiled water for 20 minutes and so were slightly more hydrated than the raisins usually are.

The interesting thing about using the apple yeast water this time is that build 1 and build 2 both had some lovely apple odours to them, but as usual with the yeast waters I can't taste it in the final bread.

The bread flour that I used ("Champagne Valley") needed fairly long in the mixer before the mixer ran clean. It ended up needing 20 minutes before I was satisfied, and perhaps next time I use this brand of flour I'll try it with an autolyse beforehand as that felt like a long time. But, the long mix gave a nicely developed gluten, and I've never had the experience of slicing into a bread and thinking the interior looked like the interior of a croissant until this one.

To be fair "work meetings" meant I was distracted, so perhaps I let the fermentation run longer than usual too, but that isn't such a bad thing now, is it? So this bread had 2 hours of bulk fermentation before shaping without any coil folds, followed by 2 hours of final proof before it was baked without a cold retard. The aliquot jar at the time of baking showed a volume increase of about 225%, think this is a first for me without over proofing!

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mwilson

New paper on panettone

Published earlier this year. Happened to read it, thought it was worth sharing.

https://doi.org/10.3390/microorganisms9051093

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HeiHei29er

Maple Butter Buckwheat Loaf

It's been a busy summer and haven't had time to post much.  Have still been baking though.  Have tried a number of different breads, but I keep coming back to my stand-by.  Buckwheat and oat.  

I've done numerous variants, but this is one of my favorites.  I think the maple and toasted buckwheat make a nice combination.

This recipe uses only yeast water but could also be done with a poolish using ADY.  Each variant I make follows the same basic method.  Because this dough spreads so easily, I score it with long diagonals leaving a large strap intact to hold the sides together. 

Crumb shot tomorrow.

Hope everyone had a great summer and look forward to reading your posts as summer winds down and I get some time to post again!



EDIT: Crumb added…

 

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CalBeachBaker

White-Wheat Blend (Ode to Bourdon) from Tartine - Book No. 3 by Chad Robertson

Since the demise of my KA mixer and indecision on a replacement. I thought I'd experiment with hand mixing.

This bake is the White-Wheat Blend (Ode to Bourdon) from Tartine - Book No. 3 by Chad Robertson with a couple of substitutions.

Tasting: The crumb has a slight sweetness due to the white wheat fermentation discussed in the book along with slight yogurt undertones. The crust has a resinous roasted coffeeish taste that after a few hours of rest is nice and crunchy.  In terms of improvement, I think I would use a little less steam  delivered via ice cubes in the cloche. All in all, not a bad bake for the first effort with this recipe.

Recipe and process are below for those interested.

 

 

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roboboticus

Starter has higher peak when fed at a lower ratio

When I feed my starter at a 1:1:1 (starter:flour:water) ratio, it peaks at around triple its original volume.

When I feed it at higher ratios, e.g. 1:5:5, it peaks closer to double the original volume.

Any idea why that would be the case?

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Yeast_Mode

Cascade Pan Bread

When I was a kid in the 80s my mom used to make whole wheat bread once a week. She would send my brother and me to school with sandwiches made with sprouts, garbanzo beans and fresh whole wheat bread. We used to stare at the kids with bologna and white bread sandwiches in envy. As an adult I'm grateful she taught me the value of healthy eating. I tried getting into bread baking a few times, but it wasn't until a few years ago that I started to have some success. I will always have a soft spot for whole wheat pan bread, and am happy to start having some success with this type of bread.

I named this bread after the Cascade mountains. The flour I use for this bread comes from Bluebird Grain Farms in Methow Valley in Northern Washington state. I really enjoy working with this flour. It feels different than other whole wheat flours that I've worked with. They do CSAs and I would encourage folks to give them a try. (I am not affiliated with this company, I'm just a big fan.)

For this bread I used a combination of red and white wheat.

Levain:

  • 30 g water
  • 20 g Bluebird red whole wheat
  • 10 g Bluebird white whole wheat
  • 10 g starter

Dough:

  • 482 g Bluebird red whole wheat
  • 241 g Bluebird white whole wheat
  • 602 g water
  • 60 g levain
  • 15 g salt

Process:

  • Built the levain at 8:00 am
  • Started the autolyse at 11:30 am
  • Added the levain and salt at 12:00 pm
  • FDT was 75 degrees Fahrenheit
  • Did four sets of stretch and folds in 30 minute intervals.
  • Proofed in the oven with the oven light on. Kept the dough at the opposite corner of the oven light so it wouldn't get too warm.
  • Ended bulk fermentation at 3:30
  • Gave the dough 15 minutes of bench rest
  • Shaped the dough and put it into a USA pan Pullman pan
  • Second proof lasted until 9:15. You have to be careful with this bread. It easily overproofs. The second proof was done in the oven with the door ajar and the light on. I used a thermometer gun to make sure it wasn't getting to warm. The surface temperature of the dough did not get above 78 degrees Fahrenheit.
  • Baked at 375 degrees Fahrenheit for 55 minutes. The temperature was about 190 degrees Fahrenheit.

This bread always has a wonderful flavor. That is one of my favorite things about pan bread. The fails still taste really good and make great toast and sandwiches. I try to make sure and pull it from the oven before the temperature gets to high. The crust and crumb seem to get tough and chewy if you let it get too far above 200 degrees Fahrenheit. When this bread is good, the crumb is nice and tender, and the crust has a nice subtle crunch when it comes out of the toaster. A slice of this bread tastes wonderful without being toasted and smothered with a generous slab of butter. (I love the tandsmor life!)

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